Collection of Conroe Data. (Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme!)

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That's all very nice, but how about the quad SLI data? If I'm going to purchase the 'top of the line' gaming processor I'm not interested it's performance with pair of cards. I want to know it's performance with four of a kind.
Be sure to rush that data to me, I'm sure it's at your fingertips.
 
Seriously, how much do u think the conroe chips will drop by the end of the year?? $50? more?
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I would not expect them to drop. Intel already has them priced well below any AMD equivalent processor and therefor should keep the price static for a long time.
 
Agree, dont know about a long time, I see the price moving once a new XE/ new processor are released, not before
 
Right! Good, long lasting prices. Don't expect for them to climb neither. Once the new XE is released in Q4 thats when we will get our biggest price cut.
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http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Intel_Pentium_Extreme_Edition_840_3_2GHz_Processor,__8827413/search=intel+840

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=16194079&search=BX80553955

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=18700863&search=BX80553965



Note the current minor price cuts offered on the (very old) 840XE and the (old) 955XE compared to the (current) 965XE . I would not hold my breath for signifant cuts in Q4 when the second core 2 XE clocking is released, especially on the non XE vintages that I believe most core 2 buyers will be purchasing. My point being that I believe there will be little to gain, price wise, in waiting until Q4.
 
Just wanted to say nice job done on all this data you have collected iterations and others who have also helped collect all this intresting data.
 
JumpingJack already posted the link to the article this was in, but I think it needs to be pointed out for anyone else that may have missed this.

Here are some real benches between a 2mb and 4mb L2 cache Conroe both running at 1.86ghz, one is a E6300 and the second is a underclocked E6600. Safe to say, it looks like the only areas where the extra cache really shows the most improvement is for games. :) It helps in some of the other benchmarks as well... I was thinking the 2mb L2 cache parts would be showing a larger performance hit than this!

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nice info thx

btw will the "old" heatsink fans like zalman's fiton the new 775 sockets, will they match well, or theyll be just the same thing?

which mobo would be beter for a core 2 duo the 965 or the 775(new revision)?

thx
 
In terms of mobo, revision was never really any good in previous cases. The newly redesigned p965 will have a tremendous gain over any 975x that will ever hit the markert in terms of satisfying Core 2 Duo. The FSB overclocks, cpu overclock, ram overclocks and voltage management all seem to be more promising with p965 than 975x. (not even mentioning the 1333FSB, in some cases 1500FSB support, 1066RAM support and most importantly quad core capabilities - surely the redesigned 975x will not have any of these). Intel took wahat is called a side step and caused the market to change forever.







Check out the ATI RD600 alternative

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2645
 
In terms of mobo, revision was never really any good in previous cases. The newly redesigned p965 will have a tremendous gain over any 975x that will ever hit the markert in terms of satisfying Core 2 Duo. The FSB overclocks, cpu overclock, ram overclocks and voltage management all seem to be more promising with p965 than 975x. (not even mentioning the 1333FSB, in some cases 1500FSB support, 1066RAM support and most importantly quad core capabilities - surely the redesigned 975x will not have any of these). Intel took wahat is called a side step and caused the market to change forever.
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It is interesting to note that Intel is still marketing the 975X as their enthusiast platform of choice for core 2 while the p965 appears to be much more advanced in many areas. I do not understand their strategy. Does anybody else?
 
In terms of mobo, revision was never really any good in previous cases. The newly redesigned p965 will have a tremendous gain over any 975x that will ever hit the markert in terms of satisfying Core 2 Duo. The FSB overclocks, cpu overclock, ram overclocks and voltage management all seem to be more promising with p965 than 975x. (not even mentioning the 1333FSB, in some cases 1500FSB support, 1066RAM support and most importantly quad core capabilities - surely the redesigned 975x will not have any of these). Intel took wahat is called a side step and caused the market to change forever.
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It is interesting to note that Intel is still marketing the 975X as their enthusiast platform of choice for core 2 while the p965 appears to be much more advanced in many areas. I do not understand their strategy. Does anybody else?


Give it two weeks. The p965 is official, but hasn't came out yet. Intel needs to update their intel, if you know what I mean.
 
so far i have found 2 good mobos that i was considering to get:

ASUS P5W DH Deluxe/WiFI-AP

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=0&model=1198&modelmenu=1

ASUS P5B Deluxe

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=3404

ASUS P5B

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=0&model=1178&modelmenu=1


the ASUS P5B Deluxe does not suport xfire at all , the P5W does, and i have heard a lot of bad things about the P5B Deluxe, many people have many issues with the board, I was opting to go with the ASUS P5W DH Deluxe/WiFI-AP because its suport for x fire, i red some reviews that the old P5wd2-e premium is beter for non core2 cpu's but in gaming terms the P5w Deluxe ads couple ftp's compared to the P5wd2-e premium ,

I checked asus's site and the info there states that all 3 boards are 775 for core 2 duo(and in other places online i found that the last P5B board was a 965 board...weird , only the P5W DH Deluxe has suport for :"LGA775 socket for Intel Core2 Duo, Core2 Extreme and next generation Mulit-Core CPU" <---does this mean that those quad cores would work on this board?(not including the core 2 duo)

EDITED,ADED: ok here :
http://www.asus.com/products2.aspx?l1=3&l2=11 it states that the P5B is a 775 board but here on the same asus site it states that it is a P965 board:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=0&model=1178&modelmenu=1
so which one is which, asus is geting quite confusing nowedays.

btw is it me or Asus always has premium boards of their deluxe boards?which are usualy worth geting
 
it states that the P5B is a 775 board but here on the same asus site it states that it is a P965 board:
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I sounds like you are confusing CPU sockets (775 or LGA775) with chipsets (P965 & 975X). :)

All of the boards in your post are socket LGA775 (775 shorthand).

The ASUS P5B is based on the P965 Chipset.
The ASUS P5W is based on the 975X Chipset.

PS - To my knowledge, the P5B has not shipped yet. It should be released soon. What reviews had you seen on it?
 
u are right lol i clicked on the wrong link and it listed both boards under the same page, i ment to click on the chipset links, sory about the mistake,

Which one is beter then?
The ASUS P5B Deluxe
The ASUS P5W Deluxe

isnt the P5B made on an older chipset that does not support xfire, and the 775x does suport it?

thx
 
Lbax said:
PS - To my knowledge, the P5B has not shipped yet. It should be released soon. What reviews had you seen on it?
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there was one french site i didnt check it when i was at home and i saw only couple pages (2 i think)

but right now I found only this info, which is not much of info, its just a computex preview

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/05/asus_p5b_motherboard/
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Intel's chipset numbering can be a bit confusing.
The 975X is the 'old' chipset of the two.
The P965 is the next generation chipset that will be released soon. I have been waiting for the detailed reviews of the P965 boards before I make my purchase decision. I expect that it will outperform the 975X based motherboards.

I have only seen product anouncement articles on the P965 boards. No full reviews/benchmarks. Apparently there are non disclosure issues in play.
 
so maby that what i saw was a preview, it was in french, i didnt understand it, and i was in a hurry so i didnt look at it for long when i saw it.

lol ithought there was a Intel 965 chipset before, i know there was the 775 and there is a new revised one available now, so far from 1 review as i mentioned above the 775 board from asus looses slightly to the p5wd2-e premium in encoding, audio, vide and such but in gaming its slightly ahead, the only reason that i dont like that mobo in particular is the lack of xfire compatibility (the P5B deluxe, but maby thet might change if a new "Premium" version will be created, and besides the p5w DH delux loos in some way "beter" it has more slots, i think it has 2 more cix1 slots, and 1 more pci slot, than the p5b mobo.It is rather weird there is no xfire suport for p5b series there are 2 pcix16 slots on the mobo.
 
965 vs 975 chipsets

Just throwing in my two cents -


If your read this link -

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=627088

The are two things you must watch out for:

!) Be sure that the Conroe CPU is "stepping B2" or later

2) Be sure that the P965 chipset is stepping C-2, so that it's memory
performance will be better than, rather than just equal to, the 975 chipset's performance.

That said, I read somewhere that Intel will be releasing a D975XBX2
board that will oficially support Conroe.

Hope this is helpful.
 
965 vs 975 chipsets

Just throwing in my two cents -


If your read this link -

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=627088

The are two things you must watch out for:

!) Be sure that the Conroe CPU is "stepping B2" or later

2) Be sure that the P965 chipset is stepping C-2, so that it's memory
performance will be better than, rather than just equal to, the 975 chipset's performance.

That said, I read somewhere that Intel will be releasing a D975XBX2
board that will oficially support Conroe.

Hope this is helpful.
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B2 is the launch stepping so unless someone try's to sell you a B1 you will know it is an engineering sample.

D975XBX2 is going to launch this year to support Conroe, and in preperation for Kentsfield support. Currently it is receiving an updated overclocking interface. Instead of it buried like it is now in Bios it will have its own tab at the top of the Bios page.
 
I really really really like this from the RD600 Dailytech article:

The most notable feature of the RD600 is the memory controller. ATI has developed an elaborate memory controller that operates asynchronously from the front-side bus. No more memory dividers means the front-side bus can be overclocked drastically without being limited to memory. There will also be support for DDR2-1066 too. ATI claims the RD600 has been overclocked to 375 MHz (1500 MHz Quad pumped) using the current reference board.
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Did I mention that I really like this?
 
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