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[citation][nom]Marco925[/nom]Some of us would like to access that market for Sale. We open our market to them, and they in return impose huge tariffs and go out of their way to make sure they don't buy western products. Kinda lop sided eh?[/citation]
The USA sent Admiral Perry to Japan to open their market by force. I guess you are suggestion a similar action against China ?
Pretty arrogant I think. They did not force US to buy their products.
It may be unfair, but no country has the 'right' to be given equal treatment when it comes to trading and looking how our corporations (Cocal Cola, MdD etc.) export their unhealthy crap into any place know to man WE should shut up and actually MAKE something worth exporting.
The USA sent Admiral Perry to Japan to open their market by force. I guess you are suggestion a similar action against China ?
Pretty arrogant I think. They did not force US to buy their products.
It may be unfair, but no country has the 'right' to be given equal treatment when it comes to trading and looking how our corporations (Cocal Cola, MdD etc.) export their unhealthy crap into any place know to man WE should shut up and actually MAKE something worth exporting.
Smart move. This would strengthen the Chinese's economy and keep billions and billions of Yuan from getting out of the country and instead, keep the money within their borders to improve their nation.
Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.
Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.
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Nothing to worry about!
US Took years to get where they are now!
China won't just create the most efficient, best performing chip yet!
At least not this decade!
US Took years to get where they are now!
China won't just create the most efficient, best performing chip yet!
At least not this decade!
[citation][nom]cheepstuff[/nom]Enforcing one architecture means necessarily excluding others. If they strictly enforce a single architecture among manufacturers, and disallow other possibilities, they are shooting themselves in the foot by restricting innovation. The whole reason a variety of architectures are roaming the marketplace is because consumers have a use for them. If one instruction set met all consumer requirements to begin with, there would be only one kind of instruction set. Suppose an revolutionary instruction set is invented in ten years, the Chinese will lag behind the rest of the world because government officials cannot evolve as fast as a free market.Centrally planned shenanigans like this will hurt the Chinese people. A government should not needlessly take away the rights of the consumers to choose the product they want to buy just because a bureaucrat thinks they have an original idea.[/citation]
It's the good old protectionism.
[citation][nom]xerroz[/nom]Smart move. This would strengthen the Chinese's economy and keep billions and billions of Yuan from getting out of the country and instead, keep the money within their borders to improve their nation.Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.[/citation]
In the 1920's, the American business people and politicians thought it would be a great idea to slap a stupidly large tariff on all imports, some imports even had as high as 60% tariffs. Their reasoning? To protect their booming economy.
But tariffs was a game that everyone could play. So Europe and other countries slapped tariffs onto their imports, including American exports. Then global trade crashed.
Needless to say, it helped set the stage of the global depression of the 1930's.
Did the Americans succeed in stopping their dollars from leaving their country? Yes. Did it help their economy? In the very short run, until the 1929s.
And before a flamer calls out at me as an anti-American, I'm a US citizen who's studying for the Advanced Placement US History test.
It's the good old protectionism.
[citation][nom]xerroz[/nom]Smart move. This would strengthen the Chinese's economy and keep billions and billions of Yuan from getting out of the country and instead, keep the money within their borders to improve their nation.Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.[/citation]
In the 1920's, the American business people and politicians thought it would be a great idea to slap a stupidly large tariff on all imports, some imports even had as high as 60% tariffs. Their reasoning? To protect their booming economy.
But tariffs was a game that everyone could play. So Europe and other countries slapped tariffs onto their imports, including American exports. Then global trade crashed.
Needless to say, it helped set the stage of the global depression of the 1930's.
Did the Americans succeed in stopping their dollars from leaving their country? Yes. Did it help their economy? In the very short run, until the 1929s.
And before a flamer calls out at me as an anti-American, I'm a US citizen who's studying for the Advanced Placement US History test.
[citation][nom]Marco925[/nom]Some of us would like to access that market for Sale. We open our market to them, and they in return impose huge tariffs and go out of their way to make sure they don't buy western products. Kinda lop sided eh?[/citation]
No, you are completely distorting the truth. Almost every year, US government imposes anti-dumping or other huge trade tariffs on Chinese products without any backing evidence.
Last year, USA government blocks Huawei from bidding Nation LTE network by claiming Huawei has internal relation with PLA. Using the same logic, China should stops buying all Boeing products because Boeing is producing F-15 and F-18 for the US air force.
The US government is the one that keeps violating the principles of free market, and I don't understand why the American people have the moral superiority to blame China.
No, you are completely distorting the truth. Almost every year, US government imposes anti-dumping or other huge trade tariffs on Chinese products without any backing evidence.
Last year, USA government blocks Huawei from bidding Nation LTE network by claiming Huawei has internal relation with PLA. Using the same logic, China should stops buying all Boeing products because Boeing is producing F-15 and F-18 for the US air force.
The US government is the one that keeps violating the principles of free market, and I don't understand why the American people have the moral superiority to blame China.
[citation][nom]digiex[/nom]^^Yeah, a superpower and a very dangerous one, look what is happening now in south east asia, claiming territories way beyond their shoreline.[/citation]
Claiming territories beyond their shoreline...then I guess the Falkland islands is Argentina's territory and Guam and Wake Island is close to the "US shoreline"?
Good use of double standard.
Claiming territories beyond their shoreline...then I guess the Falkland islands is Argentina's territory and Guam and Wake Island is close to the "US shoreline"?
Good use of double standard.
(American here)
People,
We don't know what this means, it's never happen before.
Did anyone here want Intel and AMD to put half ass GPUs into their CPUs? Why did that happen? Intel has a monopoly and dictates how things will happen. If this chip coming out of China will lessen the Wintel Monopoly I'm all for it.
People,
We don't know what this means, it's never happen before.
Did anyone here want Intel and AMD to put half ass GPUs into their CPUs? Why did that happen? Intel has a monopoly and dictates how things will happen. If this chip coming out of China will lessen the Wintel Monopoly I'm all for it.
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I wonder the new architecture will be named "People's Liberation Architecture". It will be designed to spy on anyone using it and control their software. Perhaps it will be easy to firewall any content the government considers "anti-national".
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[citation][nom]freggo[/nom]Yeah, and the western world does not do that.Fireworks, Gunpowder, Pasta, Paper, Printing, your Compass to name a few are all courtesy of China.[/citation]
No... not really, which is why you couldn't come up with anything more recent, like within the last 500 years. Inventions are NEVER EVER plentiful in cultures where collective conformity is valued over individual enterprise which has long been the case in China and, coincidently, is why you'd be hard pressed to find any invention coming out of an Islamic country, too. Well, you know... aside from the self-detonating kiddie.
No... not really, which is why you couldn't come up with anything more recent, like within the last 500 years. Inventions are NEVER EVER plentiful in cultures where collective conformity is valued over individual enterprise which has long been the case in China and, coincidently, is why you'd be hard pressed to find any invention coming out of an Islamic country, too. Well, you know... aside from the self-detonating kiddie.
Gee, I wonder where the Chinese could have possibly obtained the technology to build their own CPU architecture, hmm? Could it be that they might have copied something that the United States asked them to build on their behalf? Could it be that they ignored those non-disclosure agreements and stolen some of that technology? Could it be that some of the engineers working for American companies as US citizens were really loyal to their Chinese homeland, and stole American technology for the benefit of China? Say it isn't so!
[citation][nom]xerroz[/nom]Smart move. This would strengthen the Chinese's economy and keep billions and billions of Yuan from getting out of the country and instead, keep the money within their borders to improve their nation.Gotta hand it to the Chinese, they're very smart when it comes to their future and development. Unlike a certain already developed nation, they don't let entire industries move overseas to other countries where millions of jobs are created and where interests are more on the basis of becoming highly developed - to grow as a nation as a whole - instead of filling the pockets of giant corporations who are allowed to get around tax loopholes thus denying their own people of tax money and millions of jobs. Decades from now the Chinese will be the top superpower and the people from the nation that used to be on top will be wondering why and only then will they realize their mistake. They won't realize right now when the tide can still be turned.[/citation]
So smart they will be copying Western CPU architecture so save "billions and billions". Country of the biggest pirates/copy-cats of the world.
So smart they will be copying Western CPU architecture so save "billions and billions". Country of the biggest pirates/copy-cats of the world.
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I would initially be inclined to say this will end up biting them in the arse since there would be no competition with regard to R&D.
But then I thought... All U.S. corporations send our technology their way for production. All they have to do is use U.S. companies' production plans and steal the latest tech whenever they need an upgrade.
But then I thought... All U.S. corporations send our technology their way for production. All they have to do is use U.S. companies' production plans and steal the latest tech whenever they need an upgrade.
Few comments:
First of all, despite all of the whining about the USA being the world "superpower" and all terrible things they have done ... I would prefer if the USA remained the super power simply because: "Better the devil you know". Sure the US has done some stupid things but they haven't been THAT much of a mistake. Who knows if China would do any better as the "superpower" ... if they even want the role. As the USA has proven it is a certain way to send your government bankrupt! And lets face it, providing China maintains their current military spending ... no-one would dare attack them! (the USA could protect against attacks with a 1/10 th of their military budget)
As for the USA not being able to stop their industries from going to China ... I think that might be beginning to change. In general the US consumer might be getting a bit more patriotic (they should have enough time to decide if they are one of the 40 million out of work) with the current financial issues. For example the US car makers are moving back to US manufacturing. This can also be seen with the processor FABs starting to see the US as a viable option again especially where reliable+plentiful electricity is required for their upcoming EUV fabrication processes. AFAIK there are locations in Asia that will not be able to be upgraded to newer nodes that require EUV because of power shortages. ... So the US might be able to save themselves yet!
As for the actual topic: I really cannot understand why a country would limit themselves to one instruction set. What if a new idea is invented which requires a unique instruction set to be invented, (or is one of Intel/IBM instruction sets). That invention would have to wait until the government decided it was important enough to warrant being included in their processor architecture. I cannot see that nurturing innovation or providing economic advantages. That being said: this is probably a good thing for the US as it will give them a way to catch up economically!
++ In terms of plane makers: there is not a lot of choice if you want to avoid ones which are linked to the military. Boeing, and Airbus both make product for their local defence forces. That being said the only one worth buying at the moment is Boeing - because with Airbus --- the wings disintegrate!
First of all, despite all of the whining about the USA being the world "superpower" and all terrible things they have done ... I would prefer if the USA remained the super power simply because: "Better the devil you know". Sure the US has done some stupid things but they haven't been THAT much of a mistake. Who knows if China would do any better as the "superpower" ... if they even want the role. As the USA has proven it is a certain way to send your government bankrupt! And lets face it, providing China maintains their current military spending ... no-one would dare attack them! (the USA could protect against attacks with a 1/10 th of their military budget)
As for the USA not being able to stop their industries from going to China ... I think that might be beginning to change. In general the US consumer might be getting a bit more patriotic (they should have enough time to decide if they are one of the 40 million out of work) with the current financial issues. For example the US car makers are moving back to US manufacturing. This can also be seen with the processor FABs starting to see the US as a viable option again especially where reliable+plentiful electricity is required for their upcoming EUV fabrication processes. AFAIK there are locations in Asia that will not be able to be upgraded to newer nodes that require EUV because of power shortages. ... So the US might be able to save themselves yet!
As for the actual topic: I really cannot understand why a country would limit themselves to one instruction set. What if a new idea is invented which requires a unique instruction set to be invented, (or is one of Intel/IBM instruction sets). That invention would have to wait until the government decided it was important enough to warrant being included in their processor architecture. I cannot see that nurturing innovation or providing economic advantages. That being said: this is probably a good thing for the US as it will give them a way to catch up economically!
++ In terms of plane makers: there is not a lot of choice if you want to avoid ones which are linked to the military. Boeing, and Airbus both make product for their local defence forces. That being said the only one worth buying at the moment is Boeing - because with Airbus --- the wings disintegrate!
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[citation][nom]maniac62[/nom]... I don't understand why the American people have the moral superiority to blame China.[/citation]
It's very simply.
They/We do not know any better. A good education is VERY expensive in the USA so most simply do not get all the facts. The ruling 1% has no interest in well educated people. Educated people hold you -Government, Businessmen- responsible for their questions. And who would want that to happen !
It's very simply.
They/We do not know any better. A good education is VERY expensive in the USA so most simply do not get all the facts. The ruling 1% has no interest in well educated people. Educated people hold you -Government, Businessmen- responsible for their questions. And who would want that to happen !
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