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LMAO, you werent going to notice 15 FPS, but you do care about 3.3 FPS ?
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Good one, but so far the thing that makes me love Kanavit
so much that i want to gouge out his eyeballs and skullf*ck him is this, don't remember exactly but somewhere around those lines, "Athlon64's useless since microsoft's never gonna release Winxp64, Hyperthreading on the other hand has immediate impact on performance."

I couldn't stop laughing after reading that, now another one to add on, AMD loves low latency while P4 doesn't.

Oh yeah another one, "Why pay for useless 64bit technology, a64 sucks, it's costing the same and it's 1ghz behind." Yes please explain to me then why Athlon64 is outperforming the P4 in games when it's 1Ghz behind and with half the cache.

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Kanavit seriously stop being such a Intel loyal limped dick pussy.

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I love how you are trying to justify your purchase of an inferior CPU and generic RAM....

ROFL

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This is one of the funniest post I've ever read here.

The most funny part was:
my prescott is faster in doom3 than the northwood. Maybe because D3 is new and uses SSE3.
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Picky Picky. I use whatever works. 15fps faster when its past 35fps is unknoticeable. BLAH! We all know what a P4 is designed to do. We all know what an Athlon is designed to do. Whats the problem again? I forgot? Where is that processor that beats both in all kinds of aplications.
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"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"
 
So , getting a 3.2e prescott was actually more effective, than finding a new A64 mobo, A64 cpu, and good low timing ram.
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Effective!!! what about getting a 3.0e to upgrade your 2.8b and then getting a 3.2e!!!now thats effective allright and you did have to find a mobo for your P4 and some new ram. Anyhow who cares your post always make my day =)

Out of curisosity, if you dont mind telling us how old are you and what are your incomes¿?

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<b>OMFG</b>, i can't believe you guys didn't know that AMD are more sensitive to ram timings than Intel chips. If i bought A64 3400+, and used generic DDR400 3-4-4-8 timings it would be slower than my 3.2E prescott at same timings. Because it uses onboard memory controller , the A64 is even more memory dependant than a 3.2e chip. Honestly..

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It is more timming sensitive and the P4 is more bandwith sensitive but honestly your P4 is still gonna end up getting raped by the A64 even if you cripple it!

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And uhhh intersting quote

Things start getting untidy when you combine compute-intensive tasks with large quantities of data such as file compression. In such categories, the memory timings make or break performance - the Pentium 4 processors either take the lead or bring up the rear, depending on whether the memory timings are fast or slow. We were duly impressed by the Athlon 64 FX-51's scores, which maintained its ranking no matter what kind of memory it was given. This steadfastness is largely due to the integrated memory controller.
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If you are spending that much on a processor and trying to get the best out of it, why would you buy generic ram anyway? Its like getting a getting a Porshe but buying second hand tires...

Kanavit, why don't you just admit the the A64 beats the room warmer.
 
If you are spending that much on a processor and trying to get the best out of it, why would you buy generic ram anyway? Its like getting a getting a Porshe but buying second hand tires...

Kanavit, why don't you just admit the the A64 beats the room warmer.
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i never complained about prescott heat. In fact, i may need it this winter. Heat is not a problem, its air cooling noise that i cannot bear. thats why i bought a silent Zalman cooler.
i hate spending money on RAM for some reason, like hard drives. Thats why i bought generic ram, and hooked it up with a Prescott. low cas Corsair XMS 2-2-2 high performance DDR400 ram costs like $300+ for 1gb Dual channel kit. As long as my system boots i'm happy. LOL

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i don't think i'm going to notice 5fps between AMD and intel . LOL!!

but i did make the right choice, my prescott is faster in doom3 than the northwood. Maybe because D3 is new and uses SSE3.

guys remember, Intel isn't as memory dependant as A64. If i got an A64 3400+, i had to find good ram which would be very expensive. The P4 isn't as dependant on memory timings as AMD chips. So , getting a 3.2e prescott was actually more effective, than finding a new A64 mobo, A64 cpu, and good low timing ram.
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Intel isnt as memory dependant as A64? ahahahahaha

SSE3? you keep mentioning this. those big numbers and catchy marketing phrases really get to you dont they! did you even read those reviews?

made the right choice, because your CPU comes out faster than the northwood in ONE game ? you built your system for one game?

dude and you wonder why we make fun of you. i used to try to restrain myself but you earned it

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Picky Picky. I use whatever works. 15fps faster when its past 35fps is unknoticeable
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dude thats so not true..

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whate else could explain why Prescotts were faster than northwoods in Doom3 , when it was slower in every other game, 1mb cache maybe?? Doom3 could be optimized for SSE3 and advanced hyperthreading. Doom3 uses AI+ sound from CPU resources.

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im sure ID would have let the reviewers know if it uses SSE3, its not like it should be kept secret. i dont know if it is or it isnt, but it was never mentioned once.

and doesnt the O/S have to support SSE3 before the applications can use it?

it was pretty much proven that the increase in cache is what made the difference

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thats the thing, the prescott uses higher latency L2 cache, so the increase in size negates any performance gains because of the higher latency compared to half size northwood L2 cache. So that reason has been eliminated possibility why prescott is faster than northwood in D3.

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i never complained about prescott heat. In fact, i may need it this winter. Heat is not a problem, its air cooling noise that i cannot bear. thats why i bought a silent Zalman cooler.
i hate spending money on RAM for some reason, like hard drives. Thats why i bought generic ram, and hooked it up with a Prescott. low cas Corsair XMS 2-2-2 high performance DDR400 ram costs like $300+ for 1gb Dual channel kit. As long as my system boots i'm happy. LOL
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I mentioned the prescott being hot in one word and you spend a paragraph telling me how YOU personally don't mind it.

You keep claiming that the Prescott is faster(marginally) than the northwood in Doom III, and that justifies you to deal with the heat and power issues that come along with it. Yet you like to cipple your system with generic ram. Doesn't make any sense.

Who said you MUST use Corsair cas 2-2-2 dual channel kit for an AMD. You are just trying to justify buying a lower valued heat warmer by inflating the price of the AMD.
 
Lads, at least let HIM believe what he says makes sense 😉 Cos i the end, you all know what the truth is, and I bet the number of pprescott owners (kana....) around here highlights that truth perfectly 😉

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whate else could explain why Prescotts were faster than northwoods in Doom3 , when it was slower in every other game, 1mb cache maybe?? Doom3 could be optimized for SSE3 and advanced hyperthreading.
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Obviously you didn't read the entire article..
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Umm DUH thats a no-brainer

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$500.00 difference?
Who would pay $500.00 more for the "status" of having "Intel inside"?
I guess that makes my next upgrade a no-brainer.
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thats the thing, the prescott uses higher latency L2 cache, so the increase in size negates any performance gains because of the higher latency compared to half size northwood L2 cache. So that reason has been eliminated possibility why prescott is faster than northwood in D3.
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eliminated? its been spefically proven to be the exact reason why!

even tho the Prescotts L1/L2 cache is slower, its still much faster than having to pull that data from system ram


wheather a program benifits from it depends on how its coded. Carmack's engines always seemed to like fast ram/big caches, must be his style

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Realy. I thaught I was being generous by saying 35. My peepers have never knoticed a difference once the image is repeated fast enought to be smooth.

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not trying to brag or anything, but i can tell the difference up to about 85fps.. of course the closer it gets to this, the harder it is to tell.


but i can DEFINATLY tell the difference between 40fps and 60fps.

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