Diablo 3 May Eventually Get Gamepad Support

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I know of clonazepam's wrist problem (and the socks, lol) and I was just suggesting a possible solution. I wasn't looking down on anyone. Dunno where you got this idea.

P.S. KB+M >>> all
 
If they make diablo 3 "work well" with a gamepad they are making it work worse with a M+B. That is just how it always goes.

The developers creates the entire UI, menu system, and skill system with the input device in mind.

These overhead view hack-n-slash games like diablo require quick skill selection and accurate targeting. Neither of which are native to a controller 🙁
 
[citation][nom]of the way[/nom]Being able to play with a group of friends in the same room is better than everyone sitting in their own room. It just is. That's the only point that matters. It doesn't really affect me, because with a family now it doesn't really work to go to LAN parties. But the point stands.[/citation]

Yeah. Real manly nerds like myself prefer to talk trash face to face and when they crumble is the perfect time to send 'em on a beer run! 😀

I haven't LAN'd since UT and Counter-Strike, but those were the best times.
 
[citation][nom]alyon[/nom]If they make diablo 3 "work well" with a gamepad they are making it work worse with a M+B. That is just how it always goes. The developers creates the entire UI, menu system, and skill system with the input device in mind. These overhead view hack-n-slash games like diablo require quick skill selection and accurate targeting. Neither of which are native to a controller[/citation]

Not necessarily, there are these things called "options" which lay in the mysterious land of "settings". It's where you get to customize your interface and game settings, I know it's amazing right.

Anyhow, as long as Blizzard makes it so you can toggle any UI changes made for GamePads then it's all good. I REALLY hate what they did to DS3, it went from an enjoyable party based "Diablo" clone to some Frankenstein monster. MS should of stayed with the original studio for the entire series, so at least you'd have a consistent label. I really loved DS1/2 along with Diablo 1/2.

As for LAN's, the haters gotta be crazy. Five dudes in their homes talking over voice chat is not a LAN party, nowhere close. Back when I was serving in the US Army me and my buddies would gather in my room (I was floor mayor so had my own room) and play Diablo 1/2 all Friday / Saturday night on the weekends. We'd do UT / CS, and eventually NWN. When I went to SK I kept up the tradition with DS, NWN2, Halo amongst others. Even now, occasionally I'll have a bunch of buddies bring over their systems and we'll play for a day or two (harder now cause some of em are married) on various games.

Right before the events and at several break points you do "supply runs" where you load up on chips, beer, soda (lots of soda) and tons of microwavable meals. Then cleanup on Sunday is a nightmare but everyone chips in.

Absolute crazy fun, all sorts of unique "house rules" get implemented and you can really push the teamwork in some games.

No LAN party support in Diablo III will be a big kick in the nuts. That being said, they might do what Bioware did with NWN in that you still "connect" to a local LAN server but first have to authenticate to their online player database. If they do this then great, you preserve the local server / LAN Party style of game play while still allowing for server based DRM. NWN eventually completely did away with their safedisk encryption DRM due to the complaining from incompatible systems. I personally have bought four full NWN packages with all expansions just so my spare PC's have a unique client for when friends visit.
 
[citation][nom]soccerplayer88[/nom]Sure have, remember playing old school Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Age of Empires, etc. all the time. That was also nearly 10 years ago, when everyone was still either on slow DSL or dial-up internet almost necessitating LAN play.But this is 2011, nearly 2012. Hardly anyone is on dial-up anymore (save for you old folks ). So yes, LAN is on the way out. Unless your in the competitive seen, everything can be done through the internet with stable rates. If anything people should be mad about having a constant internet connection to Bnet to verify credentials.Let's also include that Blizzard this time is hosting everything server sided. So you can't host your own game (LAN, and for good reason). The reason being so no longer will your enter a server and see duped items, maphacks, etc.There is a reason for everything. People just dismiss what they don't want to hear.[/citation]u do know that a nice online LAN party can easilly be ruined by your ISP and u have no control of it?. As being said I dont mind playing LAN party with my dudes with special items. There is some fun within this area.

 
[citation][nom]Darkerson[/nom]Just because you dont like to use a controller for some things (or anything, for that matter), doesnt mean others dont. If he finds using one more comfortable, especially because of his carpal tunnel, more power to him. While I myself do prefer PC gaming and using a KB/M, Im not gonna look down at anyone or hint they are doing it wrong because they choose to try something else. To each their own.[/citation]

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Here's what I was using to save my wrist from terrible pain. I play FPS with keyboard+mouse only, and this item helped a little. Phantom and I have had some discussions on possible solutions. 😀
 
Well I hope it works out for you, but personally, I wouldnt think that anything on the outside of your wrist is going to help too much for something thats going on in the inside. Im sure it provides a little comfort, but honesty, if its that bad, you probably should go to a doctor. (Im sure you probably already know that, just stating the obvious)

@phantom: It was the general tone in your message that kind of made it sound like that. Ill agree KB+M is great, but it is not all. Some games are better with a game pad, although in regards to the article at hand, I wouldnt think D3 would be one of them. At any rate, I say again, to each their own.
 
anyone here play... whats it called... the everquest loot based games on the ps2 that wasn't an mmo... legends of norath?

game pads work GREAT with diablo like games, they just have to be made with that control sceem in mid from day one. for me they are better than mouse keyboard, because i control the character directly, and not directing them with a mouse.

and also to the person complaining about mouse hand crap... look into oppai mouse pads. they will most likely be better the square ones mentioned above, because of mode padding and higher elevation, but also because the rounded surface you can find many pots that are comfortable... though that is probably only a problem that i have, as no matter what i cant sit still for more than 10 minutes.
 
Diablo 3 has already been hacked.
Why should the paying customers suffer through disadvantages that the ones who obtain the game illegally don't have to?
 
Mouse and keyboard is better than a gamepad for everything other than racing and sports games such as GRID and FIFA. 3rd person games like GTA are MUCH easier to play when you dont have a slow and inaccurate aiming controller like on a gamepad.
 


I never mean offense unless I state so :)

clonazepam, I believe that having full support for your hand will help - make sure the elbow is on the table. That way the hand can be relaxed. That half-thingie on which your mouse rests won't do the trick.

BTW, nice-looking mouse 😀 Are Logitech gaming mice any good?

Gamepads, controllers... I don't know. I think I could use those in racing games, but that's about it.
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]I never mean offense unless I state so clonazepam, I believe that having full support for your hand will help - make sure the elbow is on the table. That way the hand can be relaxed. That half-thingie on which your mouse rests won't do the trick.BTW, nice-looking mouse Are Logitech gaming mice any good?Gamepads, controllers... I don't know. I think I could use those in racing games, but that's about it.[/citation]

Its cool, man. Its all sorted out. And yeah, driving games are one of them that a pad or steering wheel works better, IMO. Certain console style games, like non online RPGs also tend to work better. Its really up to what kind of game it is. Now FPS or RTS, forget about it! KB/M all the way! 😛
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]I never mean offense unless I state so clonazepam, I believe that having full support for your hand will help - make sure the elbow is on the table. That way the hand can be relaxed. That half-thingie on which your mouse rests won't do the trick.BTW, nice-looking mouse Are Logitech gaming mice any good?Gamepads, controllers... I don't know. I think I could use those in racing games, but that's about it.[/citation]

Look it up. It's a Logitech G5. It's pretty old by today's standards. The wheel itself can lean left and right and those count as two extra buttons. The little buttons below the wheel change the mouse speed with up to 5 different speed settings. At the thumb area, is two more buttons.

Here's an example: Crysis 2.

Closer thumb button changed to melee attack.
Farther thumb button enabled armor.
Leaning the wheel left enabled stealth.
Leaning the wheel right turned on that funky vision.

And you can create custom profiles for every game. You can also micro-adjust the speed of the mouse. I have the slowest at 200, then 400, then 800, then 1400, and then the fastest at 2000. You can also specify the dpi up to 1000 (more resources used).

More modern mice probably add onto those types of features. It also came with an insert where you can adjust the overall weight of the mouse. Several milligram weights. I have all of the weights inserted to make it as heavy as possible. I think that's a pretty sweet feature.

Anyway... back to keyboard+mouse vs. controller....

First person shooter = kb+m
First person hack and slash like oblivion = kb+m or controller about equal imo
Console-like 3rd person games like Assassins Creed and Splinter Cell = prefer controller but keyboard+mouse works great as well.
MMO = obvious, keyboard+mouse
Dungeon Siege III works better with a controller
Torchlight = I use keyboard+mouse
Need For Speed (or any driver-type) = controller

I would like to have the option of both for Diablo III so I can decide for myself.
 
[citation][nom]Spyker2041[/nom]Mouse and keyboard is better than a gamepad for everything other than racing and sports games such as GRID and FIFA. 3rd person games like GTA are MUCH easier to play when you dont have a slow and inaccurate aiming controller like on a gamepad.[/citation]

actually i think its just shooters that have a problem with game pads, because any non shooter game... and non puzzle... i find works far better with a pad, i can even imagine a 3d game with platforming being any amount of fun on a mouse keyboard.

forgot about rts... thats mouse necessary... minus the pikmen approach to rts.

[citation][nom]clonazepam[/nom]Look it up. It's a Logitech G5. It's pretty old by today's standards. The wheel itself can lean left and right and those count as two extra buttons. The little buttons below the wheel change the mouse speed with up to 5 different speed settings. At the thumb area, is two more buttons.Here's an example: Crysis 2.Closer thumb button changed to melee attack.Farther thumb button enabled armor.Leaning the wheel left enabled stealth.Leaning the wheel right turned on that funky vision.And you can create custom profiles for every game. You can also micro-adjust the speed of the mouse. I have the slowest at 200, then 400, then 800, then 1400, and then the fastest at 2000. You can also specify the dpi up to 1000 (more resources used).More modern mice probably add onto those types of features. It also came with an insert where you can adjust the overall weight of the mouse. Several milligram weights. I have all of the weights inserted to make it as heavy as possible. I think that's a pretty sweet feature. Anyway... back to keyboard+mouse vs. controller....First person shooter = kb+mFirst person hack and slash like oblivion = kb+m or controller about equal imoConsole-like 3rd person games like Assassins Creed and Splinter Cell = prefer controller but keyboard+mouse works great as well.MMO = obvious, keyboard+mouseDungeon Siege III works better with a controllerTorchlight = I use keyboard+mouseNeed For Speed (or any driver-type) = controllerI would like to have the option of both for Diablo III so I can decide for myself.[/citation]

for mmo, im going to have to take into account a wiiu like controller, and i believe that could be kind for the mmo.
 
For now, I'm gonna call the wii u controller a fail. Tablets, even smartphones start to get heavy after awhile. Until I know how much it weighs in comparison to these other products, I'm not sure it'll be all that comfortable for the extended gameplay most MMOs, or RPGs demand. You'll need to rest your elbows on something. If that's the arm of a computer chair, it won't be comfortable after awhile.

I would definitely need to figure out some sort of pillow configuration to make sure my lazy ass doesn't get winded hurling fireballs and lightning bolts.

But, we can agree to disagree for now 😉
 


You're either a troll or you don't play games at all. I REALLY want to see you to play an MMO (WoW, for instance) with such a controller. Must be quite funny.

The only games that work well with gamepads are slasher console ports. The Force Unleashed, for example, is MADE for stupid button press sequences, completely spoiling the game (Jedi Academy >>>>>>>>>>> The Force Unleashed, because JA has real control, and in TFU you just slash around blindly) on a PC. It's a bad port, though.

I got Space Marine yesterday and started playing it (the game is great, btw) - it has a very similar combat engine, let's call it that, but in this case it has been ported properly and you can play it with a keyboard without any trouble. But I can see that this game would go quite well with a gamepad - there're only like 6 buttons that you use (melee attack, ranged attack, Execute/Use, Stun, Sprint and Rage) besides movement controls and you don't need to click on anything.

However, there's NO way a controller would work for Mass Effect, Dawn of War, Mafia 2 or any other non-slasher game.
 


You like Space Marine? I downloaded the demo on Steam and deleted it within 5 minutes. Maybe I should give it another go. I loved Warhammer 40000 Dawn of War. I bought that and Winter Assault but never finished.
 


Dawn of War is great. I have full DoW 1 (original, Winter Assault, Dark Crusade and Soulstorm) but I've actually only played campaign in Soulstorm. I got Soulstorm first and the other 3 you need to enable the races other than Dark Eldar and Sisters of Battle in LAN, and I LOVE DoW LAN parties, so I got them all. I've finished single player campaign with Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar and now I'm almost done with SMs. After that, I'm gonna probably play Dark Crusade, I've heard that its campaign is even better.

DoW 2 is great, too, I really like the RPG elements, but I'm sad that Space Marines aren't that arrogant and loud anymore (come on... SMs in DoW 1 were great... "We WILL HOLD against this SCUM!") and barely have any unit sounds. Other than that, it's a different game - no building, no recruting, but still good and rather unique. But it really lost a lot of fun from DoW1 because of poor unit sounds... seriously, what, all the VAs who voiced Grey Knights, Assault Terminators, etc. SUDDENLY refused to work for DoW2 or what?

Space Marine is the only slasher that I like so far, and probably only because of the Space Marines... ever since I saw SM Commander in DoW1 wrecking everything with a Thunderhammer, I wanted to do it in an FPS... can't wait to get the Thunderhammer - but the chainsword is damn fun, too. Maybe you just don't like slashers... oh, btw, in this game the Space Marines are rather calm, too... no fierce self-confidence like in DoW1... sad, really...

Wow, that kind of went off-topic :)
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]You're either a troll or you don't play games at all. I REALLY want to see you to play an MMO (WoW, for instance) with such a controller. Must be quite funny.The only games that work well with gamepads are slasher console ports. The Force Unleashed, for example, is MADE for stupid button press sequences, completely spoiling the game (Jedi Academy >>>>>>>>>>> The Force Unleashed, because JA has real control, and in TFU you just slash around blindly) on a PC. It's a bad port, though. I got Space Marine yesterday and started playing it (the game is great, btw) - it has a very similar combat engine, let's call it that, but in this case it has been ported properly and you can play it with a keyboard without any trouble. But I can see that this game would go quite well with a gamepad - there're only like 6 buttons that you use (melee attack, ranged attack, Execute/Use, Stun, Sprint and Rage) besides movement controls and you don't need to click on anything.However, there's NO way a controller would work for Mass Effect, Dawn of War, Mafia 2 or any other non-slasher game.[/citation]


well, let me see here.

i got the right stick for moving around, i have the left stick for selecting a target, as this is not a shooter, accuracy doesn't need to be 100%

now, menu wise, i think its hard to argue that a touch interface would work... here ill coppy paste from another site, as i already had this conversation.

---"ill go into everquest specifically because i know it the best.

there are i believe 12 spell slots for magic classes, and 40 different hotkey slots all with 10 pages for different set ups, literally making it 400 hot key options, along with custom buttons and the like, but you only ever need 40. so all in all 52 buttons and 40 buttons switchable in 10 button chunks on the fly.

the wiiu tablet screen is 16:9 at 6.2 inch, to make this simple lets say that it was 5.5 inch by 3 inch high,

if you make every square .5 inches big, a fairly hitable size, you would come up with 66 hitable buttons, making it the first viable interface that could replace the keyboard for mmos. add left and right triggers moving between hotkeys, lets say user defined, and also adding a map onto it for non combat situations, you seriously have the first viable console mmo interface that doesn't require keyboard and mouse."---

i full heartedly believe that an mmo could be the king on a wiiu like controller, at least current styles of mmos.

now remember, the wiiu has 2 screens, one on the tv one on your lap, as i have talked to a "game developer" who had no idea what the wiiu can do...
 
This is very intriguing Alidan, you have peeked my interest. To clarify, are you wii u gung ho using this with the wii u system, or wii u gung ho using it on a computer? The nunchuckies can interface with pc correct? or no? I only tried 5 minutes of a wii emulator and mario kart to see if I could get it working with a xbox 360 controller and re-mapping stuff I didnt understand because I haven't had a nintendo since N64. Please alidan, don't be out with the hotties tonight, this is on my brain now. 😀
 
P.S. My 6 yr old daughter can whoop my ass on Super Street Fighter Arcade Edition. She's like the crusty old guy that switches styles, and some of the female fighters. I figured if I got a wii em up I could smash her to bits playing mario kart.

Back on topic, please elaborate how or what your intended use of the wii u controller is, a. for wii u, or b. interface it to PC games
 
I havent slept but 3 hours this morning, then droze to LA, huntington beach actually, to buy a car, and drove back and I'm completely gassed and my meds are starting to make me think I am the Floyd. At Least I dont hear any really loud clocks and alarms and cash registers slamming open or slamming shut... damnm I maybe have to sleep before I can continue this converstaion about the gung ho wii hu
 
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