[SOLVED] Best version of windows 10?

[hamada.hosny93]

Hi guys, i'm currently running windows 10 version 1809 updated to the latest builds.

But i'm currently facing issues with this version of windows, and when i googled about this version 1809, found so many people saying that it has some bugs and microsoft didn't fix them till this moment.

Anyways, i need to ask people here about the most stable version of windows 10 that has the least amount of issues, i will use it for gaming most of the time, so i hope also people help me to determine the best stable version with the least consumption of RAM also.

Some friends advised me to try 1607 and some other said 1709, but i'm asking here for more suggestions.

HINT: i don't want to try again 1809 or the newest one 1903 as its not stable till this moment.

Thanks in advance.

 

[USAFRet]

And "all people know" is not 'documentation'.

 

[PC Tailor]

It does seem to point to hardware, I haven't bothered to run the second dump as whilst I do see Dbg point to hardware when it was software, it's not too often, and the small amount of modules loaded at the time limits the possibilities of cause even further.

I know the Qualcomm driver can cause issues as can the Intel Management driver if it is out of date with your BIOS.
I do not use the Internet Download Manager and do not see it often, but I'm not aware of crashes this might cause.

I also agree with most on here that latest W10 is the best way to go, as it is also what results from the indIrect impact of WER service (not just constant changes). Every error gets reported and soon enough, patched or improved.

Based on the debug, I do not believe that a different W10 version will rectify your issue.
BSOD can often point to ntoskrnl.exe and ntkrnlmp.exe - but rarely do these cause the actual crashes, they're just what happened to be forced to crash by something else.

 

[PC Tailor]

Thanks for all these information, actually i have read the full report, but didn't understand actually what is the real cause to my problem, so let me ask some questions please and i hope for help:

- Does it point to a RAM problem???

If yes, then Internet Download Manager, Qualcomm and other drivers, what are their problems?? which of them are the real cause for crashes??

What should i do exactly for now???

We can wait for more feedback from others, however as initial steps:

• Update your Qualcomm drivers and ensure windows updates are up to date as far as possible.
• Ensure that your BIOS is fully up to date - and with that make sure your intel management engine driver is of the same dated version (your BIOS and Intel Mgmt Eng should align basically).
• Being as you have encountered a memory corruption, as best practice you should also run memtest to verify the integrity of your RAM modules.
• It also never hurts to run anti virus/malware scans to ensure the error isn't being caused by unwanted software.

 

[DMAN999]

If Memtest shows errors then at least one of your RAM sticks is faulty.
I believe Memtest even tells you which stick is bad.

 

[USAFRet]

About running memtest, actually i have run a test since a long time, and showed errors, but i wasn't sure if this points to a RAM problem or not.

If memtest coughed up an error, that is absolutely a problem.

Which could very easily lead to:
"I'm receiving problems like Gaming Crashes and BSODs during gaming most of the time "

Probably a RAM stick. Secondarily but unlikely, the motherboard.

 

[USAFRet]

You said you ran memtest a long time ago, and there were errors.

So run it now.
See what happens.
If it gives an error....you have a faulty RAM stick. 'feelings' don't matter.

 

[DSzymborski]

Actually i don't feel at all that its a RAM problem, however, i don't know what to do, i will wait for more feedback from others as @PC Tailor said before taking any decision.

You're never going to fix your PC if you ignore actual evidence of what is wrong in favor of subjective feelings about what is wrong. A test has found errors, yet you seem curiously uninterested in resolving them; good RAM doesn't simply spit out errors like that.

The errors in your RAM might not be what's causing you a specific problem right now, but eliminating potential problems when actual evidence of those problems is discovered is the process you need to use to resolve a vague PC issue. If you solved one person's problem every single day, it would take you nearly 50 years to help the 18,171 people that USAFRet has helped resolve their PC problems on TH.

 

[Colif]

Atherros drivers - the website may say they up to date but 2012 drivers aren't the newest. You can also use these: https://support.killernetworking.com/download/killer-drivers-installation-64bit/ (I assume you using 64bit windows)

if you got errors ages ago in Memtest, you should have replaced ram then. As only error count you want in memtest is 0, any higher and ram needs to be replaced/removed.

i don't think i ever seen a bsod thats actually caused by ntoskrnl, it just gets the blame. ntoskrnl & ntkrnlmp are both parts of windows kernel and if they were buggy, millions of people running win 10 would be in here complaining

 

[PC Tailor]

Actually i don't feel at all that its a RAM problem, however, i don't know what to do, i will wait for more feedback from others as @PC Tailor said before taking any decision.

To be honest, everything I'm about to say has already been stated, I'm just reinforcing it.

All of the above are 100% correct my friend. I have worked with countless numbers of computers with this kind of BSOD problem amongst many others (as all the team above have also) and memory has very commonly caused the problem you describe, the memtest and debug report simply reinforced this.

Return the whole pack if that's what the seller requests (which I appreciate is annoying) as there is undoubtedly a problem with your RAM.

Can we guarantee it will solve your problem now, no not necessarily, but we could be pretty sure that it is, and if it isn't, the modules are a problem that have to be eliminated regardless exactly as @DSzymborski, @Colif and @USAFRet have stated. Regardless, the longer you leave it, the more other problems will arise.

Either way, we've seen your problem being caused by RAM on many occasions, so I hope you can get it returned and resolved.

 

[PC Tailor]

Just to add also - I was running some test on my debugger, and just so happened to require a dmp file, so I ran the second dmp file anyway.

You can view the full report here: https://pste.eu/p/skdj.html

The third party modules were exactly the same, which either means that one of those drivers are causing the issue (which you have already been advised on, Intel Management, Atheros, BIOS etc.). or it is hardware. I would certainly lean on the latter as the Bugcheck 1e can easily be caused by hardware or software, and the first debug points to hardware initially.

Summary of report:

BugCheck 1E, {ffffffffc0000005, fffff80347012820, 0, ffffffffffffffff}
Probably caused by : memory_corruption ( nt!MiApplyCompressedFixups+60 )

KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED (1e)
This is a very common bugcheck. Usually the exception address pinpoints the driver/function that caused the problem. Always note this address as well as the link date of the driver/image that contains this address.

Arguments:
Arg1: ffffffffc0000005, The exception code that was not handled
Arg2: fffff80347012820, The address that the exception occurred at
Arg3: 0000000000000000, Parameter 0 of the exception
Arg4: ffffffffffffffff, Parameter 1 of the exception

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT
PROCESS_NAME: svchost.exe
IMAGE_NAME: memory_corruption
MODULE_NAME: nt
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x1E_c0000005_R_nt!MiApplyCompressedFixups
BUCKET_ID: 0x1E_c0000005_R_nt!MiApplyCompressedFixups

Hardware incompatibility
Confirm that any new hardware that is installed is compatible with the installed version of Windows. For example, you can get information about required hardware at Windows 10 Specifications.

Faulty device driver or system service
In addition, a faulty device driver or system service might be responsible for this error. Hardware issues, such as BIOS incompatibilities, memory conflicts, and IRQ conflicts can also generate this error.

I would advise following Colif's advice here:

Atherros drivers - the website may say they up to date but 2012 drivers aren't the newest. You can also use these: https://support.killernetworking.com/download/killer-drivers-installation-64bit/ (I assume you using 64bit windows)

and then everyone's advice on replacing your RAM modules if a memtest showed errors.
Please let us know how it goes my friend.

 

[PC Tailor]

Despite this, your BIOS is out of date, so you may need to update your BIOS (F12 is latest for your MB) and you'll want to update Intel Management engine along with this.,
Regardless, you want to replace your RAM.

 

[Colif]

So, to answer original question, once PC is working fine, the best version is probably 1903 as its had far less problems found in it compared to 1809 when it was first released.

hopefully the advice we offered will help overcome your PC problems. Fresh install could also bypass some if they driver based errors

 

[germanium]

Are you overclocking the RAM at all as that can cause them to show errors in Memtest. Note , if you have a non over clocking motherboard that doesn't mean that the RAM can't be over clocked as most non over clocking boards & processors can still overclock RAM up to the max permitted by the CPU. You can still run 2133 RAM at up to 2666 on a non-overclocking motherboard & CPU. This will almost always result in errors & instability of your computer. I personally run DDR4 2133 at 2400. If I go up to 2666 even at 1.5 volts I get instability. I can run 2400 just fine at 1.2 volts & still keep the same tight timings which are slightly tighter than listed for this RAM. CAS latency listed at 16 but motherboard defaults to 15 automatically without my input, It is stable there so no issues. Different RAM have different potential though & some may not over clock well at all. Some boards will actually overclock RAM automatically without any input from user. You could download CPU-Z & it will tell you the stock speed of the RAM then you can go to the tools button at the bottom & select clocks & it will tell you the current RAM speed. This could save you from having to return your RAM.

If the Actual RAM speed is higher than stock go to BIOS & lower it to stock & see if when you run Memtest if you still get errors.

Note when viewing memory frequencies in CPU-Z you must multiply the reading by 2 to get the real DDR 4 rate that would be listed for the RAM.

By the way I am running Windows 10 1903 currently.

 

[germanium]

Actually my current XMP profile is disabled, so RAM is in default speed 2133.

I downloaded and checked CPU-Z also, and found its 1064.xx, Multiplying by 2 will be the same stock speed 2133.

So there's nothing with the RAM speed, but thanks for this info.

Sorry to hear that. Were these new sticks of RAM you just bought or did they come with your computer?

Generally DDR4 2133-2666 will not have an XMP profile. XMP profile must be manually activated in the BIOS. Anything above this will have an XMP profile but for stability reasons will default to max 2666 or less then you can activate the XMP profile once you boot back into the BIOS after installing memory modules. Often the XMP profile though is unstable at least it was in the past. Try to avoid modules that have an XMP profile that requires more than 1.35 volts. There are modules that require 1.5 volts which over time can damage the memory controller.

 

[germanium]

First of all: Sorry for late reply to this as i was a little busy.

Yes they were new sticks of RAM, and they were part of my new gaming PC, problems started after less than 1 month from usage.

My CPU is core i5 8400 and motherboard B360 AORUS Gaming 3, all is totally new.

RAM Model: Team T-Force Delta RGB Black 16GB(2x8GB) 2666.

So it came with the computer. You may have to RMA the RAM to the maker of the PC. T Force is not quite a big name yet in RAM. The RAM I have is just Kingston DDR4 2133 & it's been working great for years. It's been through 2 motherboards & worked great on both & its cheap. On my old motherboard was stable at 2666 but this one only stable to 2400 but that's ok as not much difference performance wise. The differences are due to motherboard or BIOS not RAM aging I'm sure as the difference was immediate. Different BIOS configurations can affect stability at higher frequencies. The areas of configuration that matter for high frequency stability are often hidden from end user. I have used 2 different BIOS's on same motherboard & got radically better performance on the modified BIOS back in the Pentium 3 days when I used the same RAM moduals. All the changes were hidden from end user

 

[Colif]

the further back you go, the more bugs you will find as updates since then may have fixed them.

Almost all versions of windows since 7 use the same amount of ram, windows 10 is actually able to boot with less ram than all of them until you reach win xp.

What problems are you having? better to fix them than to avoid newer versions of Windows.

 

[USAFRet]

Whatever "version" you install will soon update itself to the latest.
MS only supports 18 months back. 1607 is way out of any support.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853

 

[USAFRet]

Windows 10 is the most OS that uses higher amount of RAM than 7 and even 8.1,

No, it isn't.

Unless of course you have some actual documentation to show this.

 

[USAFRet]

And the "cumulative updates" will eventually result in 'updating' to the latest version. Currently, v1903.

 

[hamada.hosny93]

No, it isn't.

Unless of course you have some actual documentation to show this.

No i totally disagree with you, all people know that windows 10 is the most OS consuming CPU and RAM.

Even microsoft itself advise people with older devices to stay with 7, but 10 is mostly working good with high end devices.

 

[hamada.hosny93]

And the "cumulative updates" will eventually result in 'updating' to the latest version. Currently, v1903.

Cumulative updates are different from feature updates, a newer version is called feature update, but cumulative updates are just normal updates for the same version you're currently using.

Even Windows Update service will notify you before installing feature updates to be in your choice now, but cumulative updates will get downloaded and installed automatically.

Anyways, we're getting into more discussion about something not related to my main thread, so please help me regarding my thread if you can.

 

[USAFRet]

Yes, I absolutely know the difference between the cumulative and the semi-annual feature updates.

For your question? v1903.


What "issues" are you having with your system?What is your full parts list?
What do you do with this thing?

 

[hamada.hosny93]

I'm receiving problems like Gaming Crashes and BSODs during gaming most of the time, most of them related to that ntoskrnl.exe and ntkrnlmp.exe, i don't feel its a RAM problem and its more related to be a windows problem, even people tried out the newest version 1903 are reporting this problem also, it started mostly with the newest versions of windows including 1809 and 1903 now.

This is the problem i'm currently having.

Please suggest me a stable version except the newest ones, i will never try anymore.

And please don't go with more discussion about anything not related to my thread, this is out of my topic and it's wasting my time, i need an answer to my thread only, don't try to make an advertisement here for Microsoft and repeat their words by suggesting installing latest versions and updates, This is Tom's Hardware Forum NOT Microsoft Corporation.

 

[Colif]

BSOD:

Can you follow option one on the following link - here - and then do this step below: Small memory dumps - Have Windows Create a Small Memory Dump (Minidump) on BSOD

that creates a file in c windows/minidump after the next BSOD
copy that file to documents
upload the copy from documents to a file sharing web site, and share the link here and I will get someone to convert file into a format I can read

Windows ram usage

while not realistic tests, it still proves a point. Win 10 can boot with less ram than all previous versions of Windows until you reach XP. XP only beats it as its 20 years old and many PC back then were lucky to have 2gb of ram.

WIn 10 may appear to use more ram but it just uses it differently than previous versions. Its more likely to compress previously used applications into ram rather than write them direct to hdd as if you decide to re open the program again, its much faster to do it from ram than any other storage. If an application actually needs the ram that has something compressed into it, it will write that data to storage and give it up.