[SOLVED] Can anyone help with advice, and recommendations, to beef up my old rig.

[Daynhg]

Nighthawk117

Once again, than you brilliant advice.

Which leave only one last question. (And thank you for the photos of the Dark Rock.)

With the .
MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI Micro-ATX Gaming Motherboard

And the.. Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 64GB, taking up all 4 slots.
If the.. BE QUIET BK021 Dark Rock 4 135 mm, sits just over the first RAM slot. Would that stop that slot being used? Or would the Corsair Vengeance fit beneath the cooler.
Sorry I didnt quite understad if it would, or if the cooler stopped the use of that slot.

And if this is the case, is there a a solution? Other than having the water cooler, which, as you said, considering both the noise, and that I dont have, or could not find a dusk "roof" cover, for my case.


I did find this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-PC4-25600-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07Y4ZZ7LQ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Corsair+VENGEANCE+LPX+64GB+2+x+32GB&qid=1638971111&sr=8-3&th=1

I found this 16GB. Is this Ram the same version, and as effective as the.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085SNLSX3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Or would you suggest a better option please?

Again thank you so much for this literally invaluable help.

 

[Nighthawk117]

Nighthawk117

Once again, than you brilliant advice.

Which leave only one last question. (And thank you for the photos of the Dark Rock.)

With the .
MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI Micro-ATX Gaming Motherboard

And the.. Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 64GB, taking up all 4 slots.
If the.. BE QUIET BK021 Dark Rock 4 135 mm, sits just over the first RAM slot. Would that stop that slot being used? Or would the Corsair Vengeance fit beneath the cooler.
Sorry I didnt quite understad if it would, or if the cooler stopped the use of that slot.

And if this is the case, is there a a solution? Other than having the water cooler, which, as you said, considering both the noise, and that I dont have, or could not find a dusk "roof" cover, for my case.


I did find this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-PC4-25600-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07Y4ZZ7LQ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Corsair+VENGEANCE+LPX+64GB+2+x+32GB&qid=1638971111&sr=8-3&th=1

I found this 16GB. Is this Ram the same version, and as effective as the.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085SNLSX3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Or would you suggest a better option please?

Again thank you so much for this literally invaluable help.

Hey @Daynhg

Full disclosure, I haven't used the Dark Rock 4 on one of my builds I just happen to be familiar with the range. In terms of the RAM issue, my expectation is that you would be able to fit all 4 RAM sticks, but that the Dark Rock 4 fan would sit only a tiny bit above the first RAM slot. BeQuiet! has some details on RAM clearance below, the Dark Rock 4 is at the end:

be quiet!

be quiet!

www.bequiet.com

As luck would have it, I have a kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX sitting on my desk. I've just measured it, Corsair says 33.53mm tall, that looks right to me, it looks like it would be around 32mm (possibly a hair less) tall once you plugged it into the board. I would have thought you could make that work personally.

The 2x32GB kit you've found would also avoid any potential issues with RAM clearance. On modern motherboards you would normally populate the 2nd RAM slot first and then the 4th to achieve dual channel. I've checked the manual for the MSI MAG B560M and this is also true here. You can find the details on page 30:
https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/E7D17v1.1.pdf

If noise is important to you then you will be happier with the air cooler.

 

[Daynhg]

Hey @Nighthawk117

This was really interesting, and as usual super informative.
Thank you.

Its great to hear that I could use the Dark Rock, and have the clearance, even if its a hairs width. As I do feel more comfortable with the air cooler.

So by this result, that would mean that I actually could go with the 2 x 32gb sticks (linked before.)
Meaning, as, and when, I can afford a new GPU, I could purchase another 2 x 32GM of the same RAM, and upgrade to 128GB for help with Blender?
Assuming the "MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI" motherboard would accommodate 128GB RAM.
Is this right please?

And 2 associated questions. I hope really you don't mind.
1- Was the 2 x 32 GB Corsair RAM the exact same version as the 4 x 16Gb you recommended? <- As powerful / fast, and the same dimensions to fit under the cooler.

2- And (really thick question here.) When you said the 2nd and 4th slot, (and I could Google it, as It was 6 years since I built this PC.) But hope you dont mind me asking you. Is the 4th slot, the one beneath the Cooler, or the right hand side slot.
Again, I am just wondering. As, if the 2 x 32 RAM, is the same version, as the 4 x 16GB you linked.. (and so worth buying) it would also fit under the Dark Rock cooler?

Again sorry for the intricate detail to these final questions. I want to order the items, and just crossing the T's with your expert, excellent help, and guidance.

 

[Nighthawk117]

Yes you could go with the 2 x 32GB sticks you found. Yes the MSI B560M MAG MORTAR will support 128GB of RAM, though it does seem like a lot of RAM to pair with a 6 core chip but I couldn't comment on the performance gains, I know Blender can be a memory hog.

1- Was the 2 x 32 GB Corsair RAM the exact same version as the 4 x 16Gb you recommended? <- As powerful / fast, and the same dimensions to fit under the cooler.
It's basically the same thing but with double the RAM chips, you won't notice any difference in performance between them and yes same dimensions.

2- And (really thick question here.) When you said the 2nd and 4th slot, (and I could Google it, as It was 6 years since I built this PC.) But hope you dont mind me asking you. Is the 4th slot, the one beneath the Cooler, or the right hand side slot.
Again, I am just wondering. As, if the 2 x 32 RAM, is the same version, as the 4 x 16GB you linked.. (and so worth buying) it would also fit under the Dark Rock cooler?

No the first slot will be the one that sits under the cooler, the 4th would be to the right hand side. This is why with two sticks you definitely won't have a problem because you don't need the first slot anyway. The Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 modules are all physically identical in appearance and dimensions so if one fit's they will all fit.

A note for upgrading RAM should you ever need to do it, you will have to buy an identical Corsair kit to what you have. Also mixing RAM sticks that didn't all come in the same kit can sometimes mean they don't like running in XMP (full speed) together. Intel CPU's though are much less fussy and I haven't experienced any issue doing this on any of my Intel chips, 3200Mhz also tends to have less compatibility issues.

 

[Daynhg]

Hey Nighthawk117

All of the guys on this superbly helpful thread, have been brilliant.
And I thank them all. 👍

But you, have surpassed anything I could have asked for.
I honestly cannot thank you enough.

Seriously, I bow to your utterly incredible expertise, patience, time given, and amazing guidance.
As well as now knowing exactly ... "literally exactly" what I need to purchase.
I have also learned a ton from you.

Thank you Nighthawk117
So very much. 💯🥇

 

[Nighthawk117]

Hey @Daynhg

Thank you

Feel free to let us know how it goes.

One last note, in order to get the most out of your new chip you will need to change the power limit in the bios. There's a CPU Tuning option, the default is Boxed Cooler and 125W, you will need to change this to Tower Air Cooler 255W (this is what you need the big cooler for).

https://gtek.in/f/msi-b560m-mortar-wifi-memory-oc-review?blogcategory=Builds#:~:text=MSI%20has%20included%20a%20simpler,water%20cooling%20on%20the%20CPU

You can ignore all the memory OC stuff in the above, you just need XMP enabled for that, but it does illustrate the power limit bit.

Enjoy your upgrade