China Moves Toward One CPU Architecture to Rule Them All

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[citation][nom]xerroz[/nom]Smart move. This would strengthen the Chinese's economy and keep billions and billions of Yuan from getting out of the country and instead, keep the money within their borders to improve their nation.Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.[/citation]

Yes they do all that and more by dictating it from the top and removing individual citizen's free will in the process.

Sorry, I'll take a few less jobs in exchange for the freedom to pick what I do for a living.
 
[citation][nom]guardianangel42[/nom]Yes they do all that and more by dictating it from the top and removing individual citizen's free will in the process.Sorry, I'll take a few less jobs in exchange for the freedom to pick what I do for a living.[/citation]

He/she wasn't saying the he/she approved of it (at least I don't think so), but that China could benefit from it substantially.
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Any chip designer/manufacturer could do that. That China's government wants to be more involved in their country's technological development does not mean that they suddenly become the only group capable of this.[/citation]

True, but China seems to be the only one that wants to. Let's face it, those sorts of actions by China are why government employees can't use flash drives on work computers.

 
i don't really give two flying F's.
intels cpu id tracking feature since P3 is communist enough, don't need any more tyrannical tracking chips in america.
 
[citation][nom]f-14[/nom]i don't really give two flying F's.intels cpu id tracking feature since P3 is communist enough, don't need any more tyrannical tracking chips in america.[/citation]

No license plate on your pickup truck either ?

What's the big deal about a CPU id?
Would make it easier to find/track hackers, spammers, identity thieves, pedophiles, drug dealers and terrorists to name a few.
 
[citation][nom]freggo[/nom]Yeah, and the western world does not do that.Fireworks, Gunpowder, Pasta, Paper, Printing, your Compass to name a few are all courtesy of China.[/citation]

yeah not like the western world hasn't invented anything, jet engines, trains, cars, glass, telescopes, mechanical clock, rockets, computers & planes just to name a few

i always think theres 2 chinas, the old china that was inventive but a little backwards & new commie china that copies everyone.
 
More competition and diversification is not a bad thing, that is if the new Chinese CPUs will be compatible with existing software and will be available in Western countries, I hope to see a European company stepping up as well.
 
This is great if you want everyone in your country having equal computing power. I wonder though how they will keep the citizens from buying computer products from western developers since they assemble most of them.
 
[citation][nom]bit_user[/nom]Yeah, and Brazil sued the US for it, and now the US is paying Billions, anually, in fines. I don't know about Mali.Actually, I think you're half-right. No reason to be surprised. However, for capitalism to work, you need to have a level playing field. When one group tries to bias the system in some way, the fairness and effectiveness of the whole system is compromised. That's why I think there's just cause to be angry about governments doing anti-competitive things.What I worry about is how this move may affect me as a user of computers and electronic goods. Is their architecture going to handicap the performance of any code running on it that wasn't digitally signed by the Chinese Government?[/citation]

No its always one sided, so long as the U.S. gets what it wants it wont intervene in its own capitalist ways. But if there comes a time where it will harm the U.S. it will intervene and stop it...just like when China wanted to buy out the U.S. oil companies. According to the rules and laws of capitalism it was possible, but the U.S. just didn't want to allow it.

Goes to show the power of greed, which is all that capitalism is based on and is the reason why it is not the best system to adopt. If I was to tell you of the best system, you will only look away and rather go for an inferior option. The way my option would work would = slower growth but steady and even growth that would help everyone in the country, not just select few.
 
[citation][nom]freggo[/nom]Yeah, and the western world does not do that.Fireworks, Gunpowder, Pasta, Paper, Printing, your Compass to name a few are all courtesy of China.[/citation]

They did not only copy but also improved the technology.
Western world also improve the paper quality, printing, and invented TNT.

Nowadays, there is time limit on patent of every technology, and in old days, there was no concept of IP protection.
Also the other difference is many Chinese copied other's work and claimed they had invented, and not giving any credit to the original inventors.

BTW Chinese is not the sole inventor of paper, Egypt also invented paper long before Chinese did.

I'm a Chinese as well, but also realize that the technology we enjoy today are predominantly contributed by Western world.
Here, I have to give credit for China to make all the gadgets :)

PS: Do not "masturbate" too much, it is bad for you.
 
[citation][nom]bells101[/nom]All they will do is change the name x86-64 to c86-64 and pretend its a novel invention.[/citation]

It's the commie way. People who grow up under communism tend to have no creative ability. They just copy.
 
[citation][nom]azz156[/nom]yeah not like the western world hasn't invented anything, jet engines, trains, cars, glass, telescopes, mechanical clock, rockets, computers & planes just to name a fewi always think theres 2 chinas, the old china that was inventive but a little backwards & new commie china that copies everyone.[/citation]

Um the Chinese invented the rocket, but the western world did invent the liquid fuel rocket and pretty much advance rocket technology from being a pretty crude device.
 
[citation][nom]hiryu[/nom]They did not only copy but also improved the technology.Western world also improve the paper quality, printing, and invented TNT.Nowadays, there is time limit on patent of every technology, and in old days, there was no concept of IP protection.Also the other difference is many Chinese copied other's work and claimed they had invented, and not giving any credit to the original inventors.BTW Chinese is not the sole inventor of paper, Egypt also invented paper long before Chinese did.I'm a Chinese as well, but also realize that the technology we enjoy today are predominantly contributed by Western world.Here, I have to give credit for China to make all the gadgets PS: Do not "masturbate" too much, it is bad for you.[/citation]


I agree with most of what you say except the part about masturbation.
 
[citation][nom]madjimms[/nom]Communism doesn't kill people, Fascist dictators do.... Learn the meaning of the political system before you bash it like the rest of these "Amerrrkins"...[/citation]

Tell me an instance where communism gets implemented without having an oppressive dictatorship. An oppressive dictatorship is inherently an integral part of communism. Because Communism involves giving ALL the power to the government. Keep in mind that in regards to communism when there is a reference to "The People" it never means the actual people, it always means "The Government". The only reason our government and many other first world country's don't have a super oppressive government is because of the limited power of our government. Although our government has gotten more oppressive because they have managed to weasel more power for themselves. Which proves my point. If you think communism is good for the citizens then go and live in a communist country and see how that works out for ya. And also compare how poor people live in China and then look at how they live here and tell me which country is better to be poor in. A few years back some the Chinese people forgot that they lived in a communist dictatorship and decided to have a peaceful demonstration at the public square. The army came out with their machine guns and started spraying them down. And don't think they wouldn't do it again. The commies also like to talk about being "Harmonious" Which simply means do not dare question the authority of the government...Or else Tienanmen Square was not that long ago and it's still the same oppressive communist government And don't even try the lame excuse that communism has never truly been implemented and if it ever was it would be great. Communism is an extremely oppressive form of government, it is what it is. Genius.
 
[citation][nom]bringmeanother[/nom]I dont get it, why would you care about some other country's policy? If they want to squash competition and impoverish themselves, it is their right and no other nation has the right to interfere in their internal affairs unless they have signed some kind of trade treaty.[/citation]

Think this way: 90% of any electronics have been made by china or have parts made in china (televisions, phones, computers, network devices - yes, they are named like cisco or juniper but the boards are made by huawei or zte). Would you like to buy a range of products crippled by some stupid law sign by stupid politicians? Look at acta - no body likes it but some bright minds (they shine with stupidity) sign it...
 
Any company looking to license their cpu's to China should be very wary about handing over technology to China.
Japan learned this the hard way when they sold their bullet trains to China and gave the Chinese information on key components of the high tech trains. The idea was that China would continue to buy trains from Japan but what do you know, shortly after purchasing the Japanese trains the Chinese announced that they were able to develop their own bullet train from scratch.
Everyone knows the Chinese copied the Japanese designs but the Chinese courts don't care about patents if the patent holder isn't a Chinese company.
 
[citation][nom]digiex[/nom]^^Yeah, a superpower and a very dangerous one, look what is happening now in south east asia, claiming territories way beyond their shoreline.[/citation]
You mean like the US did when it became big? I applaud China for unifying.
 
[citation][nom]garrick[/nom]Any company looking to license their cpu's to China should be very wary about handing over technology to China. Japan learned this the hard way when they sold their bullet trains to China and gave the Chinese information on key components of the high tech trains. The idea was that China would continue to buy trains from Japan but what do you know, shortly after purchasing the Japanese trains the Chinese announced that they were able to develop their own bullet train from scratch. Everyone knows the Chinese copied the Japanese designs but the Chinese courts don't care about patents if the patent holder isn't a Chinese company.[/citation]
Patents are stupid to begin with.... If you don't have an invention that improved society, you shouldn't profit from it.
 
[citation][nom]bit_user[/nom]1. Make a CPU architecture & get everyone to use it.2. Cripple any code not digitally signed by the Chinese Government.3. ???4. Profit!If they follow this scheme, they can create a huge competitive advantage for their own domestic software vendors. If a foreigner wants to get their code signed, the Chinese could require it be submitted for "security review", which could take an arbitrarily long time and carry huge fees.This could open huge new vistas for both government control and really put foreign software vendors at a disadvantage. They could even use it to prevent any OS from running on the chip that doesn't have back doors created for them.[/citation]

It's not about profit, it's about control. They want easily hackable hardware/software.
 
Once upon a time, not so long ago, US military regs required that every part in every military device be sourceable from the US or a first-tier ally. This was to prevent the possibility of being caught in a war against the very country that made essential parts for weapons, and being left defenseless.

China is and has been in an economic war with the rest of the world for decades. The funny thing about it is that most of the people in the rest of the world are too blind, ignorant, or unwilling to accept it.

Look at what China - a nation-state - does with their corporate espionage, their organized hacking, and even their economic policy with the Yuan. You don't see the French government hacking Intel for CPU designs, or Italy hacking MSFT for O/S code. But it is my impression based on news articles and the statements of one SecState that the Chinese government takes an active role in helping its corporations through corporate espionage. The government steals ideas, IP and information, and gives that to its corporations to (unfairly) help them compete.

China is on a wild grab for resources that spans the globe, including water, energy, rare minerals and arrable land. Why? Because there are fewer of all of these than are demanded by 7 billion people. China is ensuring the ability to support its own population - clearly a good thing - but they are also creating barriers to economic and militaristic competition by denying access of resources to other economies.

Now think about this CPU concept from an economic warfare standpoint. What revenue flows from China to the US, and what technologies would they need to have in-house if that war ever escalated from economic to militaristic? CPUs are right up there on the list. The Chinese are already buying the arrable land in the US that they need to grow food. They already have most of the source code from most of the recent editions of Windows, SQL Server, etc. - not to mention open-source software that they can simply take at their leisure. But CPU sources are hard to replace, and they also command a profit stream. But if China - a nation-state - puts its full economic support into R&D to develop and improve upon CPU technology, how can even a company as powerful and innovative as Intel compete with that? After all, they're just a company, and they'd be losing the customer base represented by 1/7th of the world's population right off the bat. China then starts selling CPUs for cheap (at first kinda like VIA competitors, I would imagine), but gradually catches up to and eventually out-strips technology at Intel and AMD.

When China no longer needs anything from the US or its other trading "partners", that's when I'll be truly afraid, and TBH we all should be - whether we're European, American, or Asian.
 
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