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Go back and check who started to tell each of the other to shut up or "you don't know what your talking about" crap.
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Yeah that would still be you, you look at it again.

Your statements are devoid of proof, and yet you come on to try and school everyone. I asked you to prove your statements 2 times, and nothing. You went to the *peep* well first so don't try and sell that crap too.

Either put up or Shutup. Simple rule here; Support your stements. Back up what you have to say, or don't bother spraying it all over the place. Right now it, like GW said, it sure looks like all you have to offer is FUD, because you sure don't have any evidence to back it up so far.

Want start fresh, fine, I don't care, but really better be posting better stuff than that.

Seriously, Get Real!


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil:
 
nice now Grape's pissed off too!!! WOOT!! this is just like midnight cinema
*pulls out beer and popcorn*
DH~~~~ where are u~~~~~

RIP Block Heater....HELLO P4~~~~~
120% nVidia Fanboy+119% Money Fanboy
GeForce 6800 Ultra--> The Way we thought FX 5800Ultra is meant to be played
THGC's resident Asian and nVboy 😀
 
LOL!

Shouldn't you be fixing your Mom's laptop problem?!? :tongue:


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil:
 
Hmm, so your 3D2001 score is 16171 3D marks, I get 15513 on my 9800pro stock (too scared to overclock)and my Mate gets 18000 + on his 9800XT also stock no O/C.

For a 9800 XT to pull those kinda of scores perhaps there's somthing in your system that needs to be looked into, maybe you could rewrite the engine programming code LOL....

Sorry Dude, just couldn't resist...

Gary

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<font color=red>Gecube 9800 pro Extreme<font color=red>
<font color=blue>ASUS A7N8X deluxe<font color=blue>
<font color=blue>1024 meg Dual Channel DDR 3200<font color=blue>
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Shite, having the Grape pissed is like having Mother Therasa telling you to F off....not a bad effort for a newbie, and for your next trick ? kicking the Dali Lama in the goulies ? Man oh man, it's like sticking yer wedding tackle in a Lions mouth and flicking it on the goulies with a wet towel around here at the moment.

Gary

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<font color=red>Gecube 9800 pro Extreme<font color=red>
<font color=blue>ASUS A7N8X deluxe<font color=blue>
<font color=blue>1024 meg Dual Channel DDR 3200<font color=blue>
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Too bad Kinney isn't here to witness this Entium but OMG Tomshardware killed kinny(a banning Tomshardware community is ashamed of because they know they are to blame)for having a different point of view...

Oh, and dont let them tell you differently that he was too insulting or something when that is a bald faced lie because he liked to argue just like you and they couldnt take it anymore. Your stomping all over peoples respect for ATI just like he did so dont even think about returning the insults or you will wind up another victum of this ATI biased nightmare called Tomshardware.

Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
 
Grape thats miss information, I was using 3dmark03, the one you are showing is 3dmark01 you are truly nieve. Don't even look at the program thats benchmarking. Abviously 01 will go 2 to 3 times faster then 03 because doesn't have more commplex shaders!

Try again.
 
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Also, bringing 3Dmk01 to a Graphics Card comparison is like bringing a knife to a gun fight DumbA$$! Posting a 3Dmk03 result would've been beter. But of course you knew that since you're so wise in all things graphics related, right!?!
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I did post the 3dmark03 scores I got so whats the problem.

Maybe need glasses? :)
 
BTW grape, in about 1 year if you think Doom 3, Half life 2, Stalker, Unreal 3, and Crytek are good engines. Just wait to see whats in Store. I have a PHD from MIT. Yeah its that is Piled Higher and Deeper!. Just like the stuff you are talking about.

And I know you don't like it when you get stepped on top of. Just like I don't. Don't step on me I won't step on you. Got it?
 
Thats not from my system this is my system,
9800xt OC'd @ 520/1100-- 10535 @pure speed [my test]
x800xt pe @ 520/1100-- 11021 @pure speed [reviewers benches]

3Dmark03

This is what I got

Test system
Intel P4 3.0ghz
Thermaltake Spark 7+ cooling
Corsair 1024 MB (2x512) PC3200 memory
SATA hard drives x2 raid 1
 
lol that truely sux, they really should look it from all sides.

even when I'm talking about ATI i'm not saying they are the only people doing it hint, hint!
 
You guys are really good, ya know that. I was wondering if ya guys would look into the matter furthur. But you beloved ati fans can't get your head out of the sand.

Just take a look, and you will see what I see. Ask ati about the 96 bit percision see what they say.

I dare ya, double dare ya.

Oh no you won't do that because you're like a child with a monster under his bed, it will destroy you and your whole belief system. Please its a graphics card!
 
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I may know $h1t, I amdit there are far more knowledgeable people than I out there than I (many of which are friends), but you prove with every post you make that you know far less than I do!

I won't even bother with your BS about the X800 as the additional functionality and the need for PS 2.0b just to address that functionality PROVES you wrong. And your weak attempts to even support your own position are simply laughable. Oh yeah, BTW, a GF6800 is really just and overclocked Banshee, not even a TNT! Proof you say? Hey I say it is, and that's all I need right?

While the X800/R42x is not as radically different from it predecessor as the NV40, it didn't need to be as the last core wasn't F'ed up like the NV3x line. But you keep on spouting from whatever handbook you have and maybe someone will take you seriously. Sure thing no one here will.
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If you want proof dl nvidia's tech docs on thier cards. The full summery tech docs! This is why I don't waste my beathe with miss informed people because the information is out there just have to know where to look for them.

Why did Nvidia has been changing cores every 1 year you fool they have been doing that since the beginning.

This is what I'm talking about knowing half the information and ignoring the other half!

What got me ticked started off in the other post not this one.

Like the name Grape btw the cartoon character wasn't the smartest either :)
 
I wouldn't have even started down these posts if it was the half baked remark you gave Grape when I stated "cheating is cheating".

What kind of response did ya want from that, Go screw yourself?

I don't like using strong language. But you kept on goin! and pushed me to the point I got pissed
 
P4 2.53 @ 2.755, RBX, 9800XT 430/385x2

that one is 2001, I was just giving an example. With a faster processor and better ram the scores go up. And this isn't clocked nowhere near how much I clocked mine.
 
Sarcasm and insults are no way to get a message across, telling somebody that there a programming wanabee is a great way to show the community the true nature of the man their dealing with. He doesn't realise that this is a "comunity", it's for enthusiasts, people who have a genuine interest in graphics cards and is not manned by experts. I'm afraid that those who show nothing but arrogance and have an attitude that they are superior to everyone else around them have a personality problem.
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I couldn't agree with you more!!! The problem I do have is that your saying this with simpathy to GW, when I believe that he is a prime example of what's wrong with this forum.
While GW does offer some decent insight from time to time, his posts usually consist of insults and arrogance that are simply outrageous and shouldn't be tolerated here. For example, he told entium to simply "DIE" before entium said anything insulting to anyone.
I started posting here about a year ago, and no one has been more rude to me without provocation than GW.
It's one thing to disagree with someone elses views (which might be understandable considering what entium is saying), but it's another to be totally abusive, like GW is.

Like I said before, I agree with you that this is a "community" and a great one at that. And I can think of many people who are helpful and friendly. But don't be sympathetic to GW. He scares many newbies and strangers away, which hurts this community and gives it a bad rep.
 
I find it hard to believe that you got 10535 in 3dMark03 with a 9800XT.
Please post the link to prove... if I missed the link, I apologize.

The link you did give (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7570925) is for 3dMark 2001SE, not 3dMark 2003.

I'd also like to say that, 24-bit VS 32-bit is much harder to spot in real-world shader calculations than, say, 16-bit VS 24-bit.
I really don't think the 24 VS 32 bit thing is as much of a real-world issue as a marketing trumpet. If you can show me an example showing the superiority of 32-bit over 24-bit, I'd be very interested in seeing it.

The human eye can perceive banding very easily in an image with 16-bit color, but a 24-bit color image is quite clean by comparison. Comparing 24 and 32-bit images would be much harder to spot differences.
I know it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison, but I believe the same result might be found when doing shader calculations.

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<b>Radeon <font color=red>9700 PRO</b></font color=red> <i>(o/c 333/343)</i>
<b>AthlonXP <font color=red>~2600+</b></font color=red> <i>(2400+ @ 2145 Mhz)</i>
<b>3dMark03: <font color=red>4,876</b>
 
Just wondering...
9800xt OC'd @ 520/1100-- 10535
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Do you actually have proof of this? You're talking something not far from a 50% improvement in 3dMark '03, with only a ~26% improvement in Core clock speed. Well, I say <i>only</i>, although it is an impressive overclock, but you know what I mean.

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24 vs 32 isn't that big until you get to dynamic light calculations normal maps are programmed for 32 bit per pixel calculations.

You might notice there is sawtoothing in Nvidia's cards even the early drives or the 6800 with shader dependent games like Far Cry,

This is because they didn't use full 32 bit precision (most likely 16 bit).

But this is just a guess. The only thing that could be possible that would cause the sawtoothing.
 
I hear ya, this is on my system :). Thats why I said early try it out. I'm using the reference 9800xt, not everybody has one of these. I might be able to clock my card higher then others. Depends on ATI's yeilds.
 
I'm using the reference 9800xt, not everybody has one of these. I might be able to clock my card higher then others. Depends on ATI's yeilds.
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If you could post a link to futuremark proving that you actually got 10535 in 3dMark03, that'd be great.

I'm having a really hard time believing it.

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<b>Radeon <font color=red>9700 PRO</b></font color=red> <i>(o/c 333/343)</i>
<b>AthlonXP <font color=red>~2600+</b></font color=red> <i>(2400+ @ 2145 Mhz)</i>
<b>3dMark03: <font color=red>4,876</b>
 
That's really great, if you could post a link that'd be super.

I also find it difficult to believe that a stock 9800XT got 8k on *any* system.
3dMark03 isn't really CPU/system dependant, it pretty much ignores the rest of your system and different CPU/FSB/Memory speeds seem to have very little effect on 3dMark03 scores, so if you got 8k at stock 9800XT clocks that's beyond incredible. Damn near impossible, in fact.

But at this point, proof needs to be provided, because your claims are now even more unlikely.

As a matter of fact, I'll stick my neck out and call bull$hit on you at this point. If you can provide proof, my apologies of course.

But if you can't provide proof, might I suggest you go phvk yourself.
(once again, if you can provide proof, please disregard the preceeding statement)

Good day sir,

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<b>Radeon <font color=red>9700 PRO</b></font color=red> <i>(o/c 333/343)</i>
<b>AthlonXP <font color=red>~2600+</b></font color=red> <i>(2400+ @ 2145 Mhz)</i>
<b>3dMark03: <font color=red>4,876</b>
 
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