Cloudflare Removes Neo-Nazi Site From DDoS Mitigation Service

[bit_user]

EDIT: It seems any group regardless of motivations that claim to wish to stand by and defend the U.S. Constitution THE SUPREME LAW of the land that the government is supposed to follow, is now labeled as anti-government and far-right.

On some level, the Constitution has effectively become a religious text, with all sorts of groups claiming it's on their side. Just because someone makes such a claim doesn't mean their interpretation of it is reasonable or historical. You really need to look beyond the mere fact that they claim it's on their side and look through to their beliefs and actions.

I'm sure I needn't remind anyone how much violence has occurred even between sects of the same religions, each believing their interpretation is correct and God is on their side.

 

[shrapnel_indie]

EDIT: It seems any group regardless of motivations that claim to wish to stand by and defend the U.S. Constitution THE SUPREME LAW of the land that the government is supposed to follow, is now labeled as anti-government and far-right.

On some level, the Constitution has effectively become a religious text, with all sorts of groups claiming it's on their side. Just because someone makes such a claim doesn't mean their interpretation of it is reasonable or historical. You really need to look beyond the mere fact that they claim it's on their side and look through to their beliefs and actions.

I'm sure I needn't remind anyone how much violence has occurred even between sects of the same religions, each believing their interpretation is correct and God is on their side.

One does have to remember that the U.S. Constitution itself is a static document, not a living one which can have its meaning reinterpreted to fit current views too. Yeah, there are those that will hide behind the U.S. Constitution and try to use it as a shield for whatever they see fit, usually a conspiracy theory, but not always... and then there are those who stand by and wish to defend it, as it was meant, and clearly discussed as to its meanings by the founding fathers, ad nauseam. Unfortunately for them, they get the same label as the others... Also as I stated, when you have a government that seems to want to ignore The Constitution, those who wish to honorably defend it are considered enemies and dangerous to that government's actions, despite the fact they are supposed to be following those rules. (If they did, there would be no federal government overreach, and State government would be the stronger government overall.)

 

[bit_user]

Speaking purely personal, G-unit1111, Soros should be in jail for stealing £26 per head of every man, woman and child in the UK in one of the big financial crashes before the last one, just to make himself richer. In my view he should have been left in Hungary and never allowed loose in the free world.

I find it interesting that you blame Soros for calling your government's bluff, rather than blaming your government for its decision to join the ERM, when it did, then for failing to keep inflation in check, and then for trying to bid up the Pound with foreign assets. Currency traders help serve to prevent governments from manipulating their currencies. They can make and lose a lot of money, in the process. They do make easy targets for embarrassed politicians, however. I don't certainly don't want to defend all market actors or activities, but it does take a certain number of sharks to keep the ocean healthy.

IMO, ERM was a bad idea and the UK was better off outside the Euro. I'd be surprised if the UK economy didn't grow by far more than it lost in that incident, as a result.

BTW, how do you feel about the government of Iceland, for the Icesave bailout? Not to mention the RBS bailout? I guess that's a bit of a non sequitur, but I think there are financial excesses and misdeeds I'd be more upset about.

 

[bit_user]

when you have a government that seems to want to ignore The Constitution, those who wish to honorably defend it are considered enemies and dangerous to that government's actions, despite the fact they are supposed to be following those rules. (If they did, there would be no federal government overreach, and State government would be the stronger government overall.)

It's one thing to believe that it's not being interpreted correctly. But a line is crossed when people decide this fact empowers them to break the law. There's no grey area, here.

You can vote, run for office, donate, volunteer, protest, and even bring lawsuits. Many routes exist to correct the system, should you believe it's gone off the rails. But nobody appointed these groups as defenders of the Constitution. They have the same rights as any other citizens, but if their quest leads them to violence, nothing good will come of it.

 

[Reynod]

I am a bit disappointed that there has been no mention of the Nazi bases in Antarctica or the moon ... or any alien conspiracy stuff yet. But ... we are only 3 pages in ...

I'm disappointed in the lack of your professionalism as a moderator. But otoh, that's fine. When one has to resort to attempting to ridicule those they disagree with, or when another upvotes posts they particularly like twice (if it was done deliberately), I think that says far more than those who they're attacking ever could.

Enjoy a 3 day break courtesy of my lack of professionalism.

 

[Reynod]

and the topic was supposed to be about Cloudflare and the Nazis ... All I see are rants about ANTIFA, Soros and Yogi Bear ???

 

[shrapnel_indie]

when you have a government that seems to want to ignore The Constitution, those who wish to honorably defend it are considered enemies and dangerous to that government's actions, despite the fact they are supposed to be following those rules. (If they did, there would be no federal government overreach, and State government would be the stronger government overall.)

It's one thing to believe that it's not being interpreted correctly. But a line is crossed when people decide this fact empowers them to break the law. There's no grey area, here.

You can vote, run for office, donate, volunteer, protest, and even bring lawsuits. Many routes exist to correct the system, should you believe it's gone off the rails. But nobody appointed these groups as defenders of the Constitution. They have the same rights as any other citizens, but if their quest leads them to violence, nothing good will come of it.

If the law violates the U.S. Constitution, it is unconstitutional and by that definition unenforceable as per the constitution. Before you say The People aren't capable of determining what is and isn't Constitutional, The Constitution places no requirements on who can be a Supreme Court judge. Of course now days, there's no way on this earth a layman will ever get a position as a Supreme Court Judge... too many lawyers and politicians see to that (look at the opposition that happens with someone who does have a legal background.) Of course we're in this mess too because the States haven't stood up for the powers the Constitution has granted them instead of the Federal government via the 10th Amendment.

EDIT: Some of these groups, and others, as part of their job take an oath: an oath that includes the phrase about upholding, and protecting the Constitution. Sadly those who take that part of the oath seriously seem to be tagged racist, anti-government, etc. Those who blow it off? Well, we got those who try to do a good and honest job ethically, and those who will hide behind "just doing my job" when it comes to doing the deeds they do, or even abuse the powers they have been granted for their own benefit.

It's also sad when people participate in legal peaceful protest, or other First Amendment protected statements and still be labeled a threat now days (finding yourself on some watch-list that you'll never know about.)

 

[shrapnel_indie]

and the topic was supposed to be about Cloudflare and the Nazis ... All I see are rants about ANTIFA, Soros and Yogi Bear ???

Yeah, it looks as if it has veered off course, and, fortunately so far, has remained civil (at least what I have participated in.) I guess I missed the reference to Yogi Bear though. LOL.

EDIT: Okay I do see an instance where it might have got a little dicey.

EDIT II: My guess would be that it derailed when other events happened around or shortly after this article: the AntiFa - Klan/Neo-Nazi clash. and veered further away with time.

 

[g-unit1111]

EDIT: It seems any group regardless of motivations that claim to wish to stand by and defend the U.S. Constitution THE SUPREME LAW of the land that the government is supposed to follow, is now labeled as anti-government and far-right. I have to laugh at this as most of those who claim such things are anti-U.S. Constitution as it gets in their way of forcing people into what they feel everyone should be. I guess if the government was actually pro U.S. Constitution (a written document, NOT a living document) that label would not exist.

*THAT* is one thing I seriously hope both sides can agree on. Our constitution isn't perfect but its' the best we got, and it's what makes America, America, and I think we need to defend it no matter what.

 

[logainofhades]

Sadly there are those that willingly ignore it, on both sides of the aisle. I am more of a Libertarian at heart, so I tend to be quite the strong supporter of the constitution.

 

[Virtual_Singularity]

I am a bit disappointed that there has been no mention of the Nazi bases in Antarctica or the moon ... or any alien conspiracy stuff yet. But ... we are only 3 pages in ...

I'm disappointed in the lack of your professionalism as a moderator. But otoh, that's fine. When one has to resort to attempting to ridicule those they disagree with, or when another upvotes posts they particularly like twice (if it was done deliberately), I think that says far more than those who they're attacking ever could.

Enjoy a 3 day break courtesy of my lack of professionalism.

Well, Reynod, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I didn't notice until after the fact, but still... I guess it's what you felt was necessary & in line with your job. Fwiw, if so, no hard feelings here.