ATI Beats Nvidia in GPU Shipment Battle in Q2

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Good for you ATI. After the C2D's smashed you so badly, and you outsourced your fabs i honestly thought you were gone for good. Im glad you proved us wrong by making stuff we didn't have to buy out of pity.
 
AMD taking ATI in was probably the best thing they have ever done. ATI can help them with cpu funding, and amd can help them with video card funding, like now, when AMD was a bit low, the 5xxx series came out, gave them a big boost, and AMD is seemingly back on the rise. COMPETITION FTW
 
[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]The Fermi is a complete failure. The low end GPU is the same size as the 5870, but performs much worse, and costs a lot less. That's a failed designed. It's not the price they sell it at that makes it successful or not, in this context, it's the price they can make it for. ATI can sell a chip that costs the same (roughly) for a lot more, or can sell a much cheaper to make GPU for the same. That's complete dominance. That's where you want to be. That's where Intel is with AMD processors. NVIDIA might be in a death spiral now, but it's probably a little too soon. Their revenues are shrinking, their opportunities diminishing (with the chipset business), and their market position quickly evaporating. They still have enough money to design a next generation, but if that's also a failure, which is all NVIDIA has been able to produce for some years now, it could be the beginning of the end for NVIDIA.Give ATI their due, they are just marching to a faster beat. On top of that, they seem to have a much better idea of what works within a transistor budget, and have been much quicker in introducing newer technologies. Put them altogether, and you get news like this, and the news we got a few days ago about NVIDIA's revenue being much lower than predicted.[/citation]
reading your quote gives me the distinct impression that you don't like nvidia anymore and want them to go bust. (though you have not mentioned this, that is the impression i got. that would be bad as the only reason your loving ATi is giving you this price is because of nvidias existence. with no competition im sure you would turn anti ati because of their prices in a second
 
@Ares1214:
ATI had the faster cards during the 9700-1900 series. There was some constant back and forth with the GeForce 5900~7900s, but ATI was a bit ahead - look at the older charts here. When the 8800GTX came out, it instantly devalued the ATI 1900XTX cards which were selling at $500+. Still, during those times - ATI was slowly gaining market share as their drivers improved (I never had a problem with my ATI 9800 with drivers).

With the ATI 3000 series, ATI had competing cards, not the fastest and the GPU price war started. Then about 2 years ago, the GeForce 280 came out (and the naming game) - but a few weeks later, a much cheaper ATI 4850/70s came out at almost half the price with 80~95% performance. Nvidia HAD to reduce the price of the GF2x0 cards to compete... at a loss.

Every current GF-4xx card sold, is a loss for Nvidia.

I'm not sure why AMD would or should come out with a 6000 series unless it does something very different from the current DX11 cards. They have room to make the 5890, 5990, 5790, 5690 as well as lower their prices.

To make the 6000s cause excitement, ATI needs to add 3D and/or Physics abilities.
 
GTX 460 is the only hope for nVidia now, it being the only card of which nVidia has probably good supply. nVidia shouldn't meet the fate of 3dfx, for it will leave ATI as the only major player in the market causing monopoly and stagnation. [:fixitbil]
 
[citation][nom]mccarlson[/nom]Nvidia simply got bad press on it's Fermi engineering samples. I have a Zotac GTX 480AMP! edition card and if that was the card used as the engineering sample I'm pretty sure Nvidia would have beat out ATI last quarter.~~ Nvidia will win in Q3.[/citation]

er... is the concept of cost/production understandable? Nvidia has NO chips to sell. Todays FERMI Geforce cards are not fully enabled because of the low-yields. IE: CPUS (GPUs - chips in general) are made on big wafers. There are always imperfections which means - some chips are thrown away or hopefully binned for lower-models (470 vs 480). Todays 480's are not FULLY functional GPUs.

So, with FERMI being so LARGE, theres only room for so many chips... I don't have the exact number, but lets say ATI can get 50 5870 GPUs off a wafer, but Nvidia can only make 30. Lets say there are 10 random errors. ATI has a final of 40 good GPUs, Nvidia gets 20.

Now, because those FERMIs are so large, they generate a lot of heat - too much the chip FRIES. So they have to reduce the clock and reduce fucntions to get higher yields. A GeForce 490 - would most likely add another 10% performance... but with todays issues, Nvidia may only get 1-2 such CPUs per wafer.

This is why ATI can still kick Nvidia in the balls by simply and easily dropping the price of the 5850 down to $200... as they would still make more profit than Nvidia with the GF260 - which is STILL a bigger die.
Then if they'd sell the 5870 for $275.. who'd spend $500 on a 480 or $350 on the 470?

ATI can do this at any time... when they see market share going to Nvidia, they'll drop the price. With the $230 GF460... I'm sure that ATI is itching to do that. Just a $60~75 price drop would snuff the GF-260.


 
All those saying that nVidia is on the way out:

It's not gonna happen, at least not for a long time. A company like nVidia would have to experience very drawn out periods of losses in order to fold; even then they probably would only file for a Chapter 11 and get restructured. These things tend to be cyclical anyways. Somebody mentioned that ATI had the edge back in the days of the Radeon 9700, but then lost the crown when nVidia released the 8800. The green guys then had it all for a long time. I think part of this was due to AMD buying ATI, something that initially disrupted what ATI was doing, but it turned out to be a good thing for both AMD and ATI, as the HD3000 series cam out and re-energized ATI again. The Boys in Red and the Boys in Green have and always will trade blows, something that results great benefits for us, the consumer.

Still, it feels REALLY good to see my favorite hardware company (AMD/ATI, duh) on top, especially in light of Intel pretty much owning the CPU market.
 
gr33nf00t... shouldn't you be R3df00t? 😉

Agreed. Nvidia is suffering losses from hardware failures and business deals (losing Apple hurts)... But Nvidia is not close to going out of business. That is fanboy talk.

Look what it took to Kill off Commodore? Well, it took years - but that was from within. 🙁
 
You people need to note that for professional applications such as cs5 and cad and advanced 3d animation, Nvidia's Quadro and tesla cards and CUDA architecture is FAR superior to ATI's offerings
 
I hate to burst your bubble guys. Say Nvidia went tits up. That would be bad for all of us. AMD/ATI would have control of the market and price. Some of you may remember a company called 3DFX. Nvidia bought them out and used their Anti-Aliasing for thier future cards. And the prices for cards went up. ATI back then wasn't really a player. So, don't be jumping up and down for joy.
 
[citation][nom]saaaaaaam[/nom]nvidia better than AMD if you use adobe cs5 in yor production pipline[/citation]

We heard from the first time. I use MS Paint.
 
By the way. I am not and Nvidia Fan-Boy. I have a Sapphire 5850. just making a valid point. I remember when I bought my 3DFX Voodoo 5 5500. What a revolutionary card that was. I wish 3DFX was still around. But they neglected the OEM market. And that doomed them to the hands of Nvidia. Just think where video card hardware would be now with 3 card company's at it!!!
 
ATI won this round, the 5000 series was amazing.

Plus with Southern Island around the corner, despite a great card in the GTX460 Nvidia is in trouble again.
 
[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]The Fermi is a complete failure. The low end GPU is the same size as the 5870, but performs much worse, and costs a lot less. That's a failed designed. It's not the price they sell it at that makes it successful or not, in this context, it's the price they can make it for. ATI can sell a chip that costs the same (roughly) for a lot more, or can sell a much cheaper to make GPU for the same. That's complete dominance. That's where you want to be. That's where Intel is with AMD processors. NVIDIA might be in a death spiral now, but it's probably a little too soon. Their revenues are shrinking, their opportunities diminishing (with the chipset business), and their market position quickly evaporating. They still have enough money to design a next generation, but if that's also a failure, which is all NVIDIA has been able to produce for some years now, it could be the beginning of the end for NVIDIA.Give ATI their due, they are just marching to a faster beat. On top of that, they seem to have a much better idea of what works within a transistor budget, and have been much quicker in introducing newer technologies. Put them altogether, and you get news like this, and the news we got a few days ago about NVIDIA's revenue being much lower than predicted.[/citation]

Give me a break. Do you even know what you're talking about? Nvidia has 48.9% of the market and you think this is the beginning of the end?!

If you knew anything about GPU history you would know that these back-and-forth battles are nothing new. It's a common feature in almost every competitive market. Nvidia is now the underdog just as Ari has been for quite some years now.
 
And the eternal struggle continues, this will prompt Nvidia to pick up its act, then after Nvidia has done so and released a better then what Ati offer then Ati will release a better card and so forth. This is very good indeed for the consumer.
 
Frankly, it's surprising this didn't happen sooner. They've been pretty much flying on 8800 fumes for.. 3 or 4 years now.
NVidia bounced right back after failing 5xx0 series design, but failing both 2x0 and 4x0 will take a bit longer.

Although 460 is a sign of slowly getting towards the right track, it's still more expensive to make than comparative ATI offerings. Knock on wood and hope they'll get their act together by next revision. The current situation has already caused an unwelcome inflation in ATI prices.
 
I think many people at Nvidia has expectation of this even before they even sold their Fermi cards. It was a sacrifice they had to, to compete in the future against AMD/ATI and Intel for massive parallel processing.
 
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