Blizzard Banned Over 5,000 StarCraft II Players

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Don't you love the: "What are you talking about, I'm not cheating" speeches?


[citation][nom]the_krasno[/nom]Rules are meant so nobody has an unfair advantage that makes the game less fun for others. You are just a douchebag trying haplessly to justify his actions.[/citation]
 
Are the cheating players going to be able to get their money back?
I assume that Blizzard has conveniently included an agreement within the game to not cheat on battlenet, but is that a legal agreement that could stand in th court of law?

Someone could argue that if a customers buys the game without any prior knowledge that in order for him to be able to load the game and play on the Battlenet he will have to agree not to cheat on the battlenet (or for that manner any other unexpected condition) then it makes it unfair to the customer. Why? Simple . . .

... Once he takes out the disk to load the game onto his PC and then sees the terms and conditions (during the game installation) which he might not agree to then it is too late to return the game to the store.

I am not trying to promote cheating and in fact I don't like cheaters. I am not a disgruntled Battlenet player (in fact I am not playing Startcraft II), but I'm simply wondering how much control can a company like Blizzard have when imposing conditions of use upon its customers?
 
A eula/terms of service agreement is THERE so that it can stand in the court of law. Many are not prosecuted because its not worth it, but I think it would clearly stand in a court of law- you bought the game, and to install and play it, you MUST agree to the terms of service. If you don't agree, you don't install it, so if they have the game and installed it, they agreed to the terms of service, and thus are going to be held to it. If you don't agree to the EULA, then you can't install the game. If you don't know that type of stuff is gonna be in the EULA anyway- you're stupid.
 
[citation][nom]Konman[/nom]Are the cheating players going to be able to get their money back?I assume that Blizzard has conveniently included an agreement within the game to not cheat on battlenet, but is that a legal agreement that could stand in th court of law?Someone could argue that if a customers buys the game without any prior knowledge that in order for him to be able to load the game and play on the Battlenet he will have to agree not to cheat on the battlenet (or for that manner any other unexpected condition) then it makes it unfair to the customer. Why? Simple . . .... Once he takes out the disk to load the game onto his PC and then sees the terms and conditions (during the game installation) which he might not agree to then it is too late to return the game to the store.I am not trying to promote cheating and in fact I don't like cheaters. I am not a disgruntled Battlenet player (in fact I am not playing Startcraft II), but I'm simply wondering how much control can a company like Blizzard have when imposing conditions of use upon its customers?[/citation]

The Terms of Use / Terms of Service document is available for anyone to peruse on the Blizzard website. Furthermore, it should be general sense to assume that as the buyer of software, it is because one will use it the way it was intended to be used.
 
more cheaters the more challenging it is but less people play the boring it will be. Hope grandma will quit facebook instead play starcraft too.
 
Although I have NOT played SC2, I can say that there is always people playing multiplayer games that, in their behavior, ruin the whole pleasure of playing on-line with other players...

e.g. the first time I played Red Dead Redemption on-line was very pleasant. I think the whole way that they made the multiplayer game of RDR very opened, where you can just ride around and join other players in a posse and play missions together is very cool and new. But the last few times I have tried to play RDR on-line, all you get is these idiots trying to kill you at any cost, even if you haven't joined a posse and are playing against them, making RDR multiplayer just annoying.

Bottom line, some people just ruin the whole fun of playing games on-line and good for them for getting banned if, in their behavior, were a nuisance to SC2 multiplayer.
 
[citation][nom]graham_71[/nom]...I suppose Blizzard could allow them to resume playing on battlenet but only in the 'Cheaters league'[/citation]
That's a brilliant idea.
They should have cheaters only servers. If a player is found to be a hacker or cheater, the player would only be allowed to play in a cheaters league or server.
Since they are all cheaters, they wouldn't mind playing with other cheaters.
 
[citation][nom]Goro[/nom]agree..and 90% of them are not what you would consider hackers they are nothing more then pest. Using somebody elses software clicking on a button is hardly hacking, they give the community a bad name. and Thank you Blizzard.[/citation]

First things first: I suck at SC2 MP, so, I doubt I'd personally be able to tell if someone was cheating, or they were just that much better than me. BUT, I really can't stand those people that use hacks/cheats/mods, etc. As stated so many times, there are NO harmless 3rd party addons. I really wish some of you would actually read the comments before you posted too, since I see a large amount of people repeating the same thing posted 4 pages ago...then 3 pages ago...and again at 2...etc.

Anyways, long story short, if you need to cheat to feel better about yourself in MP, msg me. I just saw an infomercial that had some pills to help your eepen out. Your's must be mighty small in order to resort to ruining other people's evenings. Late night rant over. Cheers.
 
Wow, so freakin tired I got a little side tracked, and, since you can't edit a post, I'll just add a little one here. Regards to the hacking: If you think you're a hacker cuz you dl'd a mod to cheat some kid out of standings on their ladder...Fail. That's like saying you're a computer programmer cuz you can log into Facebook.
 
Blizzard have banned less than 0.3% of Starcraft II accounts, and we don't have a breakdown of how many are temporary, and how many are permanent, just a consolidated figure, so they permanent ban could in theory be one poor sod who has been made an example of. This is nothing more than a token gesture from Bliz and this will likely be the last we hear of this. The use of the words Banned or suspended is the significant part of their statement, a suspension is a temporary measure and this has allowed them to inflate the already meagre figure of bans into a slightly less laughable percentage.
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]now i have to ask, what kind of cheaters where they?diablo 2 want made for the high resolution of wide screens today, you patch the game to work fullscreen on a 1920x1200 screen and you will get banned for cheating, even if thats the purpose of what you are doing. i want to know if these people were really cheating in game or if it was something harmless that got them banned.[/citation]

I believe that the people who claim Blizzard bans people for innocent activities are themselves involved in dishonest ones and are trying to muddy the waters. They are trying to gain sympathy, and are trying to misdirect attention from the real issue and suggest that Blizzard is dishonest instead.

Blizzard has made banning mistakes - and they have corrected their banning mistakes as well. Possibly some true innocents have slipped through the cracks, but the fact is, Blizzard allows for a lot of flexibility in how you play their on-line games and does their best not to interfere with a player's fun.

A quick search shows me there is there is an advantage gained in Diablo 2 when you play at a higher resolution than the game was made for, something alidan conveniently fails to mention. I don't play the game, so I don't know all the issues involved, but if Blizzard bans people for doing it there is a good reason. Otherwise, beware the crook crying foul to protect his/her own interests, and beware the rumor-monger taking a kernel of what really happened and turning it in to something else altogether out of ignorance.
 
Haven't had time to read all the comments so I don't know if it was asked, but if someone cheated in StarCraft 2 but never cheated in World of Warcraft, doesn't banning your Battle.net account disable both games if someone had both? That doesn't seem right to me. I hate cheaters as much as the next person but the ban should be per-game, not the entire account.
 
A cheeser cannon rushed me. I defeated it. He turtled up and went mass colossi. I expanded to every mineral patch on the map and made a bunch of phoenixes. He was a mid platinum player with over 350 wins. He became outraged when my phoenixes "attacked a ground unit" I told him I was hacking, and he became outraged. I hope he reports me for cheating... 🙂
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]Haven't had time to read all the comments so I don't know if it was asked, but if someone cheated in StarCraft 2 but never cheated in World of Warcraft, doesn't banning your Battle.net account disable both games if someone had both? That doesn't seem right to me. I hate cheaters as much as the next person but the ban should be per-game, not the entire account.[/citation]

That's the thing, though, they're taking that risk when they cheat. And for those complaining about them not getting any warnings, I remember reading an article about a month ago that said they'd start banning cheaters. If you want to play these new systems (steam, Battle.net, etc) you can't have any infraction in ANY game...otherwise you're screwed. I know Steam hasn't started doing it yet, but, if they do, a lot of people could be out quite a bit of money having multiple games tied to that single account.
 
It had to happen, cheating online just ruins the game. More importantly, what sort of satisfaction would the cheater gain from winning unfairly? Sounds like a pretty boring, unfulfilled victory if you cheated to get it.
 
Does anyone know how exactly they were cheating and hacking? I order for anyone to form and informed opinion about this they need the facts from an independent party. Only then can one determine if the punishment was fair or not.
 
Lets eliminate the foul-mouthed no-good wannabe gamers.

I honestly love the strictness of Blizzard and I wish more companies would do the same. Ban the serial number they used and say "Later Beeatch!" JMO
 
Does anyone know if you can play single person and use console cheat commands and stuff? or is the cheating ban just for multiplayer?

I have hesitated buying sc2 for that sole reason. I only play single person.
 
[citation][nom]TommyV[/nom]Does anyone know if you can play single person and use console cheat commands and stuff? or is the cheating ban just for multiplayer?I have hesitated buying sc2 for that sole reason. I only play single person.[/citation]

Console commands are built into the game, so those are allowed single player. http://www.starcraft2cheats.com/ . Keep in mind that you cannot earn achievements during cheating.
 
[citation][nom]el_bastardo74[/nom]i wonder how many of the 5000 were actually cheating? blizzard's notorious for swinging the ban hammer and not investigating thoroughly enough to weed out botters from legitimate accounts[/citation]

I'd assume in the case of Starcraft these individuals were actually cheating. Warcraft has a massive mod community and as such a massive grey area in terms of legit vs nonlegit mods.

Starcraft in comparison is a very closed game which makes it much easier to pick out cheaters, there really is no grey area.
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]now i have to ask, what kind of cheaters where they?diablo 2 want made for the high resolution of wide screens today, you patch the game to work fullscreen on a 1920x1200 screen and you will get banned for cheating, even if thats the purpose of what you are doing. i want to know if these people were really cheating in game or if it was something harmless that got them banned.[/citation]

Playing D2 at 1920*1200 is clearly cheating...
 
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