ATI Beats Nvidia in GPU Shipment Battle in Q2

[AKASH NAIN]

ATI Rocks.....

 

[lovejit]

Good for ATI and for the customers too.....!!!!

 

[mccarlson]

[citation][nom]Akash Nain[/nom]ATI Rocks.....[/citation]
Just as two GTX 480's in SLI will spank two 5870's in crossifre... what's your point?

 

[FLanighan]

I will always be an nvidia guy. For people who can settle with second best in order to save a few bucks Ati might be better, but for someone who needs to be on the bleeding edge of performance, nvidia all the way. Because of their superior scaling in SLI Nvidia has the best value when going multi-gpu.

Say you have a single GTX 480 playing crysis maxed out at 30fps and a 5870 at 25fps. For non-sli users $100 for 5fps more might seem a bit ridiculous, but it gets interesting when we add a second card to each setup in SLI/crossfire. The dual GTX 480's are now outputting 55fps while the 5870 crossfire configuration is only doing 40.

That's an 83% fps gain from adding a second 480(sometimes SLI yields a nearly 100% gain in framerate.) The AMD cards on the other hand only give a 60% gain in performance due to inferior gpu scaling. Another way of looking at this is seeing how when comparing single card setups, the nvidia solution is 20% faster while costing 25% more($500 vs. $400). Fair enough. However, when looking at multi-gpu setups nvidia is ahead by 37.5%+ while still being 25% more expensive($1000 vs. $800).

So, in my eyes, ATi might be the better choice for those who are spending

 

[sheytan]

fanboys fanboys...ATI (AMD) wants your money just as much as Nvidia or Intel.
The competition between them to leads to lower price for us consumers.
If ATI was the only "GPU player" the cards would be even more expensive than they are today. Have u forgot when Intel was the "only" one to make u cpu´s?

 

[Sabiancym]

LOL at the Nvidia fanboys who are still stuck in 2004.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]rohitbaran[/nom]GTX 460 is the only hope for nVidia now, it being the only card of which nVidia has probably good supply. nVidia shouldn't meet the fate of 3dfx, for it will leave ATI as the only major player in the market causing monopoly and stagnation.[/citation]
There won't be a monopoly. There will always be 2 or more, if the market value of nVidia drops significantly they wont go bust, someone huge will buy them and run them as an ongoing concern until they can cannibalise the user base to have their own named products built on the inherited IP.
Just like nVidia did with 3DFX.
Just like AMD did with ATI.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Question is, who has the money to buy nVidia that would even want it?
IBM? Not a part of their strategy.
Google? Not part of their strategy.
Microsoft? Ditto
That only leaves Intel or Samsung that stand out as chip fab companies that could strip out IP and run as an ongoing concern, as well as having the money.

 

[demonhorde665]

[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]NVIDIA might be in a death spiral now, but it's probably a little too soon. Their revenues are shrinking, their opportunities diminishing (with the chipset business), and their market position quickly evaporating. They still have enough money to design a next generation, but if that's also a failure, which is all NVIDIA has been able to produce for some years now, it could be the beginning of the end for NVIDIA.

Give ATI their due, they are just marching to a faster beat. On top of that, they seem to have a much better idea of what works within a transistor budget, and have been much quicker in introducing newer technologies. Put them altogether, and you get news like this, and the news we got a few days ago about NVIDIA's revenue being much lower than predictedcitation]


1. nvidia has not produced just failures for "years" now as you put it , the gf 8000 series and the 200 series were huge sucesses when stood next to ati's competing cards at the time ,seriously don't exagerate, they produced two failures in reccent history , the gf 9000 series (not to bad since it was based off the 8000 which stayed competitive with ati products at the time) and now the 400s really only one whole year of failure there. so i just don'tsee were they have produced only failures for years now ???

w, ati has not been quicker with newer technologies really they got teh jump on one technology shift and that is it , (dx 10.1 was no huge techno leap and nvidia intentionally didnt suppirt because liek most folks they saw it as apointless oh hum update to dx 10 which is what it was).ATI only beat them to dx 11 meanwhile ati is still struggling to get some form of physics processing runing on thier chips for the past three years while nvidia has had physX out for that time period.


your comment is highly biased at best and compeltely misleading at worse , the way you talk about it , some one would be inclined to think nvidia hasn't done any thign in teh last ten eyars cept sit around and hold each others d---s which is just not the case as much as i ahte to admit it , but truth be told nvidia has been far more innovative tech wise compared to ATI

now before you go blasting me ,I for the most part prefer ATI cards , teh ciolor pallette is better adn the images always look more vivid on ati , and i love it when they are on top, but i'm no fanboy , and i ackwoledge teh fact that nvidia is nio laughing clown , occasionaly they do release a product at a veryu sweet price and more often than not that card will out perform the ati counterpart , (such as the Gf 9600 GT vs the radeon HD 3850 for a good few months when these cards were the awsome "card for mid end, the gf card was a good 30 bucks less)

 

[demonhorde665]

oh another point , some one mentioned ATI's prices always beeing better than nvidia. while this has generally been true most of the time , the 5000 series is extremely costly on teh consummer end compared to previous generation of radeons , the 3870 when it was new maxed price at 300, the 4870 maxed out at 350 the 3850 and the 4850 wer both priced aroound the neighbor hood of 200 bucks when they first came out the lower end variants ranged at 100-160 , but with the 5k series that pricing was tossed out the window the 5870 is aroudn 400-450 still, the 5850is still bankign at 300-320 , and now teh "budget" card nubmers are ranking in at 160-200 (5770) or 120-150 (5760) and all lower nubmers dropping lower than 1900 bucks ,bassically teh cards gamers would not buy which leaves no real "budget gaming " card availible form either ati or nivida. in short ATi is looking like they may start pricing like nvidia, this same trend was seen with amd , back when amd beat intel to 64 bit cpus for home pc's , where AMD's top processors were sellign around 1000-1200.,point is when teh other guy gets on top of sales , they start pricing thier stuff like they are the top dog .. which coems down to simple ecnomics , supply and demand harsh i know , make me almost wish ati never catrhces up at tiems but always stays slightly be bhind .. almost , it would certainly made their 5k cheapers if nvida had gotten the fermi out first.

 

[dan4patriots]

about time ati

 

[antilycus]

ATi Drivers still blow. All they do is survive off the coat tails of NVDA engineering. Anyone who has followed Graphic Accelerators from the beginning already knows this. If you think otherwise, it's because you have been piss poor broke the past few years and you've bought ATi/AMD because it was cheaper. Still, out of 20 or so machines (XP PRO) I've have yet to have one that hasn't BSOD'd on me specifically because of the ATI card and drivers.

 

[FLanighan]

Ati provides better value for the masses who don't want to/can't afford to spend $600+ on multi gpu setup. But crossfire is a total waste of money. You pay twice as much for a second card but only get 60% higher framerate whereas with SLI you get nearly 100% jump in fps from adding another gpu.

My latest card was a 5870. It was good. But playing at 5040x1050 (higher than 2560x1600 and more field of view) is a real tax on your system and in some games(especially crysis) I had to turn down the settings in order to get playable fps. I looked in to buying a second 5870 but the benchmarks weren't impressing me. 2 GTX 285's in SLI nearly equal 2 5870's in crossfire due to the difference in scaling. So I sold the 5870 and am planning on going dual GTX 480's to use in NVIDIA surround which should provide the muscle I need in order have my games run at an aspect ratio of 48:10 and a resolution equating to over 5 megapixels.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]oh another point , some one mentioned ATI's prices always beeing better than nvidia. while this has generally been true most of the time , the 5000 series is extremely costly on teh consummer end compared to previous generation of radeons , the 3870 when it was new maxed price at 300, the 4870 maxed out at 350 the 3850 and the 4850 wer both priced aroound the neighbor hood of 200 bucks when they first came out the lower end variants ranged at 100-160 , but with the 5k series that pricing was tossed out the window the 5870 is aroudn 400-450 still, the 5850is still bankign at 300-320 , and now teh "budget" card nubmers are ranking in at 160-200 (5770) or 120-150 (5760) and all lower nubmers dropping lower than 1900 bucks ,bassically teh cards gamers would not buy which leaves no real "budget gaming " card availible form either ati or nivida. in short ATi is looking like they may start pricing like nvidia, this same trend was seen with amd , back when amd beat intel to 64 bit cpus for home pc's , where AMD's top processors were sellign around 1000-1200.,point is when teh other guy gets on top of sales , they start pricing thier stuff like they are the top dog .. which coems down to simple ecnomics , supply and demand harsh i know , make me almost wish ati never catrhces up at tiems but always stays slightly be bhind .. almost , it would certainly made their 5k cheapers if nvida had gotten the fermi out first.[/citation]
So dont buy it then, go buy an nVidia card for - oh, hang on - even more?

 

[maxpayne94]

ATi Rules, Nvidia too! 😛

 

[silicondoc]

Q2 NVidia sold 811 Million, more than AMD and ATI combined, and in Ati's case, it came in at a paltry 411 Million.

Let's go over that again kids.... subtracting the less than 200 Million for NVidia chipsets sold...

Nvidia 611+ Million headline !! nvidia losing streak shrieks redboy !
ati -411 Million headlines !! ati takes over discrete market share !
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The bottom line = NVIDIA IS AHEAD AT LEAST 200 MILLION FOR Q2 over ati....

So much for that red raging about core sizes and how much profit per card after all the cost gerrymandering blabbered about AIB partner's portion.

NVIDIA still won big time and ati still lost badly.

And now, NVIDIA is on the rise, with an out of the ballpark grand tectonic slam GTX460 !

Nighty night ati bedwetters !

 

[AKASH NAIN]

Just as two GTX 480's in SLI will spank two 5870's in crossifre... what's your point?

For your kind information my dear the gpu inside an Xbox is of ATI then why are u barking about sli .I am not saying that crossfire is better than sli my point is that ATI is doing much better than NVIDIA at low prices with quality.