Athlon XP 2800+ OR Intel P 2.8 800Mhz

[SoDNighthawk]

Chip Death pull your head out of your ass man no one said anything about a Ram chip running at 166 MHz the damn computer was using Kingston DDR P.C 2700 at a minimum setting of 333 MHz.
The 2 AMD systems both ran the same type of RAM @ 333 MHz and work perfectly!! After 2 weeks of <[-peep-] Around> with the piece of crap 3.0 GHz Intel chip we gave up on it doing anything right in an online game. YES we even overclocked it and the ram up to 400 MHz still ran like <[-peep-]>.
The fact that Intel CPU's don't even seem to work right in the first place for graphics applications and all you INTEL boys feel the need to overclock every INTEL CPU made as soon as you plug the damn thing in.... only proves they run like [-peep-] for graphics applications you are all obsessed with overclocking.

Aside from that said the.... AMD CPU's posted the fastest computer award in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Overclocked. That was only in front of 200 and 50 thousand geeks to see it happen. All this even before the 64's get a good testing. Intel is sucked out the knot hole backwards for now, the new 64 CPU eats anything they have right out of the packaging that is even after you overclock an Intel 3.0 it still cant get near the new AMD CPU's.

If you want to fly MS word at light speed use Intel!! If you want to fly games at transwarp light speed use AMD.

Oh you can bite me now you are not worthy and an ass to boot!!

»§øЫÑighthåwk™ Don't get mad at the player get mad at the game. Hackers drool and Skill's rule.

 

[shadus]

> It's pretty hard for me to blame Intel
> CPUs since I can't recreate any of the
> issues you say you're having.

No one can Zoron.

Shadus

 

[shadus]

You are nothing but an unskilled moron who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Half the time you make claims about a 9800 Ultra and the other half about a 5800 Pro. You claim your amd system can beat a c varient p4 but you won't even post benchmark numbers in a way that proves you aren't just rattling numbers off the top of your head. When someone points out a system configuration issue-- you shrug it off even when its completely valid. Basically you're a clueless, skilless, moron.

Shadus

 

[shadus]

> You have to use your head and expect that
> people know what they are doing.

Except everytime you open your mouth you prove that at least YOU don't.

Shadus

 

[ChipDeath]

said anything about a Ram chip running at 166 MHz the damn computer was using Kingston DDR P.C 2700 at a <b>minimum setting of 333 MHz.</b>
The 2 AMD systems both ran the same type of RAM <b>@ 333 MHz</b>

I bow to your superior skills. There's no way I could get PC2700 to run at an <b>actual clock</b> of 333Mhz, as that would then be 666DDR, and is precisely <b>double</b> the actual speed of the RAM...

Ok, seeing as my previous sarcasm seems to have not quite worked, I'll also add a non-sarcastic translation:
<font color=red>DDR333 RAM <i>actually</i> runs at a speed of 166.6[recurring]Mhz. So to actually say 333<b>Mhz</b> is wrong. It's a common enough little slip, and most people use Mhz when it's not really, but it doesn't bother me so I don't pedantically point it out when people do. Usually though, I personally tend to refer to things as <b>actual</b> clock, because that is just my preference. That was my reason for '166Mhz'.

In fact most BIOSes will show the actual clock, so the fact that you did not realise what I meant is proof that you've never bothered even <i>looking</i> at these settings..
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The rate you're digging a hole for yourself you'll pop out in china within days. :lol:

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[shadus]

> The rate you're digging a hole for yourself you'll
> pop out in china within days.

Already did, they sent him back with a postmark saying something to the tune of "Only in north america can ignorance of this magnitude be accepted with this degree of ego"

Shadus

 

[Vapor]

I OWN my own computer Store I have worked in Quality control Engineering for the previous 17 years I am fibre Optic certified and I am also a AN Electrical Engineer as well as a SMT specialist in computer placement robotics and repair. I have developed both Software and Hardware for Nortel Networks and designed proto-type fibre optic switches for JDS-Unifase

WOW, THOSE ARE GREAT CREDENTIALS! MAYBE I CAN DO ALL THAT AND BECOME A DOUCHEBAG LIKE YOU!!!

Other than your store, those are nothing worth [-peep-] in this argument. This is a direct comparision of AXP to P4C, where everybody else, from experience and from benchmarks, knows that the P4C will outperform the AXP in a great majority of circumstances.

the amount of knowledge you have compared to mine... is none existant!!

Oh really?! Look who is using the AXP and claiming it is a better processor than the 3.0C. Beyond your system's inability to function like the rest do, you have no way to substantiate any evidence. The AXP was meant to compete with the P4B, which it did very well. Then Intel released the P4C, which slapped the P4B around as well as the competition of P4B, namely AXP. A64 is meant to compete with P4C and Scotty, and AMD <b>KNOWS</b> that they lost against the P4C originally.

Next time you want to bleat off like a sheep you should realize that everyone knows that Kingston KVR333X64C25/1G is P.C 2700 Ram and the Default BIOS setting is 333 MHz but the ram can be set up higher then that.

I know it can go higher than that, but to 200MHz?? Not always (in fact, you haven't said if it did for you). I really doubt that it would since it is a 1GB DIMM, which has higher density RAM chips which are known to not be able to go at as high of speeds. Also, what chipset are you using?? I don't see any utilization of dual-channel RAM with your lowly single DIMM, without it, you have half the memory bandwidth and not exactly an ideal gaming system.

Also, didn't I say that you might have it OCed to 200MHz??? YES! Frankly, I don't believe you if you did, because of the crappiness of Kingston RAM (I have it in my system), and the improbability of making that DIMM run at 200MHz. If you did, I can imagine that it would be having errors like crazy, which might also explain your supposed lack of performance.

The only failing that I can see is that you little goof balls need to have every aspect of a post spoon fed to you because you only read what was not posted and ignore what was posted.

Right, that's why I'm taking direct quotes from you, because I only read what was not posted. Maybe to understand why the 3.0C loses to any AXP I need to stop reading what is posted and reported and reviewed and make up my own [-peep-] (based off of a REALLY poorly arranged argument with no evidence other than your wanna-be anomaly because you don't know how to build a friggen system), JUST LIKE YOU.

Guys like you are the clif clavins of the world always available to state the obvious but seldom able to come up with the original thought.

I don't see you having any original thought or any OBVIOUS thought. You just list your credentials and say that you are better because you think you are. Frankly, YOU AREN'T, you don't know how to build a friggen P4 system--which is OBVIOUS with your choice of RAM. If your 'store' was worth even a dime you (since you are the owner of it) would know that until the A64 and FX were released, the P4C was the OBVIOUS choice of processor for a high performance system. The main reason for anybody to buy an AXP would be because of budget.


BTW, you really need to work on your grammar and punctuation. Maybe you need to go "back to school for at least the next 15 years."

Damn Rambus.

 

[peter21]

SoDNighthawk i assume you live in Ottawa right? I believe i live close to your cottage, i live halfway between Ottawa and Kingston on highway 15.

I dare you to come and try out my P4 rig.

I have a P4 3.0C, properly paired with two sticks of Corsair XMS 3500 running at 200MHz DDR at CL 2. I'm using a canterwood board(Asus P4C800-E) and a 9700 Pro AIW. Nothing is overclocked on my rig.

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[Vapor]

The rate you're digging a hole for yourself you'll pop out in china within days.

Hey Sod, when you get there, can you get me some Chinese food?? That'd be great.



More seriously though, I agree with you completely...if his BIOS is 'showing' 333MHz...HE DIDN'T LOOK! I, too, prefer actual clock just because it is the actual number, not a PRed number.

I'm really getting sick of this guy and his [-peep-]. I elect we stop responding to him (meaning this is my last post RE: Sod, other than future versions of what Shadus originally posted).

Damn Rambus.

 

[ChipDeath]

I find it quite funny to be honest...

But what I <i>do</i> object to is him giving people BS advice. Everyone makes the odd mistake when giving advice, but usually a couple of others will point it out & the one making the mistake realises.... But our mate Sod seems unable to realise when he's wrong, an continually spouts the same unsubstantiated crap, and someday someone's going to take his advice when it wouldn't be the best option for their needs...

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[TTZX]

This guy is a total lamer. He's afraid to post his benchmark results, you know why? Go look at the thread titled "P4 2.6C vs 2800+", just look at the 3rd page down where I post my benchmark results with a stock 2.4C which beats his 2800+ results, which he typed in without providing a Link to, and he still denies it. I asked him to post his 3DMark link for comparison and he kept dodging my request. Now the fool wants us to believe that his 2800+ can hammer a 2.8C/3.0C, LMAO.

I know a few Electrical Engineers, but how could you be one since it takes brains to get a degree in that field.

 

[HardWareBoss]

He's just a big time Amd troll. Who is lost in his own mind. IF he still has one.

 

[TTZX]

Hey dude, I play online with my Cyrix 1GHz system and I get 1000fps and I oWnZorZ everyone, everytime man. Then I play on my P4 3.0GHz and I can't even get 50fps and it lags like a bitch so I get killed a lot. :lol:

 

[HardWareBoss]

LOL I needed a good laugh.