Dothan@2.6Ghz(Air) matches all else! 2.8Ghz rocks!!!!

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The fact that the dothan is overclocked doesn't really matter though does it??
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Somehow, I suspect if I posted a processor comparison with overclocked A64 chips compared to regularly clocked dothans(or any other chip) and used that to declare A64 beats all else, I'd get flamed something fierce and called an AMD fanboy.

Considering the dothan clocks at 2.8 on air and my 3500+ for instance gets to 2.6 (barely) (or the fx 55 in the tests) we see another picture.
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Which Dothan clocks at 2.8?

isn't one of the points of overclocking (apart from being fun to mess around with you hardware) to get the most performance for the least amount of money.
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Absolutely. But so far, I've only heard of taking the 2ghz dothan to 2.8, that chip ain't cheap at all from the prices I'm seeing.

I don't know prices exactly but I'm sure that 4000+ is pretty expensive. And even if they were on par clock for clock 1:1 perfectly, wouldn't I have been better off with 2.8ghz in stead of 2.5-2.6.
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That depends. Which Dothan exactly gets to 2.8 on air? From what I can tell, that requires a 2 ghz Dothan. Someone correct if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, that chip is not cheap. You would have been better off getting your hands on a 3500 90nm, IMO. If you're looking for best bang for the buck.

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Look at the whole picture.
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I have looked at the whole picture. Recognize what I am replying to. Everything you went on to say is about potential, not about here in the now. Here in the now, that's the way things are. Which is why I ended my post with:

For now that is.


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Apart from high CPU price, dothan mobos are also insanely expensive ($250+)

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250+ expensive? jesus you people that poor?

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Wow I dont pay anything less that 300+ for boards.

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Holy crap! You talking US dollars? Thats like £200! The only board I can find that comes close to that is the Abit Fatal1ty AA8XE (LGA775) Motherboard (MB-065-AB) for £182
 
Yeah I should have waited for buying my 3500+ could have gotten better oc's. Ayway I'm happy with what I've got for the moment I only play CS source and I'm getting +50 fps on highest settings @ 1280*1024 and 2xAA.

I think 1 or 2 months from now when you compare A64 overclockability to dothans. The A64 will verry well be better. And I don't leave out info, one or two guys at extremesystems that get to 2.8 is not representatve and 2.8 on air is something I haven't seen I'm sorry post a link please caus I am interrested in this stuff.

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the whole post is about potential and speculation. We are talking about desktop dothans, aren't we. This debate isn't in any way trying to disparage the A64. The reason its used in the benchmark is because its the gold standard now. This isn't "A64's crap, Dothans rocks" but a "A64 rocks, Hmmm....I wonder if a dothan could be better". Thats the reason for the overclock of the dothan. Its potential performance of the dothans versus standard A64. Could the desktop dothans rival the A64s. We don't know but we would like to find out.
 
Xeon's trash talking. Either that, or he likes buying things based on their price tag. I paid just over 250 for my dual Opteron motherboard, and I got one of the cheaper ones, though it does seem to bench the best in most tests. Of course, I am frugal, as opposed to poor. I really don't see the point in tossing an 250 bucks out the window to brag about how I have the most expensive dual opteron board. Hell, for $250.00, you can open a mini account for forex trading, and buy into a helluva lot of currency on margin. Why waste it on a more expensive motherboard?

250 for single mobile CPU motherboard is a bit high, but if you're putting together a high end HTPC, it's probably worth it as that chip right now, would seem to be the cream of the crop for that use.

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Yet instead you just start bitching urself.

We'retalking clock per clock performance and the dothan seems mighty good clock per clock. But as you state indeed it might be not as good clock per clock as A64. (I'm sorry but I ompare the dothan to the PIV as A64 to the PIV the dothan is a different kind of cpu and Piv rival imo I just want to see what an Intel "high performance per clock cpu" does caus AMD really only ruled this place.

Read the review m8 their dothan clocks to 2.8ghz (maybe an error on syntax so you didn't understand me. but speaking both french, english, dutch and german I understood a lot more of the article than you did)

ANd your right best bang for buck is A64 (maybe theres only one review on dothans and as others have said the mobo is verry expensive). Thats why I bought the 3500+ (it being dropped in price i suspected it to be 90nm but no such luck. I think though for an overclcoker the 3200+ s939 is the best eal at the moment I really see 2.6 ghz coming out of it.

And finally, nobody will call you an amd fanboy least of all someone that has been doubting between an AMD and Intel system for a month and switched over to amd and is happy about it (until now).

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I'm bitching now? Okay, look, I'm sorry I tried to put things in perspective. I was trying to help you feel better about your choice. I won't do that again.

You're right, you made a mistake. You should sell your setup and go by a Dothan right now. I wouldn't wait, they might run out of stock. :tongue:

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No I'm definetly not saying I made a mistake. I'm saying that the dothan setup might very well be a reasonable alternative. But even now the support of "only" agp4x 2pci slots and not to many peripheral devices on the dfi mobo will make me choose for the A64 nForce3 seup again. I'm only trying to make this discussion as heated as possible without resorting to flaming or other stuff. So if you feel like I harmed you in any way I offer you my apologies.

On another note. I remeber reading something about new chipstets coming out for the moblie intel platform in Q4. The most important addition being dual channel ram support and higher fsb (at the time I was looking for a new laptop, I went with the HP nw8000 with 1,7 centrino this setup outperforms a 2500+ thats it.) I haven't seen anything about this any more since but this chipset (if it reallly is to come would definetly be a better choice for desktop implementation along with a full format atx board with candy...

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No I'm definetly not saying I made a mistake. I'm saying that the dothan setup might very well be a reasonable alternative. But even now the support of "only" agp4x 2pci slots and not to many peripheral devices on the dfi mobo will make me choose for the A64 nForce3 seup again. I'm only trying to make this discussion as heated as possible without resorting to flaming or other stuff. So if you feel like I harmed you in any way I offer you my apologies.

On another note. I remeber reading something about new chipstets coming out for the moblie intel platform in Q4. The most important addition being dual channel ram support and higher fsb (at the time I was looking for a new laptop, I went with the HP nw8000 with 1,7 centrino this setup outperforms a 2500+ thats it.) I haven't seen anything about this any more since but this chipset (if it reallly is to come would definetly be a better choice for desktop implementation along with a full format atx board with candy...

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You didn't harm me, I just don't see the point in having a heated discussion on this topic. That's me. Maybe if Fugger comes on you can get some heat going.

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Oh I think it's an interresting topic it shows what Intels most promising (according to me) architecture is capable of. Recent threads like Intel dead make the search for a good Piv alternative 'important'. Besides its my job to speculate so it's kind of a habit to do so on future tech platforms aswell 😛

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Well, then I misread your earlier posts. I happen to agree with you that this is very promising, I just felt by your earlier comments you were feeling regret. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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"And I don't leave out info, one or two guys at extremesystems that get to 2.8 is not representatve and 2.8 on air is something I haven't seen I'm sorry post a link please caus I am interrested in this stuff."

excuse me, how many have hit 2.8 on a dothan? please that was a pretty strange comment. on the one hand you praise the first results of a dothan overclock and yet you call the amd results 'not represntative' becuase ONLY a couple people have achieved it. if the amd claim isnt, then the dothan one isnt either, cant have it both ways. but here you go, links:

this one even shows a 90nm 3500+ at 3ghz on AIR (also at 2.8ghz with PI) :
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44730&highlight=2.8ghz+air" target="_new">http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44730&highlight=2.8ghz+air</A>

and another with the 2.8ghz, but this is with a 90nm 3200+:
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44965&highlight=2.8+winchester" target="_new">http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44965&highlight=2.8+winchester</A>

take it for what you will, but it looks good to me.
 
Guess you would think 600-800 for a processor 500 for memory or 800 for water cooling is expensive as well.

I don’t like to wait too long or buy cheap hardware, that’s how I have always been.

As for being rich not overly I manage my money very well, I won’t eat for a week for hardware purchases but that’s just how bad my hardware addiction is. Hardware is like crack for me.

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No trash talk I can show you my invoices for 8500 dollars worth of purchases this year alone.

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Is that 8500 for a single computer? If so, I have to tell you, there are more rewarding ways to flush your money down the toilet.

I mean, my dual proc system cost around 4 grand when all was said and done. But that was buying with having that system for another 3-5 years in mind. This year, I haven't put a single dime into it, simply no need. Next year I'll probably go for a new video card, might jump on a new Iwill motherboard, depending on how the reviews go, and dual core may or may not be within my reach.

But to each his own, I just think that's nuts. I could spend half of that on 4 systems, and drop the other half into commodities futures with a chance to make some bread.

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review of Dothan as desktop cpu:
<A HREF="http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothandesktop&page=1&cookie_test=1" target="_new">http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothandesktop&page=1&cookie_test=1</A>

oh, and don't forget to check the full load temps! :)

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