China Expects to Compete with Intel, in 20 Years

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Articles saying such and such will happen in 20 years are guessing. China right now largely makes inferior copies of goods designed elsewhere and as an economy they have yet to learn to distinguish between cheap and good, but make no mistake, while they have not yet "arrived" in terms of being leading innovators the capability is certainly there. I manage a team in China and while wages right now are very low relative to North America/Western Europe, in the built up urban areas like Shanghai skilled labor is only roughly half what it costs in North America BUT, and this is the kicker, wages are increasing at a much faster rate than NAM (average wage increases are ~10% per annum for qualified university engineering graduate in China versus closer to ~3% per annum in NAM so at that rate of differential, in 20 years there will be wage parity and any economic advantage will have been lost (think of Japan 40 years ago). China simply wants to have technological independence but make no mistake the Intels of the world will not be standing still in the meantime.
 
[citation][nom]m84399[/nom]In 20 years we won't be using silicone chips. Quantum computers, here we come!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W4e7ZE0Nv0[/citation]
Yeah, we don't use silicone chips even now. We use silicon!
 
Don’t want to go off topic about steal fighter jets, but highly doubt it was copied, considering the American stealth fighter is highly classified, and it’s nearly impossible to copy it if you do not have access to it.
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They actually have access to a lot of our "classified" tech through an extensive spy network rivaled only by the russians. They have weapon secrets like much our nuclear arsenal and submarine tech. Infact when the stealth fighter was shot down chinese spys were paying farmers for little pieces.
 
[citation][nom]bondnumber[/nom]Just so you know there is a small difference between copy and invent.[/citation]

LOL I was thinking the same
 
They use 20 years because by then all of the current patents will have expired, so they can use todays technology and sell outside of china in 20 years without infringing today patents.
 
Please stop saying that everything China produces is crap. Yes, some are absolute crap but some are very good product. I know because I have been to an expo there and I have seen very very good product. It only depends on what are you willing to pay. However if you what everything to be cheap then you are definitely good to get the "Made in China" in every product you get. you get what you pay for. Let´s take my tennis racquet, for example, it is a Head flexpoint midplus, used by Pro tennis player Marat Safin, it says designed in Austria, Made in China. Does that mean that it is a bad product? NO, it is a very good product used by someone who played professional tennis.
I think that nobody has a crystal ball but stop bashing a country just because it is not your homeland. Does it matter if China is going to compete with Intel in 20 years? NO. If they can good for them, if not, maybe next time.
Just because the USA has the best things right know, it doesn´t mean that it will continue having the best in the future.
And please do not mistake America with the United States of America. It shows very little general knowledge from the people who say they are american when in fact, they are just US citizens. America is a continent where USA, Canada, Mexico and a bunch of other countries are part of. Or do you Chinese call themselves Asians? They call themselves Chinese. because Asian include other nations people. If you guys do not believe me please go to to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas and you will see what does america mean.
Sorry for my English as it is not my fist language.
 
I don't know about loongson cpus, but I see arm cpu's have come to leap and bounds in the last year alone. I would not be surprised arm cpus will overleap intel in 20 years.
 
feryao I will commend you on your English being that it isn't your primary language, but also remember that the USA is a prime target for many things such as: slobs, pigs, wasteful people, and idiots plus the essential rednecks that drive in their trucks all day with snarling gas guzzlers. We are simply stating the stereotypic verbal abuse that we get because not all of us are like the mentioned idiots in my small but quite viewed area of my life (though I am not one of them). We just like to rag a little on others nothing against them *cough* copyrighters *cough*. Fun and games tis all.
 
China will not be successful unless the strengthen their copy right and patent laws. China is great at producing. However producing ideas is not a strong point. An idea used to be protected strongly in the USA. It was the idea that made Microsoft and Apple and Model T FORD and millions of other great companies and products. All the things that made the USA great it was not the GOVT to create the ideas. It was private people with a GOVT that protected those ideas so they could mature and become successful. People will only invest in the idea when they are protected. Or else they will get copied and will be much harder for anything to be great. (They could just buy Intel/AMD by then, or both for that matter)
 
@feryao

People from the US are called Americans, numb nut. United States of AMERICA.

AMERICA --> AMERICAN

How you fail to see this amazes me. When people say America it means the USA, otherwise you would say NORTH/SOUTH America.

"Are you from America?"

Canadian: "No"
American: "Yes"
Mexican: "No"

 
hey all those retarded fucktard who think them self r so superior in everything ......
u guys ever heard that CHINESE invent gun powder that use on ur mighty stealth fighter today ? and the compass and many many things that been copied by the west lately ...... why can't u dumpass realize that the world was just like that , noone will be superior forever , u learn from me and i learn from u ...... forever will be , just look at the tech on Intel and AMD , AMD learn from Intel at the begin , and then how many tech that Intel took from them lately ......
 
Wow so much jealousy from westerner! LOL... why are you guys so scared?!?

Look behind your monitor, desktop, laptop, lcd, led, plasma and tell me where its been made....

Chinese copy, dont invent argument.... but what some stupid westerner dont know is that lots OF THEIR OWN INVENTION were made by CHINESE immigrants LOL...!

in case some of us are too stupid... LEARNING starts with COPYING/IMMITATION and afterward, you IMPROVE and later on, invent....

anyway we can cry all over the place... it wont change anything....
i`m WEARING NIKE shoes, they are made in China and their quality is very good.
and its not chinese that are deciding the quality... ITS N-I-K-E!!!!
 
Not really scared since China can't produce an engineer worth a damn. Can they memorize textbooks: yep. Can they be creative: nope, their society doesn't approve of creativity. Everything that is inferior is made in China.

Anyways wasn't there an XKCD strip a year ago: when they say next quarter, they mean maybe. When they say 20 years, they mean never.
 
[citation][nom]andy5174[/nom]Republic of China (Taiwan) is NOT the China referred to here. I am sure you know this very well![/citation]
What a troll. Intel is designed in silicon valley with many other great "American technology companies. They are made in China because it is cheaper for US company. It is well known that China copy and steals technology from other countries though espionage and hacking. You are denying the reality that the US is what feeds china and we are tied together economically. China doesn't play fair economics either with
The U.S. is one of China's primary suppliers of semiconductors and electronic components, power-generating equipment, aircraft and parts, computers and industrial machinery, raw materials, waste and scrap, and chemical and agricultural products[citation needed]. However, U.S. exporters continue to have concerns about fair market access due to China's restrictive trade policies and U.S. export restrictions[dubious – discuss][citation needed]. Intellectual property theft makes many foreign companies wary of doing business in mainland China."
China is poor with a per capita GDP of $7,518. China GDP since it plays by its own rules by deceiving others.
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]So in 20 years, Intel will pull an IBM and retreat to the enterprise only sector because they can't compete with the el-cheapo CPUs that everyone will be buying up to support foreign economies instead of their own.Even China knows this and is going to start using their own processors instead of supporting an external economy... It's too bad America doesn't realize how stupid it is.[/citation]

[citation][nom]andy5174[/nom]Republic of China (Taiwan) is NOT the China referred to here. I am sure you know this very well![/citation]

What a troll. Intel is designed in silicon valley with many other great "American technology companies. They are made in China because it is cheaper for US company. It is well known that China copy and steals technology from other countries though espionage and hacking. You are denying the reality that the US is what feeds china and we are tied together economically. China doesn't play fair economics either with
The U.S. is one of China's primary suppliers of semiconductors and electronic components, power-generating equipment, aircraft and parts, computers and industrial machinery, raw materials, waste and scrap, and chemical and agricultural products[citation needed]. However, U.S. exporters continue to have concerns about fair market access due to China's restrictive trade policies and U.S. export restrictions[dubious – discuss][citation needed]. Intellectual property theft makes many foreign companies wary of doing business in mainland China."
China is poor with a per capita GDP of $7,518. China GDP is no honest benchmark of Chinas economy since it plays by its own rules and deceives others. BTW China has yet to put its "stealth fighter" in service. F-22 is the only true 5th Generation Stealth Fighter Jet. Its has the most advance avionics and radars which China so badly wishes to steal and copy. You are the one suffering from Chinese propaganda machine.
 
[citation][nom]omnimodis78[/nom]You know you're talking nonsense - not to mention, if the Americans are so great at everything, then you have nothing to worry about. Sadly, what exactly are the Americans superior in? Please let me know. Oh right, computer stuff right? Hmm...I guess Taiwan (Republic of China), isn't relevant in that field, right? Dude, everything in your computer IS from China!!![/citation]


Get off your high horse you snide brit. The Germans design and make your cars now. There is no more Britsh empire. England is now eggland.
 
As a Brit, I find all these generalisations quite off-putting. Luckily, I don't see you in the same way, aciaman, as I simply refuse to believe the rest of the population in your beautiful country is as narrow-minded as you are (I, personally, have no issues with Japan and wish it well with its recovery following recent, tragic events, and applaud the use of British taxpayers' money to aid with the search and rescue effort). Moreover, you've copied a Wikipedia comment and haphazardly merged it with your own viewpoints yet you are accusing the Chinese of copying and pasting... are you truly being objective here? I couldn't care less that there's no British Empire anymore. We still make cars in the UK, just not anywhere near to the extent that we used to, and in general our manufacturing sector has been declining for a long period of time, but we're not the only country to be experiencing such conditions.

Let's see what China comes up with, and let's also bear in mind that Beijing was furious that a Chinese firm was accused of trying to steal secret green technology from French car manufacturer Renault, so perhaps China isn't the evil some of us perceive it to be.
 
I don't care much for the "omgz made in China" argument. The one thing I will point out is the probability of whether China will use its "hey you can't sell stuff Intel/AMD in China anymore" approach. They have and still currently restrict market competition (ie. Google, Skype, etc) in tons of the tech sector. This simply means they get more money and revenue without having to really compete domestically. Internationally, however, it's a harder sales point.

From an R&D perspective its really Samsung and Intel that have the tech for scaling chipsets. From a public and market perspective, as far as processor chips go, it is still going to be Intel and AMD that exists in the mind of the consumer. Frankly introducing a longshoon chipset to the public consciousness is like explaining to tons of consumers why Dell is pretty crappy.

Side note: using wiki to make a point is simply pathetic. It really is. This isn't the spanish inquisition. Simply make a point and don't go off-track and mock someone about their usage of "American". Hey I'm asian and yes part chinese and mostly Filipino and yes born in the US and also call myself "american". Its culturally based so really now, did you have to wiki something to make a point. Frankly you did and only shows how personal you took a point.

At the end it isn't about what is/isn't made in China it really boils down to can it compete with Intel/AMD without special assistance from the government? No I don't think so. Can it gain consumer confidence and approval the way Intel/AMD does? Frankly AMD is having a hard time in this area so adding a 3rd company who is even far less known isn't helpful at all. Ask Asus even when it comes to computer sales; they make a good quality product but even they find out when it comes to selling computers they still have a tough time generating interest and gaining customers. Probably the most important point is Longshoon is in a game of "catching up", AMD and Intel are not; they are competitive against one another and, unlike the US car industry in the 1970/80's when facing competition from Japan, do not have their guard down and pulling no stops competing with each other. What longshoon has to realize they are not catching up to the Intel/AMD of this year, they have to catchup to what will come out in 20 years.

Sorry wall~o~text lol!
 
They can NOW! coz they hacked Intel! they now know how to build a CPU,
this was done before by Russians i think...... but not hacking, but through spies..
 
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