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Crysis 4870 benchmarks (includes CF):

4745454b

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God I hope these are true.

I've been reading from the Nvidia fanboys about how the 4870 won't get near the new GTX cards. Either of them. If these pictures are true, then the 4870 looks to be the GTX 260s "equal" with only the GTX 280 to look up to. Considering that the 260 is slower, and costs more, calling it the equal to the 4870 is wrong.

Again, assuming these are not photoshopped. The thing I don't get is why AMD didn't announce these gains earlier. I thought they claimed that the 4870 was going to go up against the 8800GTS, while the 4850 was going to compete with the 8800GT. Instead, the 4850 is going up against the 9800GTX, and the 4870 is looking to take out the GTX260.
 

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@4745454b: ok maybe maybe. the AMD people's strategy was to downsize their product. and the moment the benchmarks come out. boom, you got a winner. not against what they claimed they are trying to compete. but against the ones which are stronger.
after all, if their produce failed to go against the 9800GTX, an GTX260. they still can say, we said our products will go against the 8800GT and 8800GTS and it did infact do that.

it is like, they down hyped it. made a safety net in case of failure of their product. and then they won it by defeating the higher guns of nvidia which werent supposed to defeat.

hope my language and thoughts are understood. :)
 

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Yeah but those are the same people who do not have any concept of value, or more like they were never taught the value of "value", you know people with more money than sense...
 

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4870 fits the bill for my 22inch samsung LCD @ 1680x1050 and since I've got an X48 chipset I'll be able to pop in another 4870 later after a few price drops.
 

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Hmmm... these results are from amd??? and not even official..., so take them so... Nvidia says that 9800GTX+ is 22% faster than 4850, and now ATI says that sigle 4870 as fast as 9800GX2...??? Well there definitely is some bias with both companies announses.
The truth is still out there somewhere, but not in these two "official" benshmarks...
 

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for those of you whos really earger in knowing the price point, heres a little teaser for ya
(few competitive firms in Aus have the GTX 260 and HD4870 on sale since last week)
*all currency in AUD*
Gainward GTX260 575Mhz 896Mb PCI-E ~$459.00
Powercolor HD4870 512Mb DDR5 PCI-E ~$399.00
also note:
XFX GTX280 600Mhz 1Gb PCI-E ~$799.00
Powercolor, HIS, Sapphire HD4850 625Mhz 512Mb PCI-E ~$229.00
;)
 

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AMD takes so much flax for pre-release FUD that they probably decided to just let the numbers speak for themselves. We will know for sure next week, but if the 4870 scales up in performance from the 4850, then it looks good.

The 4870x2 looks even better. No need for me to upgrade from the 3870x2 right now, as that does well vs. the GTX series. I never expected my card to be in second or third place in benchmarks vs. the GTX280. In some the 9800gx2 wins, in others, the GTX280, but the 3870x2 isn't far behind and is well ahead of other last gen Nvidia cards.

Now, if AMD can make this kind of comeback with Deneb at the holiday season, then I'll be even happier! Deneb doesn't have to beat Nehalem, it just needs to be competitive at my price range vs. a Penryn.



Yes and, as stupid as it sounds, people will buy more than one 4870x2. Two of those should beat the GTX280 in triple SLI -- especially as CrossfireX matures.
 

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By then the GTX280 should be cheaper too. I doubt it will stay at its current price for long. But as I've said before, why not rip off the consumer when you have a monopoly in the high end? AMD hasn't released a competitor yet, they've only shown us graphs.
 

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Whats with the performance of the 9800gx2 in those graphs....? seems a little low considering that it beats the gtx280??

Makes me think that something maybe fake..
 

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By your logic, Nvidia should drop the price $200 come high noon on Wednesday. I expect the card will only drop in price by $50 to $100 after the 4870x2 arrives. I don't see Nvidia dropping the price on this soon. How much has the Ultra dropped in price and how long did that take?

I know, you're an Nvidia fan and want to see Nvidia win. I'm an ATI fan and don't care about ATI wins at the high end, because I don't allow a trickle down effect where I make my decisions on what to buy based on what's the high end at the time.

Oh all right, I did buy one high end card the month it was out and on top; my current 3870x2, but I had quite a bit of a tax return and no major bills so I could splurge for once. Since then, it's dropped about $51 and I still don't have a 24" LCD to do the card justice, or the CPU to match.

So, maybe I was the idiot then? But there are "Nvidiots" in every card generation who pay around $600 for Huang's high end single GPU monster. At least I didn't pay more than $449 for my card the week it was released, and it's factory overclocked.

Know what? When ATI occasionally has the high end, they still don't rip off consumers.



No, Nvidia's worst enemy is Nvidia's CEO. If Nvidia had allowed Intel a free SLI license, then we might be seeing SLI on Intel, though I think Intel does see using Crossfire as an easy way to keep AMD alive as a competitor and to stave off regulators. ATI keeps AMD afloat and Intel using ATI standards and sharing Havok does not endanger competition in the CPU arena. We'll see how it all pans out once Larabee is in the marketplace. Hopefully, it will use Crossfire as it's standard too.

Nvidia's going for the gold but getting a silver. Huang insists on massive monster GPU's, can't give CUDA away and talks trash vs. Intel long before Intel has Larabee to market. Nvidia partners with Via at the low end to compete against Atom and has no high end CPU plans they'll talk about for the days when Fusion arrives.

To get SLI, you need Nvidia chipsets, so perhaps that's their way of ensuring a total platform for the loyal fans?
 

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Those benchmarks seem seriously off to me. My 9800GTX (OC) gets higher FPS than every single card shown there (1680x1050), only being beaten by SLI/CF. I know there's no info on the hardware used for the rest of the test builds, but I'm sure my rig can't be that much faster (if at all) than the system they were benching on.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if these same people are gaming an a 24" or less monitor; which is a waste given that SLI/CF really shines on a bigger screen and higher resolutions. I just can't imagine spending (*cough*wasting*cough*) over $1200USD on two gpus especially in the light of the 4850/4870. Definetely more money than sense...



There is a certain irony in that one of the reasons why ATI/AMD gpus will continue to sell well and gain market share is because of Intel. Intel may be beating AMD when it comes to desktop cpus but at the same time they are also indirectly putting money in ATI/AMD's pocket by exculsively supporting CF.


 

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i dunno...Anandtech.com has benchmarks of the 4850 and it seems to be competing (and beating in some catagories) with the gtx 260 and 280 fairly nicely...and the 4850 is $199 on newegg right now....ill be more than happy to spend $199 to get performance on par or better than a $400 OR $600 card. Just my opinion.
 

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I think you answered your own question. :)

Your card is overclocked, and we do not know the rest of the hardware. Relatively speaking these do seem reasonable.
 

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Well, if that's the case, the small ammount of self pity I felt for not waiting for these new cards has passed. :D
 

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I'm not sure how the new Ati's are doing with AA, but that used to be a heavy performance hitting feature for them. That might be the reason why they perform so good now.

But I let my wallet speak and at this moment the best price would be a 48*0. I hope a lot of people will buy them all but wait with buying the 280 for the price to drop. Show Nvidia those days are dead, everything is getting more expansive, we have less money to spend and they increase the price again.
 

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