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That evidence points towards God not having created man or the universe. If God did,'t do that then there is no point in him, therefore he is just a figment of imagination for people who can't be bothered to look for logical answers for questions.
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Religion is not a scientific organization. it is a based community where those of the same faith can come together and be in communion with each other. Saying 'religion' can't prove anything is correct, but there are these of faith. quit using the religion card and try to reason with faith, which is by the very nature of humans to understand a supernatural being. Could also explain our very nature created to get closer to a god.
Religion is flawed..it is run by man. I am Christian, but i do not say I am religious. People misunderstand faith on so many ways. Many think faith makes you blind to the understanding of the physical universe...actually for me, it is because of God I want to know more of the universe and what he as done so, science is a way to see the works of God.
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I read Deepack's book "Mohommad" and it was very interesting ... not in the same category as Siddhartha though.
I found a well but after carrying back a bucket of water I thought ... prophet just isn't me ... so I thought I'd skip that bit go straight to deity ... minor at the moment of course.
I spent some time today training my army of ants ... they are most unrully and do not respond well to telepathic direction.
Ideas ??
I found a well but after carrying back a bucket of water I thought ... prophet just isn't me ... so I thought I'd skip that bit go straight to deity ... minor at the moment of course.
I spent some time today training my army of ants ... they are most unrully and do not respond well to telepathic direction.
Ideas ??
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The ants go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching one by one,
The little one stops to suck his thumb
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching two by two, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching two by two, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching two by two,
The little one stops to tie his shoe
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching three by three, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching three by three, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching three by three,
The little one stops to climb a tree
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching four by four, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching four by four, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching four by four,
The little one stops to shut the door
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching five by five, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching five by five, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching five by five,
The little one stops to take a dive
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching six by six, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching six by six, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching six by six,
The little one stops to pick up sticks
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching seven by seven,
The little one stops to pray to heaven
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching eight by eight,
The little one stops to shut the gate
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching nine by nine,
The little one stops to check the time
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching ten by ten,
The little one stops to say "THE END"
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching one by one,
The little one stops to suck his thumb
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching two by two, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching two by two, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching two by two,
The little one stops to tie his shoe
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching three by three, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching three by three, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching three by three,
The little one stops to climb a tree
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching four by four, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching four by four, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching four by four,
The little one stops to shut the door
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching five by five, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching five by five, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching five by five,
The little one stops to take a dive
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching six by six, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching six by six, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching six by six,
The little one stops to pick up sticks
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching seven by seven,
The little one stops to pray to heaven
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching eight by eight,
The little one stops to shut the gate
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching nine by nine,
The little one stops to check the time
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
The ants go marching ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah
The ants go marching ten by ten,
The little one stops to say "THE END"
And they all go marching down to the ground
To get out of the rain, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
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Since God doesnt exist within what we know, which is everything Hes created, He exists in heaven, which is timeless, cant be broken, doesnt wear out and is more real than here.
Now, since God from a Christians perspective has given us the free will to do as we will, we are also higher than the angels, who do not have this, since theyre in the presence of God.
Having free will then comes down to this, do we do what we were created for, which is pretty well summed up with the golden rule, or, do unto others, that which youd have them do to you, when say you shoot someone, is it that God has no feelings?
When a father sees his son kill someone, is it his fault? Is he remorseless?
If you read the Christian bible, it says therell come a time, when those who can bring fire from the sky, when theres armies from the east numbering 200 million, when Israel exists, when everyones all about partying, and has no time for God, then yes, He will say enough is enough.
When children disdain their parents, when some exist as if they have no love in them at all, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOq5X0JlU3I, when theres one after another anti Christs, James Jones, the temple peoples, Waco etc, when knowledge will increase (most knowledge we use today was created with the onset of electricity) vs covered wagons, sheep and horses.
When theres those saying, spare the oil and the vine, I could go on, but yes He will come, and not like a lamb, but like a lion
Now, since God from a Christians perspective has given us the free will to do as we will, we are also higher than the angels, who do not have this, since theyre in the presence of God.
Having free will then comes down to this, do we do what we were created for, which is pretty well summed up with the golden rule, or, do unto others, that which youd have them do to you, when say you shoot someone, is it that God has no feelings?
When a father sees his son kill someone, is it his fault? Is he remorseless?
If you read the Christian bible, it says therell come a time, when those who can bring fire from the sky, when theres armies from the east numbering 200 million, when Israel exists, when everyones all about partying, and has no time for God, then yes, He will say enough is enough.
When children disdain their parents, when some exist as if they have no love in them at all, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOq5X0JlU3I, when theres one after another anti Christs, James Jones, the temple peoples, Waco etc, when knowledge will increase (most knowledge we use today was created with the onset of electricity) vs covered wagons, sheep and horses.
When theres those saying, spare the oil and the vine, I could go on, but yes He will come, and not like a lamb, but like a lion
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Just when humanity grows up--when we're able to stand on our own two feet intellectually and emotionally--God will end it all? Sounds like the jealous, angry, emotionally unstable Yahweh of the Old Testament.
(I should say I'm going for optimism here. Pesimism would say if humanity ever falls that low we'll destroy ourselves, no God necessary--which is really the end game Christianity has in mind.)
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No, He comes before we destroy it all.
It centers around Israel, as its attacked, by its neighbors, while the one who protects is taken out of the way.
Could be argued that Israel after 2000 years is just a coicidence, or that Israels neighbors neednt really hate and despise them.
And isnt this the answer as to why He comes back?
When we have so much, are capable of even more, we war, we hate, we destroy, and mostly in His name?
It centers around Israel, as its attacked, by its neighbors, while the one who protects is taken out of the way.
Could be argued that Israel after 2000 years is just a coicidence, or that Israels neighbors neednt really hate and despise them.
And isnt this the answer as to why He comes back?
When we have so much, are capable of even more, we war, we hate, we destroy, and mostly in His name?
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Atheist here. I'm damn sure there is no sentient 'higher power' watching over our daily lives. I'm glad that there isn't, how creepy would that be? We are intelligent animals. We have language, science, mathematics, music, awe, wonder, a sense of achievement - when living in a wholesome way. We advance the efforts of those that have lived before us. Standing on the shoulders of our fore-fathers as it were. To help steer us in a righteous way, we invent religions of various kinds. I'm not against religion, but I do see right through it. It is man that created God. It is man that then levers off religion to do the most horrendous horrors in the name of that religion. Sad. Mind you, I admire the teachings of Jesus (love one another as you would love to be loved yourself), he really was a brilliant soul. His Father in Heaven however... - clearly an invention by Jesus for self-promotion. There is a quote that I think is accurate... "Without religion, good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things; but it takes religion to make good people do bad things."
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I think what JDJ is saying is that we will get to a point where everything we have been searching for has overwhelmed us, we fall on our own understandings and will eventually destroy the earth and its inhabitant.
Now, God won't be mad because we have found out a lot about our universe as much as be saddened that his children have disregarded him. If your parents ave you a lot, would you disown them?
Now, God won't be mad because we have found out a lot about our universe as much as be saddened that his children have disregarded him. If your parents ave you a lot, would you disown them?
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I think the creepy part is something alot of people feel.
I like to say you can never get past the Judge, no matter how good it is here.
You can be evil and lucky, you can look good, and still be bad, but no one gets one by the Judge.
If thats creepy, to many, thats just the way it is
This isnt a try at conversion here, nor is it that Im closer or know more etc.
Im happy with where Im at, even with the knowledge God is watching, not in a contradictorial sort of way, but again, to me, its just the way it is.
It isnt weird to see Gods hands in the world around us to me, its very pleasing.
He said those who believe would be free, and so it is
I like to say you can never get past the Judge, no matter how good it is here.
You can be evil and lucky, you can look good, and still be bad, but no one gets one by the Judge.
If thats creepy, to many, thats just the way it is
This isnt a try at conversion here, nor is it that Im closer or know more etc.
Im happy with where Im at, even with the knowledge God is watching, not in a contradictorial sort of way, but again, to me, its just the way it is.
It isnt weird to see Gods hands in the world around us to me, its very pleasing.
He said those who believe would be free, and so it is
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Good read
In the circumstances layed out in your link, I basically allow only 1 skeptical belief
My trouble is, as I read more of this belief, it does fit, tho I remain skeptical about these things
Why would I do that?
Because the truth is that important to me
It completely humbles me when someone takes my words too closely
I tend to back away
Again, why would I do this?
This is my relationship with God, not anyone elses
We are all different, we all have differing needs/desires
Like anything else, if you hand a completed oceed system say, to someone whos never oceed, or is new to being an enthusiast, their experience is a wow factor surely, but only one that you created, not them themselves
In my belief, I dont feel the need to convert anyone, and again, I am somewhat reluctant to share them, as many a time, Ive seen people go astray, not just from what Ive said or told them, but they also become enamored with what others also have to say, while never truly trying it out themselves, and like I said, I do hold onto one unprovable scenario for my beliefs, but all other things have to be challenged, just in order for that one unprovable thing to exist as proofs, or truth
If I dont challenged my belief, then it cant truly hold water
This in itself again, isnt for anyone else but me, its that important to me
Ive found most people have turned away from a belief system mainly because what theyve seen from others is disappointing somewheres down the road, and doesnt fit, or hold water
To adopt what others say as in a life changing epiphany, causes more harm than good
You dont feed a baby solid foods and expect it to live
My belief allows for God to show me the way, in my own time, as needed
I cant even say that this is for everyone, but its worked for me
So, in the end, as Im skeptical about an easy approach going thru or living my belief, so too am I skeptical of those that completely ignore such things, and I have spent some time being this way, and challenging things, both pro and con, as science brings in new wrinkles of what I believe, and many a time, those wrinkles are smoothed out either by a better understanding of my beliefs, or to find that these "facts" are often a set of skepticism created by those with no faith system against a faith system, where often, these "facts" fail, and can be explained away as bad science, since it was driven not by truth, but to simply "prove" something
In the circumstances layed out in your link, I basically allow only 1 skeptical belief
My trouble is, as I read more of this belief, it does fit, tho I remain skeptical about these things
Why would I do that?
Because the truth is that important to me
It completely humbles me when someone takes my words too closely
I tend to back away
Again, why would I do this?
This is my relationship with God, not anyone elses
We are all different, we all have differing needs/desires
Like anything else, if you hand a completed oceed system say, to someone whos never oceed, or is new to being an enthusiast, their experience is a wow factor surely, but only one that you created, not them themselves
In my belief, I dont feel the need to convert anyone, and again, I am somewhat reluctant to share them, as many a time, Ive seen people go astray, not just from what Ive said or told them, but they also become enamored with what others also have to say, while never truly trying it out themselves, and like I said, I do hold onto one unprovable scenario for my beliefs, but all other things have to be challenged, just in order for that one unprovable thing to exist as proofs, or truth
If I dont challenged my belief, then it cant truly hold water
This in itself again, isnt for anyone else but me, its that important to me
Ive found most people have turned away from a belief system mainly because what theyve seen from others is disappointing somewheres down the road, and doesnt fit, or hold water
To adopt what others say as in a life changing epiphany, causes more harm than good
You dont feed a baby solid foods and expect it to live
My belief allows for God to show me the way, in my own time, as needed
I cant even say that this is for everyone, but its worked for me
So, in the end, as Im skeptical about an easy approach going thru or living my belief, so too am I skeptical of those that completely ignore such things, and I have spent some time being this way, and challenging things, both pro and con, as science brings in new wrinkles of what I believe, and many a time, those wrinkles are smoothed out either by a better understanding of my beliefs, or to find that these "facts" are often a set of skepticism created by those with no faith system against a faith system, where often, these "facts" fail, and can be explained away as bad science, since it was driven not by truth, but to simply "prove" something
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Oh I agree completely, and very rarely get into discussions about beliefs(anymore at least as I have lost too many friends over simple ideologies.) As an athiest, it doesnt really behoove me to try to "convert" someone away from religion/faith/etc. As an athiest I fundamentally disregard any belief in supernatural/metaphysical/spiritual/religious contexts, so it matters not in what you believe. There will simply be nothing afterwards anyways. So there you have it. 
Although I do have issues with people failing to be logical and/or reject logic to "support" their belief system, thats just asinine and proves nothing but their ignorance/intolerance/etc. on stuff.
Cheers.
Although I do have issues with people failing to be logical and/or reject logic to "support" their belief system, thats just asinine and proves nothing but their ignorance/intolerance/etc. on stuff.
Cheers.
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Exactly, since it is a relationship, how do you explain that?
Oh sure, some can relate to certain things, but at what level? At what point do differing paths change such understandings, and what merit it deserve in each of us?
If you wanna play the blues, you hafta pay your dues heheh
Oh sure, some can relate to certain things, but at what level? At what point do differing paths change such understandings, and what merit it deserve in each of us?
If you wanna play the blues, you hafta pay your dues heheh
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TOP QUOTE mrface ... brilliant:
Why does it matter if we believe absurd things?
It can cause no great harm. …
He could not be more wrong. It can, it has, and it does. The harm that the absurd beliefs of religious faiths have done to humanity is so vast and terrible as to be beyond calculation. To pick only the most obvious examples: consider the long darkness Christianity brought down on Europe after it became the state religion of the Roman empire; the millenia of religious wars; the relentless persecutions by the Inquisition and the equally cruel heresy-sniffing of the Protestant sects; the suppression of scientific discovery by the Catholic Church; the savage advances of Islam, for the most part successful, from the time of its inception to the present.
Bullshit beliefs called religion have soaked the earth with human blood.
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Id argue that a dying empire used it for its political means, which is not what its about.
So, seperating man from God in this, again, it was mans free will that did the pooch
Our forwefathers knew this, and I laugh when some make silly claims as to its not being carried in every thought of its conception.
Church and state are to be seperated simply because it stymies the real potential towards a walk with God in your personal life, as again, our forefathers knew
So, seperating man from God in this, again, it was mans free will that did the pooch
Our forwefathers knew this, and I laugh when some make silly claims as to its not being carried in every thought of its conception.
Church and state are to be seperated simply because it stymies the real potential towards a walk with God in your personal life, as again, our forefathers knew
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IMO, it comes down to humans being sentient beings. We are free to do/believe what we want to believe (or disbelieve). However, there are moral complications with that. IE, be yourself as long as you dont adversely affect someone elses belief system, health, belongings, etc.
There should be no issue with one bringing there views up to someone as long as you dont negatively pressure them into a situation that could be harmful to their physical health, mental health,etc. That is morally wrong. We as concious, free thinking beings should be able to have certain dialogues without the need of spewing venom, verbally attacking, and physical attacking someone else. Unfortunately from my experience, most religions promote this type of thing. I honestly believe that being a religious person is a good quality but being a fundamentalist is a negative trait. (See: Westboro Baptist church, Islamist radicals, Christian crusades et. al.)
To answer your question it IS exactly relationship wise. If you feel the need to have a relationship with a creator/greater being and it improves you as a person and decreases your negative traits(utilitarianism, if you will) GO FOR IT! And if you feel prudent to suggest to someone the same path, go for it. However, dont be pushy because that is not fair. Conversely, if you are comfortable and a generally moral person without the need for a higher power, then go for it as well(under the same conditions of course)
There should be no issue with one bringing there views up to someone as long as you dont negatively pressure them into a situation that could be harmful to their physical health, mental health,etc. That is morally wrong. We as concious, free thinking beings should be able to have certain dialogues without the need of spewing venom, verbally attacking, and physical attacking someone else. Unfortunately from my experience, most religions promote this type of thing. I honestly believe that being a religious person is a good quality but being a fundamentalist is a negative trait. (See: Westboro Baptist church, Islamist radicals, Christian crusades et. al.)
To answer your question it IS exactly relationship wise. If you feel the need to have a relationship with a creator/greater being and it improves you as a person and decreases your negative traits(utilitarianism, if you will) GO FOR IT! And if you feel prudent to suggest to someone the same path, go for it. However, dont be pushy because that is not fair. Conversely, if you are comfortable and a generally moral person without the need for a higher power, then go for it as well(under the same conditions of course)
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So true
My conviction then is truly not in my hands but His, because we all know any father loves his children, and I cant make that leap of discovery for someone else
My conviction then is truly not in my hands but His, because we all know any father loves his children, and I cant make that leap of discovery for someone else
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The fundamental question of creation:
Was rey with God videotaping it all?
Stay tuned for the YouTube premier.
We will find out how we got here: By either a total system collapse of the universe, or the return of Christ himself.
Was rey with God videotaping it all?
Stay tuned for the YouTube premier.
We will find out how we got here: By either a total system collapse of the universe, or the return of Christ himself.
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