Asus 295 GTX "No Longer Available"

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Checked my wish list today and noticed that newegg has discontinued carrying the 295GTX saying that the product is "no longer available". Newegg know something we don't know ?

Seems odd that newegg would discontinue carrying a current major product. The $499 price will probbaly be hard to match, best I have seen elsewhere is $533.
 
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My experience with early release cards has not been favorable nor has my experience w/ ATI Tech Support. It's kinda like the old Microsoft axiom .... it's still a beta until SP3. Not interested in wrestling with the puter work arounds while they try and get it right with the next round of driver updates. I figure by 2010, things will all settle out .
 
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1. A 295 is a lot faster than the 4870, even faster than two 4870 X2's in crossfire

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=711&pageid=8
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=711&pageid=15

Overclocking the CPU makes the differences even greater.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=711&pageid=17

2. The 4870 doesn't do PhysX which is part of about 150 game offerings.

3. The 295 does this while being much quieter and running 27 degrees C lower in temp under load. That's gotta be good for one's entire system as a whole.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=711&pageid=22
 
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Lol why didn't you bring up the price?
 
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Because price did not enter into my decision making process since my budget for a GFX card was $500 +/-.

Nor was it mentioned in "Why buy a 295 when you could buy a 4870?? "

Might as well have said, why buy an i7 when you could get a CPU from AMD ?


 
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Not buying now. Building a machine now and installing the Windows 7 trial I have only to have to reinstall again in a month is more painful than I can bear.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270740-31-college-bound-money-spend

I'm waiting for Win7's official release. Though ATI cards / AMD chips never interested me, I am hoping their release does prompt nVidia to dropping prices. Still, I have my doubts about a release in 4 days.
 
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Which 150 games are these? I think I heard of only one with significant physx (what was that, Mirrors Edge or something?)

And the i7/AMD comparo is a little off, since the ATI cards will be faster (and I think we all agree the i7 is faster than AMD processors).
 
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I was just asking why you would buy an overpriced card.
 
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Here's a short list:

* 2 Days to Vegas
* Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour
* Age of Empires III (Mac version)
* Alpha Prime
* APB
* Army of Two
* Auto Assault
* Batman: Arkham Asylum
* Backbreaker
* B.A.S.E. Jumping
* Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon
* Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara
* Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport
* Beowulf: The Game
* Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War
* Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
* Captain Blood
* CellFactor: Combat Training
* CellFactor: Revolution
* City of Villains
* Crazy Machines 2
* Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason
* Dark Physics
* Darkest of Days
* Desert Diner
* Dragon Age: Origins
* Dragonshard
* Dusk 12
* Empire Above All
* Empire Earth III
* Entropia Universe
* Fallen Earth
* Frontlines: Fuel of War
* Fury
* Gears of War
* Gears of War 2
* Race Driver: Grid
* Gluk'Oza: Action
* GooBall
* Gothic 3
* Gunship Apocalypse
* Heavy Rain
* Helldorado: Conspiracy
* Hero's Journey
* Hour of Victory
* Huxley
* iFluid
* Infernal
* Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power
* Joint Task Force
* Kran Simulator 2009
* Kuma\War
* Magic Ball 3
* Mass Effect
* Medal of Honor: Airborne
* Metro 2033
* Mirror's Edge
* Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
* Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia
* Monster Truck Maniax
* Myst Online: Uru Live
* Nights: Journey of Dreams
* Nurien
* Open Fire
* Open Fire Gold)
* Paragraph 78
* Pirates of the Burning Sea
* Prince of Persia
* PT Boats: Knights of the Sea
* Rail Simulator
* Red Steel
* Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends
* Robert Ludlum's The Bourne Conspiracy
* Roboblitz
* Sacred 2
* Shadowgrounds: Survivor
* Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened
* Showdown: Scorpion
* Silverfall
* Sovereign Symphony
* Sonic and the Black Knight
* Sonic and the Secret Rings
* Speedball 2
* Stoked
* Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien
* Switchball
* Tension
* Trine
* The Hunt
* The Stalin Subway
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
* Tortuga: Two Treasures
* Two Worlds
* Ultra Tubes
* Unreal Tournament 3
* Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod
* Valkyria Chronicles
* Velvet Assassin
* Warfare
* Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction
* W.E.L.L. Online
* Winterheart's Guild
* WorldShift

And the i7/AMD comparo is a little off, since the ATI cards will be faster (and I think we all agree the i7 is faster than AMD processors).
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The problem with "will be" is that when it arrives, there's a new "will be". When the 58xx series comes out there "will be" something out later that is faster than that. We have an old PC in the house circa 1985... it has an 8088 chip which blew away the then "standard" 8086 of its day. Since then, technology always leapfrogs itself and if you are going to worry about "will be" you will never buy anything.

There's probably some 14 year old kid that someday will beat Usain Bolt's record in the 100m dash, but like the i7 and the 295GTX, ....... today, Bolt is the fastest.

When the top of the line 58xx comes out, and I doubt it will be Wednesday, four things are guaranteed:

1. The dethroned former king of the hill will drop significantly in price.
2. The top of the line 58xx will cost more than the $499 for today's GTX (Several sites are quoting $599 for the top 58xx)
3. The drivers and even hardware will go thru several revisions, taking at least 4-6 months to stabilize and 6-12 to "top out".
4. You won't be talking about how overpriced the 58xx is.

Some people don't mind the frustrations of being 1st on the block to have the new thing but they call it the "bleeding edge" for a reason. I don't want to be one of those people stuck with the GFX equivalent of the i7's C0 stepping or Windows Vista

 
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The problem in your logic is that after the 5 series, it will be (for all we know at least) months before new cards. Yes a 295 is the fastest right now, but it loses the price/performance war. Anyways I just have some problems with your post... Your four guarantees are pretty flawed in my opinion....

1. It will probably drop in price. No one knows how much it will drop though, so it's not safe to assume that it will be significant.
2. Again, it's a probably. Your also assuming that only the top of the line 5 series is going to be better than the 295. At least that would explain why you picked it out.
3. Maybe. Or maybe they will be on top of things and it will take a month.
4. Haha. I always talk about how overpriced everything that's new/top of the line is.

My point is that your so called 'guarantees' are based on assumptions. Sure, they are probable, but that's not the same as guaranteed.

You also seem way to locked into PhysX. I wouldn't be surprised to see PhysX slowly die away anyways. Maybe get a little Havok going... StarCraft 2 anyone? Anyways I consider myself a fairly avid gamer and I've played 2 games on that list... Point in case, PhysX is not a reason to buy nvidia.

But...it all is obviously your decision. If you want to waste money, who am I to stop you?
 
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I don't buy "new cards" .... i like being 6 months behind the bleeding edge. I like not being stuck w/ a 920 w/ C0 stepping. I like never having had a production machine w/ Vista on it. I like not having to wrestle w/ immature drivers and "Version A" hardware. I also know I don't want cards in my box like the 4870x2 that hit 98 degrees C. If, as you say, nVidia's new cards do come out in 6 months, that makes the ATI 58xx more attractive to me as by then, all the preceding issues are resolved.

Price is proportional to where you sit in the king of the hill game. If the 58xx is faster than the 295, then the 295 has to be sold cheaper than the 58xx.....otherwise none sell. You would think previous experience would hold people back from buying stuff "day 1" but it doesn't. People are too willing to pay big $$ so they can update their signatures w/ their new benchmarks scores. So the guy who gets knocked off the top of the pile has to over compensate pricing his product even lower than where it would otherwise be based upon "fair market value". If the 58xx sets the mark, and the 295 can hit say 85% of that mark, then nVidia simply can't sell the thing for 58xx's price x 85%. I love taking advantage of that, just like I like paying $280 for a 920 (w/ D0 stepping cause I didn't "rush out to buy") is better than paying $999 for the top of the line Intel chip.

Yep, I love all the people who have the need to post their new benchmark scores case they suffer the cuts being on the bleeding edge when new stuff comes out. They are the push behind the hardware and driver upgrades that I will never have to deal with.

Don't come to my door pushing "the latest and greatest thing".....when I buy it, it will be a better product, cost 2/3 or less in price and I'll have a lot less gray hairs over the experience.

As for the PhysX don't count ....it's safe to say that more games are using PhysX (104) than DX10 (50) so by that argument, how important can DX11 be ?

This fanboi stuff is silly, both companies have been successful successfully knocking each other of the top of the hill repeatedly over the years. The current bias is immediately apparent when one states that DX11 is critical and PhysX has no meaning. The truth is, the reverse statement is just as valid as the original .... and by that I mean very little validity. The biggest impact of DX10 has been that it boosted Vista sales by people who just needed to play Halo 3.

These are things I think most people will accept.

1. ATI and nVidia have been leap frogging each other for years, there's no reason to think this will change anytime soon.
2. Today, ATI has, or will have DX11, nVidia has PhysX, each will be important to one segment of the market.
3. Version A hardware / Driver 1 drivers will always be trumped by Version F and Driver 6.
4. ATI must lick the heat problem in its next generation of cards or that characteristic alone will lose them some customers.
 
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Problem is, having 1000mm of core vs 330mm is going to: cause immense power usage disparity
Cost nVidia bucketsfull of dosh just to make them compare to the 5870
They have all that ram, all that bus and everything else thats more expensive, theyll literrally quit selling them, if all they can get is 275$ for em
 
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I meant games where Physx actually makes a difference, not where Havok would have done fine. I think that is somewhere in the single digits.

And the last ATI day of release card I bought was the 4850. It was not overpriced at the time, had good enough drivers, and is still going strong a year plus later. Maybe it is just NVidia.
 
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Well to take it out of the realm of personal experience. Let's look at a web site and see how many there were. The Asus site for example has 5 driver versions for their GTX 295 card and 9 for the 4870x2 but if one doesn't take off the fanboi hat, they will miss the point.

I am not saying that one or the other is better / worse than the other because they have 5 or 9. I'm saying that when I buy and install ANY card, I don't want to be installing the only ONE on the web site. I don't want an i7 w/ C0 stepping, I don't want to be owning a GTX 260, when the 295 comes out and ..... I simply don't want a vid card on firmware "version A" and "driver 1.00"

The fact that the GTX 295 is out and mature [read at version 5 of the driver] or 4870x2 [read version 9 of the driver] makes it more attractive to me....because the 58xx is at driver version 1 and hardware version A. Let's say the new nVidia cards come out on January 01 .... at that time the 58xx starts looking more attractive and the new nVidia's (released January 01) might garner my attention come June or so.

Price is the other factor ...... new crap costs way more than it should and it makes no sense. It's like everyone knows that after you drive out of the dealers driveway, the value of the car drops in the toilet. Then you'll notice that they drive around for 3 months w/ the purchase sticker still stuck to their windows.

Graphical signature images w/ benchmark scores are the equivalent of that new car sticker and personally, I don't think it's worth the cost.
 
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Do you realize thereve been bogus reports for driver issues by crazed nVidia fans?
Ive made it a point to show up occasionally in nVidia driver failure threads just to point out it happens to both sides. Ive seen it all, and counting that all, and owning both, I consider them equally good and bad, depends on the driver.
Now, if youre starting off with similar performance, its only bound to get better, and if the price is still high for a particular model, but still cheaper than the competitor, why pay more? And feel good knowing that improvements are going to come, cause after 6 or so driver releases, most of the low hanging fruit has been picked, and the new one will just keep getting better, while the older one has seen its best days go by
 
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I mostly agree on your point of not buying new tech on release day, but I have never had all these driver problems you talk about
 
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