[SOLVED] Building a PC

[hadjipetroum007]

A friend of mine wants to build a gaming pc around 800-1000 and we both know that there are no gpus at a reasonable price atm. Will building a pc without a gpu or with an old one i got be any better, than nothing?
What should we do?

 

[Lutfij]

That depends, if you can even source an old GPU that isn't damaged or broken to the pint where gaming is impossible. You could go for an APU build, then add a discrete GPU in the build when things dial down but a discrete GPU to be found at a reasonable price, new or old, is near impossible in this current state of affairs.

 

[hadjipetroum007]

I currently have my very old GTX 660 (still works perfectly) but is that even worth it rather than an APU build

 

[logainofhades]

The graphics, in a GTX 660, is still more powerful, than any APU graphics. Just something to get an idea. Drop the GTX 660 in, until a better card is available, at a reasonable price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($175.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($84.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.97 @ Amazon)
Case: RIOTORO CR400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.63 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Custom: Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler w/ 5 Heat Pipes 120mm PWM Processor Fan Intel/AMD Universal Socket w/Addressable RGB Lights (V5, Black) ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $963.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-08 15:35 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

The price of the card is insane, but it is available at the time of posting. Just another option to game better...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-10400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor | $154.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 Blue 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler | $24.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Gigabyte B560M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard | $109.99 @ Newegg
Memory | Silicon Power 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $74.97 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB GAMING Twin Fan Video Card | $492.67 @ Amazon
Case | Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case | $39.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $54.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1036.59
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $1006.59
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-08 17:42 EDT-0400 |

 

[logainofhades]

I would not get that board. It will not run 10th gen, at 3200 ram speeds, and it lacks heatsinks, for the VRM.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560M-DS3H-rev-10/sp#sp

11th Generation Intel® Core™ i9/i7/i5 processors:
Support for DDR4 5333(O.C.) / DDR4 5133(O.C.) / DDR4 5000(O.C.) / 4933(O.C.) / 4800(O.C.) / 4700(O.C.) / 4600(O.C.) / 4500(O.C.) / 4400(O.C.) / 4300(O.C.) / 4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3800(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3666(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C.) / 3400(O.C.) / 3333(O.C.) / 3300(O.C.) / 3200 / 3000 / 2933 / 2800 / 2666 / 2400 / 2133 MHz
10th Generation Intel® Core™ i9/i7 processors:
Support for DDR4 2933/2666/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
10th Generation Intel® Core™ i5/i3/Pentium®/Celeron® processors:
Support for DDR4 2666/2400/2133 MHz memory modules

 

[Hellfire13]

It will scale down to 2666 auto which doesn't make much difference for Intel, but the 560 boards have OC options, as for the VRM, its a locked chip with a more than capable cooler listed for heat dissipation. There is a Direct 6+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution which should be adequate for a locked CPU. Also, the 560 chipset would keep upgrade paths open.

Edit: Here is a better board...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-10400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor | $154.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 Blue 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler | $24.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | ASRock B560M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard | $119.00 @ Amazon
Memory | Silicon Power 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $74.97 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB GAMING Twin Fan Video Card | $492.67 @ Amazon
Case | Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case | $39.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $54.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1045.60
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $1015.60
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-08 18:11 EDT-0400 |

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-focus-g-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352069
Fractal Design Focus G Black ATX Mid Tower Case $55.99

Exhaust fan for that case.

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EVGA 550 B5, 80+ BRONZE 550W, Modular Power Supply $50.00

Amazon.com: ASUS Prime B560M-A LGA 1200 (Intel 11th/10th Gen) micro ATX motherboard (PCIe 4.0,2x M.2 slots, 8 power stages, 1 Gb LAN, DP, dual HDMI,USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C,V-M.2-Key E slot for Wi-Fi,Aura Sync RGB): Computers & Accessories

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ASUS Prime B560M-A $109.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621132-REG/intel_bx8070811400_core_i5_11400_2_6_ghz.html
Intel Core i5-11400 $188.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JQ2YDCY
DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400 CPU Air Cooler $24.99

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354
Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 $82.99

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-1tb-ex2/p/N82E16820331541
Team Group EX2 2.5" 1TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal SSD $85.99

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164904549466
EVGA GeForce GTX 1650 Super SC Ultra 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card $380.00

Total: $985

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373608304632

ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6GB GDDR6 $411.00

Total: $1016

 

[logainofhades]

It will scale down to 2666 auto which doesn't make much difference for Intel, but the 560 boards have OC options, as for the VRM, its a locked chip with a more than capable cooler listed for heat dissipation. There is a Direct 6+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution which should be adequate for a locked CPU. Also, the 560 chipset would keep upgrade paths open.

GN's 10400 review would say otherwise. In gaming, an R3 3300x could beat a 10400, due to the ram speed limitation.

B560 is a bit of a mess, right now.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3AEj3x39vQ

 

[Hellfire13]

GN's 10400 review would say otherwise. In gaming, an R3 3300x could beat a 10400, due to the ram speed limitation.

B560 is a bit of a mess, right now.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3AEj3x39vQ

The same video puts it consistently better than all previous Ryzen with better speed and timing. Thats not a problem with the CPU, but memory limitations. The b560 is in early phase and with subsequent BIOS should fix the issues with OC. I dont remember Intel chipsets struggling with memory ever, like the earlier Ryzens.

 

[logainofhades]

The problem with B560 isn't memory, it is shoddy VRM design. You have to be really careful about which board you pick. With regards to ram speed, 2666 limits performance, even highly tuned 2666 it still falls short. I wouldn't recommend a 10th gen chip, in any B560 board that lacks physical VRM heatsinks, or doesn't support faster ram, from the start. Asrock, ironically, did it right, ram wise, with the B560m Pro4. They listed ram up to 4600mhz, with either. You do have to remove the power limits, to get the most out of it though. For a 10th or 11th gen i5, it should be plenty.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B560M Pro4/index.asp#Specification

That B560m-HDV is terrible board.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJVGghP514E&t=670s

 

[Why_Me]

GN's 10400 review would say otherwise. In gaming, an R3 3300x could beat a 10400, due to the ram speed limitation.

B560 is a bit of a mess, right now.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3AEj3x39vQ

Intel's 10th gen cpu's natively support 2933Mhz RAM while the 11th gen cpu's natively support 3200Mhz RAM. B460 boards are limited in regards to RAM speed .. B560 boards not so much.

i5 10400F w/3200Mhz RAM.

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[logainofhades]

Some B560 boards don't allow for ram overclocking with 10th gen, as stated earlier. A 10th gen i5 would be limited to 2666. You have to run an i7 for 2933.

 

[Why_Me]

Some B560 boards don't allow for ram overclocking with 10th gen, as stated earlier. A 10th gen i5 would be limited to 2666. You have to run an i7 for 2933.

I didn't know that. Looking at the B560 boards on Asus site just now I noticed they vary in supported RAM speeds from the cheaper boards to the more expensive boards.

 

[logainofhades]

Yea B560 is a mess of a chipset launch.

 

[Eximo]

Yea B560 is a mess of a chipset launch.

That is what happens when Intel reverses course in the middle of your product development cycle. So much backlash for not allowing memory overclocking on B460. Those manufacturer's with enough time to make modifications did so, the rest just released what they had likely already packaged for the launch.

 

[logainofhades]

That is what happens when Intel reverses course in the middle of your product development cycle. So much backlash for not allowing memory overclocking on B460. Those manufacturer's with enough time to make modifications did so, the rest just released what they had likely already packaged for the launch.

It's even a mess with regards to VRM and power limit specs. Intel really made things far more difficult, than was necessary.