Crytek: PC A Generation Ahead of Consoles

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[citation][nom]ultameca[/nom]I also agree that cost is an issue...when crysis came out only rich people could enjoy it and we are just getting to full playability with what.. the next generation of GFX cards to come out in 2011...sure you can take 3 gfx cards and crossfire/sli but people like me can't afford to buy even one high end card.you can't release a game that only 5% or less of the community can afford to play and expect it to do well, that's just insane...I don't even think you could max it out back then with those older cards and nvidia was charging over 500 bucks if I remember per card... ouch...[/citation]
You could not be more wrong. The only thing that consoles have over even low end gaming PCs is great marketing from MS and Sony.
In order to get the graphics details you would in a game on a console you don't need a high end PC. Yes, a console is 200$ compared to a PC for 400$ that will give you the same FPS at medium settings(those are comparable to consoles) but when you consider the fact that you will constantly pay 20-30 $ more on each and every game you buy for a console and the fact that that thing is JUST a console then a PC might be better. THe only thing that was standing out in the past was the Blu-ray player in the PS3. But now BR players are cheap.

Also about piracy... everybody seems to forget that the 360 has been cracked such a long time ago, and if you look on torrent sites they are full of xbox360 games, with thousands of seeders. MS should have done a better job at protecting their console.
 
Most of what he said is common sense, hearing it from him doesn't make it any different.

Probably the reason Crysis is pirated so much is because of SecuROM. As with Assassin's Creed 2 with their DRM. All of these anti-piracy measures give people more of an incentive to get pirated copies.
 
[citation][nom]TemjinGold[/nom]So wait, he's complaining that because graphics has hit a wall, developers might actually have to make games that aren't just pretty?[/citation]

Don't rate him down, he is right. Crysis is not famous because a complex plot or a innovative gameplay.
 
[citation][nom]Haserath[/nom]*sigh* If only you could buy a gaming PC for $199, the market wouldn't be so small since many of the gamers are below 18(thus very little money) or won't justify $600+ for gaming when the comp will become worthless in a few years. Instead we have Intel gouging prices along with Windows 7. At least we have AMD for cheaper processors, but there isn't a free OS that will provide a good gaming experience.[/citation]
Sounds like this person wants everything given to him....someone please explain to this person how the economy works.
 
Uhm I would say several generations as I upgrade every year but can afford to its a hobby to me. Its how it is with consoles, any Joe can go pick up a $199 console and a $60 game and play but not everyone can lay down $1000k plus or in my case $3000k for hardware capable of playing at high resolutions suck as 2560 x 1600 like me. I demand the best and buy it. Its, surprising to me the amount of people I play online with think that older guys plays these games too we just have better hardware is all. I'm 41 and will play these games until I'm gone, its fun to see a build come together and the end result of it. For me its awesome to be able to boot up in 12 seconds, first one loaded into the game with SSD drives yes I have 2 one for OS one for games and a terabyte backup. Quad core @4ghz there is nothing else that comes close to playing with maxed out specs gaming at its best imo!
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umm, if you are spending 1-3 million on PC's alone share some with the rest of us please.
 
It is sad to see a once industry leading PC game developer say that they are going along with the sheep heard of other developers, dropping the PC gamers that made them on what they are to the curb and going after the money pile that sub-18yr old kids parents/family drop on their weak, low-Q GFX, and iffy controls, consoles and games.

I lost who said this above, but why the heck aren't games coded for PC's them dumbed down for the lame consoles? Instead PC gamers get the poop covered end of the stick.

How come everyone is so fast to forget how much these consoles cost when they came out? Sure they may be more affordable now but add a small collection of games, online play, a couple controllers, and any other accessory and your talking the price of a quite a nice PC, and those are at todays prices not release day. And those prices are so nice because in a few years time your pretty consoles are going to be obsolete and replaced with another $600 brick that if your lucky will play all those $60 games you had your parents buy you, but don't count on it, anyone trying to say consoles are a cheaper route really have lost sight of the marketing departments well thought out plans for you.
 
[citation][nom]terror112[/nom]Maybe if the game was worth spending $60 on....[/citation]
When The original Crysis came out for PC, they were only asking $40 brand new from the start. IF a company releases a PC exclusive for two thirds the price of a console game, and it still leads the pirating charts, than i don't believe Pirates can pull the whole price inflation card anymore...
 
[citation][nom]thechief73[/nom]
How come everyone is so fast to forget how much these consoles cost when they came out? Sure they may be more affordable now but add a small collection of games, online play, a couple controllers, and any other accessory and your talking the price of a quite a nice PC, and those are at todays prices not release day. And those prices are so nice because in a few years time your pretty consoles are going to be obsolete and replaced with another $600 brick that if your lucky will play all those $60 games you had your parents buy you, but don't count on it, anyone trying to say consoles are a cheaper route really have lost sight of the marketing departments well thought out plans for you.[/citation]

Completely agree!, and I would even add something else: when the new console comes out, there is absolutely no guarantee you can play the previous generation games on it! You have to pray your old console lasts for as long as you want to play them. If it breaks you're left to spending more money on a repair, or a new or second-hand one.

With a PC, even if it's incompatible with a new OS, you can always 1. run the older OS alongside the new OS; 2. always have access to the game files and a whole community eager to fix them for compatibility or writing an emulator for it. You can't do that on a console.

In fact, this is so blatantly true, that whatever games you have for the gameboy, game gear or other ancient gaming machines, like I do, the only way to get to play those classic (I own the cartridges, but the hardware stopped working properly a long time ago) is to get the ROM's and play them through an emulator...on a PC!
 
id say most of the people who pirated Crysis, did so just to see if their PC could run it, not to actually play the game. Ill probably give it a look now that you can get crysis, crysis warhead, and the expansion in 1 pack for like $30AU. But when it first came out people were lucky if they could even run it, so who was going to buy it except the few people with SLI, OC'd top end PC's which STILL couldnt run it maxed out?
 
There are so many points to make I don't have time to think. Yes people pirate games but also for every system because it's easy and it's cheaper. Also, for a game to make money, it has to be well made. No one is going to go out and buy a crappy game for $60, but for something like Starcraft II or Diablo III, people will all buy it because they are huge franchises that have enormous reputations for being some of the best games. For example, I ended up buying Oblivion and all expansions 3 times since I kept losing the discs. There is one reason to crack/pirate your games but I didn't because it was such a good game. For Elder Scrolls 5, I will not even think about pirating because it's a fantastic franchise. As for ports, yes they are annoying such as the Force Unleashed Series cuz they are not optimized for PC at all. If you want to make money, make a good game only then will we make you filthy rich 😀
 
first of all... NO SHIT!

secondly:

"Although the PC is a generation ahead of the consoles, multi-platform games will suffer limitations on the PC due to console hardware restraints."

only poorly coded multi-platform games... which is sadly, most of them.
 
[citation][nom]iam2thecrowe[/nom]But when it first came out people were lucky if they could even run it, so who was going to buy it except the few people with SLI, OC'd top end PC's which STILL couldnt run it maxed out?[/citation]

That is not entirely correct. Most people could run the game, and it benefited a lot from 2GB of RAM. I had a Pentium 4 at 3Ghz, 1GB ram DDR 400 Mhz and a Geforce 7600GS, and it could run it at low settings. But afterwards, I upgraded to an AsRock motherboard that could run AGP and DDR or DDR2 + Conroe Chips and got a second hand and very cheap Pentium Dual Core E2140 1.6Ghz and 2GB DDR2 533 and the very same Geforce 7600GS, and it could now run on medium. And lets not foget this:

- Crysis was released on November 13, 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis)
A dual core processor was available since late 2005, and the 7600GS was a low midrange GPU from 2006!

- let's not also forget that the more affordable 8800GT was launched BEFORE Crysis - October 29, 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series) - it initially cost less than half of an 8800GTX, but because demand was so high, prices wnet up in the following months. But still, that's because it was VERY popular. Heck, it still is! I just sold mine less than a month ago to buy a new HD6850 (twice the performance)
 
[citation][nom]Soldier37[/nom]Uhm I would say several generations as I upgrade every year but can afford to its a hobby to me. Its how it is with consoles, any Joe can go pick up a $199 console and a $60 game and play but not everyone can lay down $1000k plus or in my case $3000k for hardware capable of playing at high resolutions suck as 2560 x 1600 like me. I demand the best and buy it. Its, surprising to me the amount of people I play online with think that older guys plays these games too we just have better hardware is all. I'm 41 and will play these games until I'm gone, its fun to see a build come together and the end result of it. For me its awesome to be able to boot up in 12 seconds, first one loaded into the game with SSD drives yes I have 2 one for OS one for games and a terabyte backup. Quad core @4ghz there is nothing else that comes close to playing with maxed out specs gaming at its best imo![/citation]

Since you were so quick to share your specs,all that hardware means nothing if games are not being made to exploit it to the fullest. I just like you and others this is the hobby we enjoy but you have to ask yourself, when enough is enough? People really need to get a grip on things and look at it for what it is. There is no games that will make your system struggle because 90% of them are console ports. There has been countless games that have been released over this last year and the only game that has even made my system break a sweat is Metro 2033. So most of us just find that were spending all kinds of money on graphic card upgrades and there is no game that will even use it. With Nvidia getting 90% scaling in sli and AMD getting that with thier new 6000 series, there is no need to waste money on this huge sli/crossfire setup to run a modern game at highest settings and get damn near 60fps doing it.

I will never do an upgrade just to play one game but that seems to be the case nowdays because there is about 1-2 games a year that will maybe make your system gallop rather than speedwalk.

When the next systems come out then we will see the gap tighten but this is the way its going to be from here on out.
 
just wait until blu-ray becomes the standard distribution method for PC games. ooo boy. either that or digital distribution (provided hard drive space becomes pretty inexpensive)
 
I'm losing faith in you Crytek. I've already lost faith in DICE and Blizzard, I'm not quite sure who I should trust anymore in the world of PC gaming.
[citation][nom]ultameca[/nom]I also agree that cost is an issue...when crysis came out only rich people could enjoy it and we are just getting to full playability with what.. the next generation of GFX cards to come out in 2011...sure you can take 3 gfx cards and crossfire/sli but people like me can't afford to buy even one high end card.you can't release a game that only 5% or less of the community can afford to play and expect it to do well, that's just insane...I don't even think you could max it out back then with those older cards and nvidia was charging over 500 bucks if I remember per card... ouch...[/citation]
Rich people? Hardly.
Many people simply invest heavily into their hobbies. You can spend 20% of your income on nice clothes and a new car, I will stick to my gaming. For some, it simply makes sense to put a lot of money down if they expect to spend a few hours every day. I don't have much money, but I don't regret a cent.
[citation][nom]amk09[/nom]To elaborate even further on my previous point...this applies to both consoles and PC's.WHY EVEN BUY A GAMING SYSTEM, IF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO BUY THE GAMES??? That's like buying a 10 cylinder Dodge Ram truck, and then crying about how much gas you have to buy because you only get 8 miles per gallon.If you don't have enough money to afford the occasional $50-60 game, then you should not be investing in a gaming system in the first place.[/citation]
Or you should just buy cheaper games. Steam anyone? Just because a game is a year or two old doesn't mean it isn't fun.

I've spent over $2000 on my gaming PC, I expect a better experience.
Should I honestly expect the exact same graphics, just with 16xAA? Oh wait, we sometimes have to hack for anti aliasing, widescreen, custom resolutions, and multimonitor. It's a headache.
I shouldn't have had to go looking for a texture pack hours after I grabbed Fallout: New Vegas. Brand new game. Even with it, still a smooth 60 FPS.
The only thing I have straining my rig right now is PCSX2. It's a PS2 emulator. Yeah, Crysis and Fallout at max? No problem. PS2 games? Bring it on!
[citation][nom]AMW1011[/nom]It's not all bad though. I CAN'T play on Xbox Live because of the skill-less children who are either really clueless and a detriment to team based play, or are so bad that competitive play becomes boring. The *** talking and immaturity on the Mic is also an epidemic that I would prefer to avoid.The simple truth is that the PC lacks many of these players simply because of the price of admission. I don't have anything against children playing video games, but I have to admit that most M rated titles and competitive multiplayer titles tend to suffer because of their presence. Its one of the many reasons that I wish there was a ladder type setup in all competitive multiplayer games. That way, for example, the extremely good CoD players can play with others of their skill level, and the ones who just like to pick up the game every once and awhile can play with others like them.As for the title quality on the PC. There are very few games that are worse on the PC than the consoles, but the degree should be much greater, but I don't blame this on piracy all that much. I blame this on the adolescent gaming audience. Right now, most of the hardcore PC gamers are the original gamers, who were far fewer when they where children than the children gamers of today. In time I believe the more hardcore and older audience will expand and PC gaming will surge forth a bit more since the larger the audience, the larger the profits. Maybe I'm just hoping here though.[/citation]
I'm hoping too. Nothing is more painful than hearing some kid whose voice is yet to crack screaming in the microphone. Clean, fair, and competitive please. We're here to have fun, not because you have angst. I grew up gaming with people thrice my age, and I much prefer playing with men over boys.
 
First off I always buy my PC games. Have much respect for the designers and developers.

Second off, why don't they enable tessellation for games? If your hardware is good enough to run at 20 million polygons per frame instead of 10, then let's have it. The only real fuel for the PC industry is to make a game scalable in graphics so much so that even Quad fire SLI hexatuplet GPU B.S. systems out there can't even play it. Then it becomes a true challenge and extremely fun as well. This will gas up the industry so much that consoles will be back where they were in the 80's - GARBAGE.
 
So many people say that they're willing to buy a game that's worth the money, but somehow a game like crysis is one of the most pirated games.

Live up to your word, pirates, you're slowly killing our industry.
 
Developers like console games more than PC games for 2 reasons:
1) Huge install base
2) Standardized hardware (no need to test on thousands of various pc hardware and software configurations)

I don't buy the piracy thing. That is just an easy excuse for them so that they don't have to admit the 2 reasons I named.
 
[citation][nom]tykel[/nom]Crytek, but more importantly EA and other publishers, should be aware that selling games for $60 is not viable in the long-term. The best way of sidestepping the piracy issue would be to use Steam which makes piracy a lot more difficult, as well as promoting lower (and fairer) prices.I agree that it would be a real shame to see Crytek go from leading the PC graphics frontier, to simply port console games.I also think it is unfair that PCs be treated as the ugly duckling of this console generation. Unfortunately, until it makes economic sense to do otherwise, why would you?[/citation]
I think crysis 2 will be avalable on steam. recently EAs titles have been on steam (Bc2).
 
I'm my opinion, what we need to do it see this from the point of view of the average gamer. This means the person who doesn't know how to build a PC, doesn't know how to hack their xbox/PS3, and thinks PC games are for nerds. Seriously, as a high-school student, there is a real negative connotation about PC gamers.

What you get for your $250 xbox is pretty appealing. A system that will play everything you want, play with all your friends online, and with no need to upgrade for years,

PC gaming can't compete with this. Standardized hardware that just works is hard to beat.
 
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