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:-(

(So long Gary -- I thought you were training me but now I have Microsoft
Corporation helping me, Chris Quirke, MVP and the Federal Government and I am
indeed a troubled soul so if you would just pray for me then I will be fine
--- BTW, I have never plonked anyone)


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> If you would quit replying to either of those troubled souls, Bill, I
> wouldn't have to see them at all, <eg>.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:ek7NG8QQFHA.2948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > was that Dan you were replying to, Jane? Isn't he a little old to be
> your
> > son? 🙂
> >
> > jane wrote:
> > > You are one of the great MVP's imo Gary and I can see you
> continuing
> > >> to live in Alex Nichol's shoes. <grin, smile, wink> LOL!!
> > >
> > > you are tooooooooooo much son, make sure you
> > > stay in merica'.
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Enough, Jane! <You are about to be my first x-listed person ever -- about to
***plonk>

"jane" wrote:

>
> > If you would quit replying to either of those troubled souls, Bill, I
> > wouldn't have to see them at all, <eg>.
>
> First you have to comprehend what a soul is mr terhune, only
> then can you make comment.
> It is going to be a hard road for you to travel to understand though,
> because 'soul' is not of this earth, and you sure dont believe
> in a creator.........
> Why dont you stick to simple stuff like what man has created,
> instead of getting out of your depth.
>
> jj
>
>
>
 
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Gary for security reasons, Microsoft is trying to limit updates to 98SE to
only the update site. Further information can be provided to you, Chris
Quirke, Robear or Hugh Candlin via email. Let me know in a new post if you
are interested. Have a good week and I am seeing a pscychologist so I am
slowly returning to normal after the theft of my social security card. That
is why I was so stressed recently.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Roman,
>
> I'm sorry if I seem dense, but does your OS also not support Windows
> Updates Catalog? This is not something that is clear to me. Does this
> link not function? Does it not provide any updates for Win98/98SE? I'm
> trying to understand the full nature of your problem.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
>
> I cannot find any such download as you ask for. Only the version for IE
> 5.5 in Windows ME.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "roman modic" <modicr@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:uP3yAIOQFHA.2932@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Please could someone post the link
> > for then latest patch for english IE6.SP1 that I
> > use with slovenian version of Windows
> > 98 SE that unfortunatelly does not support
> > Windows Update any more.
> >
> > Roman
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23eT9yjHQFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > How about the Windows Updates Catalog?
> > > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Yes because . . . sorry confidential Microsoft information related to
Longhorn testing and no I am not b---s-ing but have fun with me anyway if you
want since I do not care anymore about it.

"Dave B." wrote:

> My plan is to avoid ME , XP etc. and go straight to longhorn when it comes
> out. Will I be able to survive until then on 98SE?
>
> Dan wrote:
> > I still do not know why you dislike using Windows Update, darkrats.
> > The advantages of Windows Update are that it is targetted to each
> > user's machine.
> > 2. It helps Microsoft release patches in a secure arena since
> > everyone wants to destroy people's computers with false patches -- eg
> > false security newsletters, false downloads, downloads of Adaware SE
> > that contain a 2.5 Mini Keylogger that happened to me from
> > download.com when my XP SP 2 was hacked, etc.
> > 3. It is so kind of Microsoft to realize that their is a critical
> > need for 98SE in the marketplace 4. Longhorn should be released in
> > 2007 and expect some surprises that no one but Bill Gates himself
> > knows 5. Bye and have a great rest of the week
> >
> > Sincerely, Dan -- posted to the unknown Alias of "darkrats" a first
> > name would be nice since it is really hard to know someone named
> > darkrats and I always liked the light better than the dark although
> > the darkness allows me to sleep well. Have a nice life and be seeing
> > you darkrats or whoever/many people or just one individual you are
> > -------- and the million dollar question for me to you is what is
> > darkrats first name <???>
> >
> > "darkrats" wrote:
> >
> >> Here we go again.
> >>
> >> Thanks for posting the information pages.
> >> Can you please post a direct link to the KB890923 item for 98/ME.
> >>
> >> I don't see it on any of the pages.
> >> And I would prefer not to use "Windows Update".
> >>
> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> darkrats
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:OvdsJ7FQFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>> There are at least two for Win98/98SE:
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890923
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=891711 (this is a re-issued
> >>> update.)
> >>>
> >>> Here's the whole list for yesterday:
> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms05-apr.mspx
> >>>
> >>> You *should* use Windows Updates to get your patches, though.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS MVP Shell/User
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>>
> >>> "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news😛sbq519b9em3n05l7lavria07no62lusp8@4ax.com...
> >>>> In the news today it was announced that all Windows OS's, back to
> >>>> W98, need critical security updates installed.
> >>>> Going to the Microsoft site, I don't see any updates for W98 -
> >>>> they all seem to be for XP, ME, 2000 etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>> John <><
> >>>>
> >>>> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> >>>> with an other monkey's monkey.
> >>>> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
>
 
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Leave 98SE alone and use Longhorn on new systems in my opinion.

"roman modic" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> "Dave B." <daveNOSPAM@telstra.com> wrote in message
> news:ev5zVaNQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > My plan is to avoid ME , XP etc. and go straight to longhorn when it comes
> > out. Will I be able to survive until then on 98SE?
> >
>
> I don't know if upgrade from Win98SE to Longhorn will be supported.
> When I wanted to install Longhorn (test version) from Windows 98 SE
> environment the installation complained. Then I started setup from
> Windows XP and everything went OK (I installed it on empty partition).
>
> Roman
>
>
>
 
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Wrong, I contacted Microsoft Support and this is false information. Remember
the Not There Source code aka New Technology and how do you explain why so
many more vulnerabilities are discovered in XP PRO. SP 2. It is because it
does not have a solid foundation. Chris Quirke, MVP has determined this and
I am currently testing source code for Longhorn based on <sorry confidential>
but let me tell you Mr. Terhune you are sadly misinformed but you may
continue in your misinformation if you like. Remember, XP PRO. SP2 has more
access points for hackers. As someone who is training to be a systems
security expert I myself can hack into an XP SP 2 machine more quickly than a
secure 98SE machine. If you don't believe me then you really don't know me
Mr. Terhune. You are indeed an awesome and powerful person but I again see
that you don't see the full picture. Have a great life Gary and thanks for
helping me see the light. I highly appreciate the years of training that you
have given me.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> No, you will not likely be able to decently maintain a Windows 98/98SE
> or ME system until "Longhorn" is released. I strongly suggest you
> migrate to Windows XP ASAP.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Dave B." <daveNOSPAM@telstra.com> wrote in message
> news:ev5zVaNQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > My plan is to avoid ME , XP etc. and go straight to longhorn when it
> comes
> > out. Will I be able to survive until then on 98SE?
> >
> > Dan wrote:
> > > I still do not know why you dislike using Windows Update, darkrats.
> > > The advantages of Windows Update are that it is targetted to each
> > > user's machine.
> > > 2. It helps Microsoft release patches in a secure arena since
> > > everyone wants to destroy people's computers with false patches --
> eg
> > > false security newsletters, false downloads, downloads of Adaware SE
> > > that contain a 2.5 Mini Keylogger that happened to me from
> > > download.com when my XP SP 2 was hacked, etc.
> > > 3. It is so kind of Microsoft to realize that their is a critical
> > > need for 98SE in the marketplace 4. Longhorn should be released in
> > > 2007 and expect some surprises that no one but Bill Gates himself
> > > knows 5. Bye and have a great rest of the week
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Dan -- posted to the unknown Alias of "darkrats" a first
> > > name would be nice since it is really hard to know someone named
> > > darkrats and I always liked the light better than the dark although
> > > the darkness allows me to sleep well. Have a nice life and be
> seeing
> > > you darkrats or whoever/many people or just one individual you are
> > > -------- and the million dollar question for me to you is what is
> > > darkrats first name <???>
> > >
> > > "darkrats" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here we go again.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for posting the information pages.
> > >> Can you please post a direct link to the KB890923 item for 98/ME.
> > >>
> > >> I don't see it on any of the pages.
> > >> And I would prefer not to use "Windows Update".
> > >>
> > >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> darkrats
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > >> news:OvdsJ7FQFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > >>> There are at least two for Win98/98SE:
> > >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890923
> > >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=891711 (this is a re-issued
> > >>> update.)
> > >>>
> > >>> Here's the whole list for yesterday:
> > >>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms05-apr.mspx
> > >>>
> > >>> You *should* use Windows Updates to get your patches, though.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Gary S. Terhune
> > >>> MS MVP Shell/User
> > >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > >>>
> > >>> "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > >>> news😛sbq519b9em3n05l7lavria07no62lusp8@4ax.com...
> > >>>> In the news today it was announced that all Windows OS's, back to
> > >>>> W98, need critical security updates installed.
> > >>>> Going to the Microsoft site, I don't see any updates for W98 -
> > >>>> they all seem to be for XP, ME, 2000 etc.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any suggestions?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> John <><
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> > >>>> with an other monkey's monkey.
> > >>>> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
> >
>
>
 
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Bill in Co. -- don't worry be happy -- 🙂

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> You mean I am doomed after all? Gimme that crystal ball, you thief!
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > No, you will not likely be able to decently maintain a Windows 98/98SE
> > or ME system until "Longhorn" is released. I strongly suggest you
> > migrate to Windows XP ASAP.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Dave B." <daveNOSPAM@telstra.com> wrote in message
> > news:ev5zVaNQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> My plan is to avoid ME , XP etc. and go straight to longhorn when it
> comes
> >> out. Will I be able to survive until then on 98SE?
> >>
> >> Dan wrote:
> >>> I still do not know why you dislike using Windows Update, darkrats.
> >>> The advantages of Windows Update are that it is targetted to each
> >>> user's machine.
> >>> 2. It helps Microsoft release patches in a secure arena since
> >>> everyone wants to destroy people's computers with false patches -- eg
> >>> false security newsletters, false downloads, downloads of Adaware SE
> >>> that contain a 2.5 Mini Keylogger that happened to me from
> >>> download.com when my XP SP 2 was hacked, etc.
> >>> 3. It is so kind of Microsoft to realize that their is a critical
> >>> need for 98SE in the marketplace 4. Longhorn should be released in
> >>> 2007 and expect some surprises that no one but Bill Gates himself
> >>> knows 5. Bye and have a great rest of the week
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely, Dan -- posted to the unknown Alias of "darkrats" a first
> >>> name would be nice since it is really hard to know someone named
> >>> darkrats and I always liked the light better than the dark although
> >>> the darkness allows me to sleep well. Have a nice life and be seeing
> >>> you darkrats or whoever/many people or just one individual you are
> >>> -------- and the million dollar question for me to you is what is
> >>> darkrats first name <???>
> >>>
> >>> "darkrats" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here we go again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for posting the information pages.
> >>>> Can you please post a direct link to the KB890923 item for 98/ME.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see it on any of the pages.
> >>>> And I would prefer not to use "Windows Update".
> >>>>
> >>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> darkrats
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OvdsJ7FQFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> There are at least two for Win98/98SE:
> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890923
> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=891711 (this is a re-issued
> >>>>> update.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's the whole list for yesterday:
> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms05-apr.mspx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You *should* use Windows Updates to get your patches, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>>>> MS MVP Shell/User
> >>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>> news😛sbq519b9em3n05l7lavria07no62lusp8@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> In the news today it was announced that all Windows OS's, back to
> >>>>>> W98, need critical security updates installed.
> >>>>>> Going to the Microsoft site, I don't see any updates for W98 -
> >>>>>> they all seem to be for XP, ME, 2000 etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John <><
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> >>>>>> with an other monkey's monkey.
> >>>>>> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
>
>
 
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No BSOD's for a while here either Bill and I have my 98SE all customized down
to a customized msconfig.exe, customized registry, customized bootlog.txt,
customized machine, etc. It is so fun and my computer experience started way
back when I was 7 in 1982 in New York City. My dad taught me BASIC
programming on my first computer and I have loved the PC ever since.

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Depends on how you define "maintaining". 🙂 (you haven't heard me
> complaining of any recent BSODs in here, now have ya? LOL)
>
> When is LH expected? Like maybe next year? (I was just curious)
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > The way things are going, you're going to have a hard time maintaining
> > *XP* until LH comes out, <eg>!
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:e6uiu7QQFHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> You mean I am doomed after all? Gimme that crystal ball, you thief!
> >>
> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >>> No, you will not likely be able to decently maintain a Windows 98/98SE
> >>> or ME system until "Longhorn" is released. I strongly suggest you
> >>> migrate to Windows XP ASAP.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS MVP Shell/User
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>>
> >>> "Dave B." <daveNOSPAM@telstra.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:ev5zVaNQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>>> My plan is to avoid ME , XP etc. and go straight to longhorn when it
> comes
> >>>> out. Will I be able to survive until then on 98SE?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan wrote:
> >>>>> I still do not know why you dislike using Windows Update, darkrats.
> >>>>> The advantages of Windows Update are that it is targetted to each
> >>>>> user's machine.
> >>>>> 2. It helps Microsoft release patches in a secure arena since
> >>>>> everyone wants to destroy people's computers with false patches -- eg
> >>>>> false security newsletters, false downloads, downloads of Adaware SE
> >>>>> that contain a 2.5 Mini Keylogger that happened to me from
> >>>>> download.com when my XP SP 2 was hacked, etc.
> >>>>> 3. It is so kind of Microsoft to realize that their is a critical
> >>>>> need for 98SE in the marketplace 4. Longhorn should be released in
> >>>>> 2007 and expect some surprises that no one but Bill Gates himself
> >>>>> knows 5. Bye and have a great rest of the week
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely, Dan -- posted to the unknown Alias of "darkrats" a first
> >>>>> name would be nice since it is really hard to know someone named
> >>>>> darkrats and I always liked the light better than the dark although
> >>>>> the darkness allows me to sleep well. Have a nice life and be seeing
> >>>>> you darkrats or whoever/many people or just one individual you are
> >>>>> -------- and the million dollar question for me to you is what is
> >>>>> darkrats first name <???>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "darkrats" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Here we go again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for posting the information pages.
> >>>>>> Can you please post a direct link to the KB890923 item for 98/ME.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't see it on any of the pages.
> >>>>>> And I would prefer not to use "Windows Update".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> darkrats
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:OvdsJ7FQFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> There are at least two for Win98/98SE:
> >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890923
> >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=891711 (this is a re-issued
> >>>>>>> update.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here's the whole list for yesterday:
> >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms05-apr.mspx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You *should* use Windows Updates to get your patches, though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>>>>>> MS MVP Shell/User
> >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news😛sbq519b9em3n05l7lavria07no62lusp8@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>> In the news today it was announced that all Windows OS's, back to
> >>>>>>>> W98, need critical security updates installed.
> >>>>>>>> Going to the Microsoft site, I don't see any updates for W98 -
> >>>>>>>> they all seem to be for XP, ME, 2000 etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John <><
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> >>>>>>>> with an other monkey's monkey.
> >>>>>>>> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
>
>
 
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98SE and Linux are for power users who know computers

XP PRO. SP2 is for those of us that want the latest technology support and
do not want to bother with maintenence on their PC.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23HoQzyRQFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Depends on how you define "maintaining". 🙂 (you haven't heard
> me
> > complaining of any recent BSODs in here, now have ya? LOL)
>
> No, not you particularly. But I *regularly* deal with BSODs in this NG.
> Not even counting the recent SNAFU involving KB891711, BSODs and Invalid
> Page Faults constitute a major portion of the issues we deal with here.
> On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I had to deal with
> either of those issues in any normal XP systems that I'm responsible for
> (my own isn't normal, because I'm always pushing the envelope well
> beyond specs and working betas.)
>
> Just the opposite, my "Little Old Ladies" club, a dozen or so strong,
> who regularly called me over the last few years to come fix, maintain or
> repair their 98/98SE/ME systems have for the most part migrated to XP,
> and aside from initial setup and configuration, I never get calls from
> them anymore. The XP issues for which I'm still called mostly involve
> user training and fixing things like networking issues, or cleaning up
> systems for those who consistently ignore my advice regarding safe hex
> practices..
>
> > When is LH expected? Like maybe next year? (I was just curious)
>
> If we're lucky. I doubt I'll be promoting migration to LH before
> sometime well into 2007. And *that* is not something I'm counting on.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
>
>
 
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Dual boot with 98SE on one hard drive in Fat32
and XP PRO. SP 2 in NTFS on another hard drive

"John" wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:43:10 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org>
> wrote:
>
> >The way things are going, you're going to have a hard time maintaining
> >*XP* until LH comes out, <eg>!
>
> Holy smoke!!!! I just paid $ 150 to buy an 98 to XP upgrade.
> Wasted money?
> Matter of fact, I still normally use 98 - XP is there only in case I want to
> install a program which won't run on 98.
>
> Oh, well . . . . . guess I'm a luddite. . . .(-:
>
> John <><
>
> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> with an other monkey's monkey.
> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
 
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30 June 2006 -- current expiration date for 98SE and this may be extended

Possiblity of IE 7 on 98SE if I get my way

Take Care, Gary S. Terhune and keep up the good work

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Just in case your post wasn't totally in jest...
>
> Windows 98, 98SE and ME will soon relatively worthless for normal,
> internet-connected use. Windows XP is the *only* decent next-step for
> most current 9x users, at least within the Windows group.
>
> Windows XP *should_be* good for another three to five years. My point
> was that, with the way Longhorn development is proceeding, getting it
> mainstreamed even by 2010, when XP will most assuredly have reached
> untenability, is questionable. Yes, I'm exaggerating by a year or two--I
> hope.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:gtst51ljk2t7nnlh29p2pmecoleoq1un7m@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:43:10 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> <grystnews@mvps.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The way things are going, you're going to have a hard time
> maintaining
> > >*XP* until LH comes out, <eg>!
> >
> > Holy smoke!!!! I just paid $ 150 to buy an 98 to XP upgrade.
> > Wasted money?
> > Matter of fact, I still normally use 98 - XP is there only in case I
> want to
> > install a program which won't run on 98.
> >
> > Oh, well . . . . . guess I'm a luddite. . . .(-:
> >
> > John <><
> >
> > A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> > with an other monkey's monkey.
> > (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
>
 
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Dan, Bill, and who else will stay with 98SE until at least 30 June 2006?


"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > Just in case your post wasn't totally in jest...
> >
> > Windows 98, 98SE and ME will soon relatively worthless for normal,
> > internet-connected use.
>
> Now just what does that mean? (Prove it, cause I don't believe it).
>
> Let me define "relatively worthless" here: not able to connect and go to web
> sites.
> In which case I'd say, I'll believe it when I see that actually happen!
>
> > Windows XP is the *only* decent next-step for
> > most current 9x users, at least within the Windows group.
>
> Well, I won't deny that, when someone decides it's finally necessary to
> upgrade.
>
> > Windows XP *should_be* good for another three to five years. My point
> > was that, with the way Longhorn development is proceeding, getting it
> > mainstreamed even by 2010, when XP will most assuredly have reached
> > untenability, is questionable. Yes, I'm exaggerating by a year or two--I
> > hope.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "John" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > news:gtst51ljk2t7nnlh29p2pmecoleoq1un7m@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:43:10 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> <grystnews@mvps.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The way things are going, you're going to have a hard time maintaining
> >>> *XP* until LH comes out, <eg>!
> >>
> >> Holy smoke!!!! I just paid $ 150 to buy an 98 to XP upgrade.
> >> Wasted money?
> >> Matter of fact, I still normally use 98 - XP is there only in case I want
> to
> >> install a program which won't run on 98.
> >>
> >> Oh, well . . . . . guess I'm a luddite. . . .(-:
> >>
> >> John <><
> >>
> >> A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
> >> with an other monkey's monkey.
> >> (A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).
>
>
>
 
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XP PRO. SP2 hacked with a LinkSys wired firewall and Computer Associates
EZARMOR with software firewall and antivirus

The hack from China was stopped by Zone Alarm Professional in 98SE because
the hacker could not get to the data since my letter to Bill Gates worked and
98SE was updated quickly to ensure the security of my work Gary, Richard and
all MVP's so I guess I will be the only one besides some people at Microsoft
who admit 98SE is awesome.

You are right for the average non-technie then go with XP PRO. SP 2 since
98SE needs a great deal of maintenance which I love to make fully secure.

Zone Alarm Professional with Antivirus

SpySweeper by Webroot

these two packages will make a carefully run 98SE system fairly secure and
it will be more secure than XP PRO SP 2 if the user is a powerful computer
information technology expert

http://cquirke.mvps.org/nomos.htm

<Geez when will people wake up and see the light and Microsoft game>

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

> Your definition of "relatively worthless" is different from the one that
> Gary and I share:
>
> "Windows 98, SE and Me will soon be relatively worthless for
> Internet-connected use as the number of exploits they are/will be vulnerable
> to will make them a dangerous platform."
>
> If you want to trust your personal data to a Windows 98, SE or Me computer
> that can no longer be adequately secured while online, that's your choice.
> I consider it to be an unwise one.
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
>
>
>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%235zz2mVQFHA.3296@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >> Just in case your post wasn't totally in jest...
> >>
> >> Windows 98, 98SE and ME will soon relatively worthless for normal,
> >> internet-connected use.
> >
> > Now just what does that mean? (Prove it, cause I don't believe it).
>
>
>
 
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I will change this computer world because that is my mission in life.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Additionally, a vast number of websites, including most of the ones that
> even you probably consider required reading today, will be adopting
> technologies that Windows 9x system with IE 6.1 won't be able to use.
> The situation will be comparable to "text-only" alternate versions that
> were quite common up until a few years ago. (And the current version of
> IE *will* be the last IE that's installable to any Win9x system.)
>
> The trend has already begun, at least at the design stage, and I predict
> that it will reach >80% (measured by traffic) before Longhorn is
> released. You either won't be able to afford the "legacy" technology
> that you will require in order to even reach the internet, or you won't
> find much worth doing once you get there. Hell, within another couple of
> years, PCs that will even support Win9x OS systems, period (except
> perhaps those mounted into Virtual PC or similar) will start dying off
> by the millions, much like 486s died off about a decade ago.
>
> Bill, you're quite welcome to be a Luddite. More power to you. But don't
> think for a minute that you will have much company. And once your
> numbers dwindle to <5%, *nobody* will any longer care about your needs
> or desires. Any whining about "compatibility" will fall on deaf ears,
> and rightly so.
>
> Do I have proof? No. Only time will prove the veracity of my
> predictions. But while I may be off in this or that particular aspect,
> or off by a few months to a year, one way or the other, in timing, I'll
> bet you a hundred dollars that my predictions will, in great measure,
> prove true. Nominate a referee if you want though I will naturally
> reserve the right to reject any that I consider overly biased, <s>.
> Shall we call it, say, this time in 2008? (Just remember that this NG
> will be moribund except for old toothless geezers talkin' about the good
> old days, so look me up in the Longhorn groups when you're ready to pay
> up.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote in message
> news:eCVlW1VQFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Your definition of "relatively worthless" is different from the one
> that
> > Gary and I share:
> >
> > "Windows 98, SE and Me will soon be relatively worthless for
> > Internet-connected use as the number of exploits they are/will be
> vulnerable
> > to will make them a dangerous platform."
> >
> > If you want to trust your personal data to a Windows 98, SE or Me
> computer
> > that can no longer be adequately secured while online, that's your
> choice.
> > I consider it to be an unwise one.
> >
> > --
> > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com
> > * In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
> > * http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:%235zz2mVQFHA.3296@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > >> Just in case your post wasn't totally in jest...
> > >>
> > >> Windows 98, 98SE and ME will soon relatively worthless for normal,
> > >> internet-connected use.
> > >
> > > Now just what does that mean? (Prove it, cause I don't believe
> it).
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Exactly, Glen. Finally, someone like Chris Quirke, MVP that is more
practical. Have a nice week, Glen. 🙂

"glee" wrote:

>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:exaOn%23WQFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl..
> <snip>
> > Additionally, a vast number of websites, including most of the ones that
> > even you probably consider required reading today, will be adopting
> > technologies that Windows 9x system with IE 6.1 won't be able to use.
> > The situation will be comparable to "text-only" alternate versions that
> > were quite common up until a few years ago. (And the current version of
> > IE *will* be the last IE that's installable to any Win9x system.)
> <snip>
>
> So you are saying that using an alternate web browser will not allow one to use the
> Internet anymore? One must use an XP system's IE or get off the Internet? I am
> having a hard time buying that part of your argument, Gary.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
>
 
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Gary in the future there will not be a true NT source code or a true 9x
source code or a true Linux/Unix source code. Sorry, I really want to tell
all but sadly I cannot.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> No, I'm saying that *whatever* web browser you find yourself using in
> 2008, it will either be severely limited in functionality or it won't be
> installed on a Win9x system. I just used IE as the primary example.
>
> But that's not all I'm saying. Less and less new equipment will support
> Win9x, dwindling to negligible by the end of the decade, and whatever
> equipment now exists that supports Win9x will either be incompatible
> with the rest of the world or will be burned out. Not only that, I'm
> betting that dial-up connections will be so rare that they will cost a
> mint to use, and that the alternatives will, again, be entirely
> incompatible with Win9x systems. Another aspect that I haven't mentioned
> yet, and which may or may not ever occur, and even if it does will
> probably take a bit longer than three years to fulfill--In the eyes of
> many, *Something* has to be done about the wild-west nature of the
> internet and the resulting *expensive* garbage, invasion of privacy,
> etc., etc., and I'm guessing it will involve technologies that will
> force a good part of what's out there today into quick oblivion. Look
> for this to be a major issue in politics over the next few years.
>
> In short, by the end of this decade, even *if* you can make it to the
> internet, or even run Win9x at all, perhaps, it will be as a child
> system on a LAN that is based upon XP or later, or, just maybe, from
> within a VPC. Which kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think?
>
> No, I don't think *all* of this will have come to pass in the next three
> years, but a great portion will have, and my predictions will be fully
> realized by 2010 or so. So says I.
>
> (Hey, what fun is predicting the future if you don't stick your neck out
> just a bit, <bg>?)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:eE$NbJXQFHA.3816@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:exaOn%23WQFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl..
> > <snip>
> > > Additionally, a vast number of websites, including most of the ones
> that
> > > even you probably consider required reading today, will be adopting
> > > technologies that Windows 9x system with IE 6.1 won't be able to
> use.
> > > The situation will be comparable to "text-only" alternate versions
> that
> > > were quite common up until a few years ago. (And the current version
> of
> > > IE *will* be the last IE that's installable to any Win9x system.)
> > <snip>
> >
> > So you are saying that using an alternate web browser will not allow
> one to use the
> > Internet anymore? One must use an XP system's IE or get off the
> Internet? I am
> > having a hard time buying that part of your argument, Gary.
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> >
>
>
 
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What is the best way inyho to acquire MS-DOS 6.22, Glen?

"glee" wrote:

> While I understand and agree with most of your original statements regarding the
> need to upgrade in order to remain secure online for the most part, I don't see how
> you make the quantum leap that someone using Win98SE three years from now will find
> themselves severely limited in browser functionality. Just because IE6 may not be
> able to handle some of the web pages three years from now (just as IE4 became
> outdated a few years ago), does not mean that there won't be capable browsers
> available that will still support Win98SE....Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, Deepnet
> Explorer. Gary, I have a 486 with only DOS 6.22 installed, and I can surf the
> Internet just fine, and use email, using the DOS Arachne browser. Plenty of
> functionality still there. I think there will be browsers available that will
> operate on Win98 and allow all the web's functionality, years from now. Take a look
> at the win3x_wfw_dos group and you will find a number of users still fully
> functioning online, with those old operating systems, and not posing any security
> risks....indeed, many of today's malware won't run on those systems.
>
> There are currently still a large number of people worldwide, such as in Eastern
> Europe, who still use 486's and even 386's. There are a lot of users right here in
> the US still using their old Pentium 166, or PII 233. A co-worker of mine is very
> happy since I got him a "new" pc.....a PII 450. While I fully understand that
> legacy hardware is being phased out, that simply does not mean that it will no
> longer be in use. I find that we "geek" types sometimes forget that not everyone
> buys or builds a new computer every couple of years, and a lot of folks expect their
> investment to last them a long while.
>
> I am definitely not arguing with most of what you are saying....I agree with most of
> it, for better or worse....but I do not think that Win98SE will become quite as
> "dead" as the picture you paint. As for dial-up, I don't see that changing in the
> way you describe, and I am quite likely to still be on dial-up three years from now.
> Other than that, I think we agree. ;-)
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:u2gQ7SXQFHA.1096@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > No, I'm saying that *whatever* web browser you find yourself using in
> > 2008, it will either be severely limited in functionality or it won't be
> > installed on a Win9x system. I just used IE as the primary example.
> >
> > But that's not all I'm saying. Less and less new equipment will support
> > Win9x, dwindling to negligible by the end of the decade, and whatever
> > equipment now exists that supports Win9x will either be incompatible
> > with the rest of the world or will be burned out. Not only that, I'm
> > betting that dial-up connections will be so rare that they will cost a
> > mint to use, and that the alternatives will, again, be entirely
> > incompatible with Win9x systems. Another aspect that I haven't mentioned
> > yet, and which may or may not ever occur, and even if it does will
> > probably take a bit longer than three years to fulfill--In the eyes of
> > many, *Something* has to be done about the wild-west nature of the
> > internet and the resulting *expensive* garbage, invasion of privacy,
> > etc., etc., and I'm guessing it will involve technologies that will
> > force a good part of what's out there today into quick oblivion. Look
> > for this to be a major issue in politics over the next few years.
> >
> > In short, by the end of this decade, even *if* you can make it to the
> > internet, or even run Win9x at all, perhaps, it will be as a child
> > system on a LAN that is based upon XP or later, or, just maybe, from
> > within a VPC. Which kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think?
> >
> > No, I don't think *all* of this will have come to pass in the next three
> > years, but a great portion will have, and my predictions will be fully
> > realized by 2010 or so. So says I.
> >
> > (Hey, what fun is predicting the future if you don't stick your neck out
> > just a bit, <bg>?)
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:eE$NbJXQFHA.3816@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > > news:exaOn%23WQFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl..
> > > <snip>
> > > > Additionally, a vast number of websites, including most of the ones
> > that
> > > > even you probably consider required reading today, will be adopting
> > > > technologies that Windows 9x system with IE 6.1 won't be able to
> > use.
> > > > The situation will be comparable to "text-only" alternate versions
> > that
> > > > were quite common up until a few years ago. (And the current version
> > of
> > > > IE *will* be the last IE that's installable to any Win9x system.)
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > So you are saying that using an alternate web browser will not allow
> > one to use the
> > > Internet anymore? One must use an XP system's IE or get off the
> > Internet? I am
> > > having a hard time buying that part of your argument, Gary.
> > > --
> > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> > >
> >
>
>
 
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Smart move, wireless security is nill and even wired security is a joke with
admin and admin for passwords. All one has to do is interupt the signal and
then admin and admin it and lock you out of your router. That is what
happened to me and how a hacker bypassed an $80 LinkSys wired router.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Hey, maybe the beta groups.google will finally go RTM before then and
> actually work. Then we can come back to this and compare notes.
>
> I gotta wonder, though, just what kind of sites you can surf using DOS
> 6.22. What browser?
>
> No, I'm not saying that the whole world will be 100% as I described,
> just 99.99% of it. And in many of the things I described, I really feel
> like 2008 will be the threshold year, with saturation being achieved
> over the next two to three years after that. In particular, I think you
> seriously underestimate the amount of progress that is being made in
> communications infrastructure worldwide. I live in an area that is quite
> remote in infrastructure terms (seriously mountainous.) We only *just*
> got DSL at the beginning of last year, and already, in combination with
> WiFi systems that came in at around the same time, and satellite which
> became much more competitive, the saturation is well over 80% of users
> (whose numbers grew substantially, also)--compared to 99% dial-up 15
> months ago. Likewise, the growth in multiple-computer households is just
> astounding. I also expect to be a groundswell of support for legal
> restrictions being implemented regarding privacy and security, much of
> which will require much better encryption, etc., and besides simply
> becoming passé, older systems will be *forced* off of the internet. Look
> for that to be a *major* issue in the 2008 Presidential elections here
> in the US and other political debates throughout the world.
>
> And the next wave will be homes and businesses being overhauled to use
> fully integrated systems that combine *all* communications, a *lot* of
> the service industry, and entertainment delivery. Which is why I've gone
> ridiculously overboard with renovations of the house we purchased last
> fall, with almost as many LAN/Coaxial/Sound stations as there are
> electrical outlets. (OK, I exaggerate. The ratio is more like two to
> one, and the wife refused to let me put any stations in the bathrooms.)
>
> And already, I'm kicking myself for not installing gigabit wiring
> instead of CAT5e. Yes, I'm a Neanderthal and don't like wireless.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KYKs4hQFHA.4020@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > While I understand and agree with most of your original statements
> regarding the
> > need to upgrade in order to remain secure online for the most part, I
> don't see how
> > you make the quantum leap that someone using Win98SE three years from
> now will find
> > themselves severely limited in browser functionality. Just because
> IE6 may not be
> > able to handle some of the web pages three years from now (just as IE4
> became
> > outdated a few years ago), does not mean that there won't be capable
> browsers
> > available that will still support Win98SE....Firefox, Mozilla, Opera,
> Deepnet
> > Explorer. Gary, I have a 486 with only DOS 6.22 installed, and I can
> surf the
> > Internet just fine, and use email, using the DOS Arachne browser.
> Plenty of
> > functionality still there. I think there will be browsers available
> that will
> > operate on Win98 and allow all the web's functionality, years from
> now. Take a look
> > at the win3x_wfw_dos group and you will find a number of users still
> fully
> > functioning online, with those old operating systems, and not posing
> any security
> > risks....indeed, many of today's malware won't run on those systems.
> >
> > There are currently still a large number of people worldwide, such as
> in Eastern
> > Europe, who still use 486's and even 386's. There are a lot of users
> right here in
> > the US still using their old Pentium 166, or PII 233. A co-worker of
> mine is very
> > happy since I got him a "new" pc.....a PII 450. While I fully
> understand that
> > legacy hardware is being phased out, that simply does not mean that it
> will no
> > longer be in use. I find that we "geek" types sometimes forget that
> not everyone
> > buys or builds a new computer every couple of years, and a lot of
> folks expect their
> > investment to last them a long while.
> >
> > I am definitely not arguing with most of what you are saying....I
> agree with most of
> > it, for better or worse....but I do not think that Win98SE will become
> quite as
> > "dead" as the picture you paint. As for dial-up, I don't see that
> changing in the
> > way you describe, and I am quite likely to still be on dial-up three
> years from now.
> > Other than that, I think we agree. ;-)
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
>
 
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Sweet, I love the F-100 Fords, Glen. I am really happy you drive one and I
love when I sometimes see them here in Tucson. 🙂

"glee" wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:uqh9HajQFHA.1884@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > snip
> > I agree with ya, Glen. I think Gary's being a bit of a naysayer here.
> > There is just WAY too much older stuff out there in the world to believe
> > that IE6 will be next to useless in 3 years (I think). Or that all
> > Win98SE machines will be forced to the scrap heap, and only WinXP machines
> > will useful. (And, again, just for the record, my 1988 Nissan is doing
> > just fine in this world, thank you. 🙂
> >
> > Bill, the "Luddite". 🙂
>
> My 1972 Ford F-100 daily driver has you beat, Luddy!
>
>
 
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They may be somewhat more useful than XP PRO. SP2 machines if my mission and
vision is fulfilled as planned by the higher power.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I never said "IE6 and Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008".
>
> I said they'd be "relatively worthless."
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:OmdQVkrQFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > But is that the only car you're driving? Mine is. So there!
> > Hey, maybe we should take Gary up on that bet (about how he thinks IE6
> and
> > Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008. Wanna get in on the bet?)
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Keep fighting for 98SE, Bill in Co. I support you all the way. 🙂

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Come on now, that's just semantics. Of course your definition of
> "relatively worthless", and mine, may be quite different. As long as my
> computer is still functional for what I use it for, that's enough for me!
> Once that point passes, I'll have to bite the bullet.
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > I never said "IE6 and Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008".
> >
> > I said they'd be "relatively worthless."
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:OmdQVkrQFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> But is that the only car you're driving? Mine is. So there!
> >> Hey, maybe we should take Gary up on that bet (about how he thinks IE6
> and
> >> Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008. Wanna get in on the bet?)
>
>
>
 
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Depends if the critical updates is extened again beyond June 2006 but you are
probably mostly right on this point.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> No, it's not "just semantics". Useless means without any use whatsoever.
> "Relatively worthless" suggests that for most people, Win98/IE6 won't
> get the job done, will limit their surfing abilities to the extent that
> they will "need" something more up to date.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:OpUAnfuQFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Come on now, that's just semantics. Of course your definition of
> > "relatively worthless", and mine, may be quite different. As long as
> my
> > computer is still functional for what I use it for, that's enough for
> me!
> > Once that point passes, I'll have to bite the bullet.
> >
> > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > > I never said "IE6 and Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008".
> > >
> > > I said they'd be "relatively worthless."
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP Shell/User
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > >
> > > "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:OmdQVkrQFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >> But is that the only car you're driving? Mine is. So there!
> > >> Hey, maybe we should take Gary up on that bet (about how he thinks
> IE6
> > and
> > >> Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008. Wanna get in on the
> bet?)
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Gary like I said XP PRO. SP2 with hardware wired $80 LinkSys firewall with
Computer Associates EZARMOR with all ports blocked it was easily hacked. $50
Mini 2.5 Keylogger placed and someone proceeded to overload the operating
system and then wipe it all out. It was in NTFS and yes it proved my point
because the hacker tried to hit 98SE and it easily withstood the full hack.
Remember the hack that hit my 98SE system from China. LOL!!

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Considering the escalating pace of ID theft, etc., I fell fairly certain
> that, yes, you *will* need something more secure, in ways that are only
> now being developed, in order to make use of the services you mention
> within the next few years. The finger-in-the-dike methods being employed
> today aren't going to hold back the flood much longer.
>
> And, yes, you hit upon another aspect, if obliquely. For instance,
> online delivery of multimedia is as yet in its infancy. And just as DVDs
> have replaced VHS, and as the new home-delivery of DVDs on a
> subscription basis will bite deeply into the Video Store market, DVDs
> themselves will sooner than later be obsolete as entertainment delivery
> vehicles, also.
>
> But those are just examples. Fact is, I have no fixed idea of what the
> future will hold, I just know that it *won't*, for the most part, be
> supported by Win9x based technology. As with so many other aspects of
> modern life, you'll either keep up with the Joneses or you'll be
> sidelined.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:OTc4FsxQFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > > No, it's not "just semantics". Useless means without any use
> whatsoever.
> > > "Relatively worthless" suggests that for most people, Win98/IE6
> won't
> > > get the job done, will limit their surfing abilities to the extent
> that
> > > they will "need" something more up to date.
> >
> > Well then, in what way will their "surfing abilities" be "too
> limited"?
> > For example, I can't imaging their cutting off Internet Banking, or
> placing
> > Internet orders, for so many customers out there (I bet some even with
> 386's
> > and 486's, still using Windows 95, and maybe even Windows 3.1)
> >
> > As for "getting the job done", that depends on which apps they are
> running.
> > If you're implying they *need* (as in MUST) to use the latest versions
> of
> > Office and whatnot, then I'd probably have to agree.
> >
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP Shell/User
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > >
> > > "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:OpUAnfuQFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > >> Come on now, that's just semantics. Of course your definition
> of
> > >> "relatively worthless", and mine, may be quite different. As long
> as my
> > >> computer is still functional for what I use it for, that's enough
> for me!
> > >> Once that point passes, I'll have to bite the bullet.
> > >>
> > >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > >>> I never said "IE6 and Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008".
> > >>>
> > >>> I said they'd be "relatively worthless."
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Gary S. Terhune
> > >>> MS MVP Shell/User
> > >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> > >>>
> > >>> "Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >>> news:OmdQVkrQFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >>>> But is that the only car you're driving? Mine is. So there!
> > >>>> Hey, maybe we should take Gary up on that bet (about how he
> thinks IE6
> > and
> > >>>> Win98SE machines will be useless in 2008. Wanna get in on the
> bet?)
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Exactly and at least I am willing to give my real first name, Dan. What is
up with you anyway darkrat(s)? Are you just dwelling in darkness and afraid
of the light and is that your potential issue(s)? Oh well, I guess darkrats
hates me since he/she doesn't ever answer any questions of mine so I will
discontinue even trying to help darkrats in the future. <unless darkrat(s) --
aka Alias has a change of heart> LOL!!

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> It's not considered proper to post direct links to executables in these
> groups, and I recommend that people not use them.
>
> You crack me up. You're not willing to use Windows Updates or the
> Windows Updates catalog, for whatever reason, yet you *are* willing to
> use a download link that appears at Windows Updates Catalog. I can't
> find any logic in that.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "roman modic" <modicr@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:ePnxlUtQFHA.688@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Hello,
> >
> > "darkrats" <darkrats@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uq6RbCHQFHA.1096@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Here we go again.
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting the information pages.
> > > Can you please post a direct link to the KB890923 item for 98/ME.
> > >
> > > I don't see it on any of the pages.
> > > And I would prefer not to use "Windows Update".
> > >
> > > Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >
> >
> > Found the direct link for KB890923 that I
> > needed for our Slovenian Windows 98 SE.
> >
> >
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB890923-Windows-98-ME-x86-ENU_d6b3347fe6bc1b21cce7b43fa82fb76.exe
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/9am8f
> >
> > More links at this excellent page:
> > http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/iewmpupd.html
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Roman
> >
> >
>
>
 
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:51:02 -0700, Dan <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>What is the best way inyho to acquire MS-DOS 6.22, Glen?
>
Hey Dan, I still have DOS 6.11 on (three) floppies, and W 3.1 on (five) floppies
They came with my first computer, a 486, way back when.

Perhaps, I should auction the floppies - they may be worth more than I paid for
the whole computer originally ($ 1,500 CAD).
BTW, I'm still at this time using the keyboard that came with that first
computer - it has outlasted a few flimsy ones that came with subsequent
computers.
So . . . let the bidding begin! Do I hear $ 50.00 (US) + S&H?

John <><

A wise monkey is a monkey who doesn't monkey
with an other monkey's monkey.
(A very free paraphrase of Exodus 20:14).