News China's largest Core i9-14900K gaming cafe has suffered from instability issues since 2023 — the flagship store has 171 gaming PCs with Core i9-149...

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The world's largest Core i9-14900K equipped internet cafe in China reportedly suffered from CPU instability issues nearly a year ago, requiring Intel engineers to come in person to fix the problem.

China's largest Core i9-14900K gaming cafe has suffered from instability issues since 2023 — the flagship store has 171 gaming PCs with Core i9-149... : Read more

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Troubleshooting revealed that various issues were reportedly contributing to the instability, including power supply problems, heat dissipation problems, and CPU voltage problems.

So The issues they suffered for a year on overvolted, overclocked CPUs with apparently dodgy PSUs and heatsinks is somehow Intel's fault?

 

[txfeinbergs]

I don't think I would ever have a reason to leave this place.

 

[redgarl]

Even if AMD was on Bulldozer, I would not recommend Intel...

 

[MisterZ]

Internet/gaming cafe. lol

 

[usertests]

I don't think I would ever have a reason to leave this place.

Broken computers!

Even if AMD was on Bulldozer, I would not recommend Intel...

Intel's old products are known good and far better than Bulldozer. 12th gen is working fine, as are the Alder Lake chips that got rebranded as 13th/14th gen. At the right prices (e.g. a cheap system on ebay), 10th gen Comet Lake or even the maligned 11th gen Rocket Lake are good.

Most people don't need cutting edge CPU performance and should consider buying CPUs that have been on the market for years, if the price is right.

 

[derekullo]

Broken computers!


Intel's old products are known good and far better than Bulldozer. 12th gen is working fine, as are the Alder Lake chips that got rebranded as 13th/14th gen. At the right prices (e.g. a cheap system on ebay), 10th gen Comet Lake or even the maligned 11th gen Rocket Lake are good.

Most people don't need cutting edge CPU performance and should consider buying CPUs that have been on the market for years, if the price is right.

What you are saying is true, but without knowing what we know now anyone buying an i7-13700K, released in 2022, would also be out of luck despite "buying CPUs that have been on the market for years".

 

[derekullo]

So The issues they suffered for a year on overvolted, overclocked CPUs with apparently dodgy PSUs and heatsinks is somehow Intel's fault?

It doesn't say they were using dodgy PSUs. (power supply problems, heat dissipation problems, and CPU voltage problems)
Having the CPU overclocked is also perfectly fine as long as the CPU itself doesn't decide to override your settings and feed the CPU even more voltage causing instability and heat dissipation problems ... which is what the 13/14th gen is/was doing.

Saving an extra $200 on a cheap PSU doesn't make much sense when each computer potentially costs whatever $3700 in yen is! (Using Alienware r16 as a stand in)
More than likely each high end computer was ordered with the same model PSU as all the others.

We have a mixture of 10/11/12/13/14th gen Intel CPUs running at work (public library) on about 900 of our computers. (Mostly i5s so we dodged the bullet!)
Every few months we will get one that randomly gets an issue and sometimes that issue is with its power supply which is to be expected from our older computers since they are basically never shutdown for anything short of a hurricane.
What I'm getting at is if they have almost 700 PCs running high wattage hardware, 2-3 power supply issues a year wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

 

[Amdlova]

People buy new high end nodes and think will last forever...
old nodes last forever new nodes after some benchmarks or stress tests will degrade.
It's why they give warranty of 3 years... after that Will only See Sorry...

With today specs its hard to see when a cpu has degraded bacause has automatic control on voltage.
drop clocks, mem clocks...
2600k is working at this moment with OC at day launch in some one house with no problems.
newer machines make forums be active as hell. My system keep crashing with my amd expo ddr5 over nine thousands HELP!

 

[derekullo]

People buy new high end nodes and think will last forever...
old nodes last forever new nodes after some benchmarks or stress tests will degrade.
It's why they give warranty of 3 years... after that Will only See Sorry...

With today specs its hard to see when a cpu has degraded bacause has automatic control on voltage.
drop clocks, mem clocks...
2600k is working at this moment with OC at day launch in some one house with no problems.
newer machines make forums be active as hell. My system keep crashing with my amd expo ddr5 over nine thousands HELP!

One of my older mining rigs has a Ryzen 1500x and 3 Geforce 1060s.
Still kicking after all these years
Making a cool 50 cents a day!
I will honor its life by running it till it dies!

 

[Amdlova]

Even if AMD was on Bulldozer, I would not recommend Intel...

Got an z690 board and a 14600T for 310us still cheaper than one ryzen 9600x

 

[Amdlova]

One of my older mining rigs has a Ryzen 1500x and 3 Geforce 1060s.
Still kicking after all these years
Making a cool 50 cents a day!
I will honor its life by running it till it dies!

Your motherboard will die just replace xD (grab one before end the stock pile)

 

[derekullo]

Your motherboard will die just replace xD (grab one before end the stock pile)

Once it actually dies, I'm assuming the graphics cards will die first since they've been under nearly 100% load since 2017, I'll just junk it.
I'd turn it into a NAS but like you said the motherboard may not have much life left in it either lol.

 

[Max The Dragon]

The rigs are about as high-end as it gets. Each Core i9-14900K is manually overclocked to 5.9 GHz, and the system RAM is overclocked to a blisteringly quick 8,533 MHz.

Well that's extremely tough settings. Because max stable clock for 14900k is around 5.5 GHz.
Plus there is no guarantee that ram will eventually be stable on that frequency.
I assuming that stability issues is because of this over clocking.

 

[rluker5]

Well that's extremely tough settings. Because max stable clock for 14900k is around 5.5 GHz.
Plus there is no guarantee that ram will eventually be stable on that frequency.
I assuming that stability issues is because of this over clocking.

The voltages are the limiting factor on long term stability. At or below 1.4v should be fine, and since the story doesn't specify how many cores are at 5.9, I find it completely plausible that they can have a few cores running at 5.9 and the rest at 5.6 or 5.7 and stay at or below 1.4v, if tuned. Which it sounds like they are. Just have to raise the LLC some and do a bunch of undervolting. My 13900kf does 5.5/6.0 and stays low enough.

The 8533 sounds more impressive.

 

[KraakBal]

What a loser. He would save so much money equipping them with 7800x3ds. And they perform better at gaming. And have a future upgradeable platform. But he obviously enjoys sucking Intel's lollies more than his own business efficiency

 

[coromonadalix]

trash all of this, put Ryzen 9000 loll

 

[Papusan]

Even if AMD was on Bulldozer, I would not recommend Intel...

Hmmm. AMD Zen5 chips (9000 series) is now rebranded to BulldoZen5. Isn't that fun?

 

[rluker5]

What a loser. He would save so much money equipping them with 7800x3ds. And they perform better at gaming. And have a future upgradeable platform. But he obviously enjoys sucking Intel's lollies more than his own business efficiency

The business just wants to fill the chairs.
If they save a bit on power but don't have their stuff used they are losing money.
You should call his customers losers since they are the ones disagreeing with you.

 

[usertests]

What you are saying is true, but without knowing what we know now anyone buying an i7-13700K, released in 2022, would also be out of luck despite "buying CPUs that have been on the market for years".

So many years... >_< I bought 2021 Comet Lake Refresh in 2024 (which is identical to the 2019 chips). Maybe I'll drop in a Rocket Lake upgrade but I don't really need it. And I've bought 7+ year old chips.

Raptor Lake (i.e. 13700KF) was out in Q4 2022, so it was less than 2 years before the bad press finally hit. But that is admittedly a long time for the problems to become obvious. At least the buyers can join in on a class action in hopes of winning $20. Or a coupon.

People buy new high end nodes and think will last forever...
old nodes last forever new nodes after some benchmarks or stress tests will degrade.
It's why they give warranty of 3 years... after that Will only See Sorry...

I don't think there's evidence of the node being the problem for Raptor Lake. It's some fundamental flaw in the ring bus or elsewhere in the microarchitecture. Unless you're saying that these new nodes tolerate less voltage than the older ones or something.

There is a suspicion that new nodes are going to degrade faster, but they aren't nearly reaching the 1-2 digit "angstroms" they purport to measure, since those names are just marketing now. New types of transistors (e.g. gate-all-around) are able to reduce/mitigate the problems from getting smaller, and those are typically created in the lab decades before they become commercialized. The first gate-all-around FET was created in 1988.

 

[jlake3]

Got an z690 board and a 14600T for 310us still cheaper than one ryzen 9600x

The i5-14600T does not appear to have a product page on Amazon, Newegg, or Microcenter even when I toggle the filters to show out-of-stock listings, and the lowest buy-it-now on eBay is $370. Intel lists a recommended price of $255/each when bought in quantities of 1000, which if you could get one for that price would leave you with $25 for a motherboard without going over what Newegg currently has the Ryzen 9600X listed for ($280). Care to show your work on that?

I did find some compelling 12th-gen deals and bundles... but there's also deals to be had on 5000-series X3D chips and 7000-series if you're looking for value over having the latest generation stuff.

 

[Digital~Dreams]

Overclocked, power supply and cooling issues. Virtually makes this a non-news item !

 

[redgarl]

Intel's old products are known good and far better than Bulldozer. 12th gen is working fine, as are the Alder Lake chips that got rebranded as 13th/14th gen. At the right prices (e.g. a cheap system on ebay), 10th gen Comet Lake or even the maligned 11th gen Rocket Lake are good.

Most people don't need cutting edge CPU performance and should consider buying CPUs that have been on the market for years, if the price is right.

Even if I bring back Bulldozer, it doesn't mean that I am talking about the past. There is no way in today's reality that I can recommend an Intel CPU.

And if we are to talk about the past, then let's talks about Thunderbird and Athlon 64. Yeah, history is repeating itself, but this time around, the past has come to bite Intel in the butt.

After years of monopolization tactics to kill their main x86 competitor, they made a bunch of decisions taking them into a death spiral. They are not agile like AMD and their conglomerate inertia is killing their business in which they were once leaders. The last straw was to take the decision to compete with TSMC. Ironically Intel needs to fab their CPUs on TSMC and partner with Microsoft for implementing their new CPUs uarch with Windows to compete with AMD.

You reap what you sow. It will be over in 2030.

 

[redgarl]

Hmmm. AMD Zen5 chips (9000 series) is now rebranded to BulldoZen5. Isn't that fun?

Influencers can say what the hell they want, but numbers don't lie...

Zen 5 is a good generational leap averaging near 20% over Zen 4.

 

[redgarl]

Got an z690 board and a 14600T for 310us still cheaper than one ryzen 9600x

It is a dead end platform while AM5 will host Zen 6 if not even Zen 7.

Not to mention the 14600t is an exotic part and the 14600k counterpart cost more than a 9600x.

If you are only gaming, I would pick a 7800x3D or a 9600x over anything Intel any day.