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So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
diskette compressed by such a monster?

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Windows XP has it's own compression, which is far superior. Therefore,
DriveSpace is not needed - nor is it supported.

Find a computer with the same operating system that was used to create the
floppies in the first place. Then you will have to copy the files to the
hard disk and re-save them in a more conventional format (CD etc.).

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"Caesar" <Caesar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
> diskette compressed by such a monster?
>
> --
> Irish Diplomacy: The ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks
> forward to the trip.
 
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No. You just need someone with windows 98 to uncompress the files for you.

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"Caesar" <Caesar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
> diskette compressed by such a monster?
>
> --
> Irish Diplomacy: The ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks
> forward to the trip.
 
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Are you sure there's no Drivespace solution at all?
I think I read somewhere that if you install Win98 before XP there is some
kind of option to maitain better compatibility with the previous OS - even
being still able to boot Win98. Is this true?

"Caesar" <Caesar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
> diskette compressed by such a monster?
>
> --
> Irish Diplomacy: The ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks
> forward to the trip.
 
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"Guy Ollerearnshaw" wrote:

> Are you sure there's no Drivespace solution at all?
> I think I read somewhere that if you install Win98 before XP there is some
> kind of option to maitain better compatibility with the previous OS - even
> being still able to boot Win98. Is this true?
>
> "Caesar" <Caesar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F613850E-A415-4654-96A9-E9C56689916C@microsoft.com...
> > So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
> > diskette compressed by such a monster?
> >
> > --
> > Irish Diplomacy: The ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks
> > forward to the trip.
>
>
>
 
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Yes, you can install Win98 and XP in dual boot configuration. That would
make Drivespace3 available, but still only under W98...


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"Guy Ollerearnshaw" <guyollerearnshaw@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Are you sure there's no Drivespace solution at all?
> I think I read somewhere that if you install Win98 before XP there is some
> kind of option to maitain better compatibility with the previous OS - even
> being still able to boot Win98. Is this true?
>
> "Caesar" <Caesar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F613850E-A415-4654-96A9-E9C56689916C@microsoft.com...
> > So their is no 3rd party utility for Win XP in existance that can read a
> > diskette compressed by such a monster?
> >
> > --
> > Irish Diplomacy: The ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he
looks
> > forward to the trip.
>
>
 
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Salut/Hi Crusty (-: Old B@stard 🙂,

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:12 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

>Windows XP has it's own compression, which is far superior. Therefore,
>DriveSpace is not needed - nor is it supported.

A prime example of backward compatibility.

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No. Progress. Drivespace just isn't efficient anymore.

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"Ian Hoare" <ianhoare@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> Salut/Hi Crusty (-: Old B@stard 🙂,
>
> le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:12 -0500, tu disais/you said:-
>
>>Windows XP has it's own compression, which is far superior. Therefore,
>>DriveSpace is not needed - nor is it supported.
>
> A prime example of backward compatibility.
>
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
 
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Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com>,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:50:14 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

>No. Progress. Drivespace just isn't efficient anymore.

I don't agree that not supporting in 2002 what you were pushing as the best
thing since sliced bread in 1998 is exactly progress. In many fields, it is
compulsory to provide spare parts for items for 10 years after they were
last sold. Failing to support a 98 feature in XP seems to me to be very much
the sort of arrogance that makes many professionals froth at the mouth when
talking about Microsoft. I really would have thought that it wouldn't have
been beyond Microsoft's ability to produce a decompressor/decoder.
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There are no longer horse stables on my street.

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"Ian Hoare" <ianhoare@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com>,
>
> le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:50:14 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>
>>No. Progress. Drivespace just isn't efficient anymore.
>
> I don't agree that not supporting in 2002 what you were pushing as the
> best
> thing since sliced bread in 1998 is exactly progress. In many fields, it
> is
> compulsory to provide spare parts for items for 10 years after they were
> last sold. Failing to support a 98 feature in XP seems to me to be very
> much
> the sort of arrogance that makes many professionals froth at the mouth
> when
> talking about Microsoft. I really would have thought that it wouldn't have
> been beyond Microsoft's ability to produce a decompressor/decoder.
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
 
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:09:53 +0100, Ian Hoare wrote:

> I don't agree that not supporting in 2002 what you were pushing as the best
> thing since sliced bread in 1998 is exactly progress. In many fields, it is
> compulsory to provide spare parts for items for 10 years after they were
> last sold. Failing to support a 98 feature in XP seems to me to be very much
> the sort of arrogance that makes many professionals froth at the mouth when
> talking about Microsoft. I really would have thought that it wouldn't have
> been beyond Microsoft's ability to produce a decompressor/decoder.

Keep in mind that XP is from the NT branch of the MS product line: WinNT,
Win2000, WinXP. No drivespace present in any of them. The Win9x line was
separate from that progression.

Your point is not lost though. For example, MSBackup incompatibilities from
one Win9x flavor to the next. Or even drivespace, drivespace 2, etc.

--
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MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User
 
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Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com>,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:44:43 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

>There are no longer horse stables on my street.

Aren't there? We still have some here (seriously).

Don't you think your analogy is just a tad extreme however? Even in
backwoods old central France, horses haven't been used that much for 60
years, while Win 98 was only introduced 7 years ago. I do feel that there is
a tiny weeny difference.
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You mean the hyperbole? Not so extreme. XP is not descended from Win98 and
Drivespace in any flavor is obsolete. Drivespace 3 belonged the Windows 4.x
era. XP is, of course, part of the Windows 5.x era along with W2k and W2k3.
All this is by way of ribbing you just a little, but there really never was
any need to keep drivespace around like one would an application.

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"Ian Hoare" <ianhoare@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com>,
>
> le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:44:43 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>
>>There are no longer horse stables on my street.
>
> Aren't there? We still have some here (seriously).
>
> Don't you think your analogy is just a tad extreme however? Even in
> backwoods old central France, horses haven't been used that much for 60
> years, while Win 98 was only introduced 7 years ago. I do feel that there
> is
> a tiny weeny difference.
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
 
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Salut/Hi Sharon F,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:54:22 -0600, tu disais/you said:-

>> last sold. Failing to support a 98 feature in XP seems to me to be very much
>> the sort of arrogance that makes many professionals froth at the mouth when
>> talking about Microsoft. I really would have thought that it wouldn't have
>> been beyond Microsoft's ability to produce a decompressor/decoder.

>Keep in mind that XP is from the NT branch of the MS product line: WinNT,
>Win2000, WinXP. No drivespace present in any of them. The Win9x line was
>separate from that progression.

Good point. A shame that Colin didn't make it. However, I imagine (possibly
I'm wrong) that DriveSpace was written in C or C++. If that's the case,
there are sure to be suitable compilers which "understand" both operating
systems and a port wouldn't have been TOO hard, I suspect. I quite
understand that code to decompress a FAT16 or FAT32 drivespace volume onto
NTFS might have been boring to write, and it might have been no longer
trivial, but nevertheless, I believe that as a consumer, I have the right to
expect a company with such a dominent position in the OS market to take its
responsabilities seriously. (The fact that in the past they often haven't in
no way changes things).

>Your point is not lost though. For example, MSBackup incompatibilities from
>one Win9x flavor to the next. Or even drivespace, drivespace 2, etc.

Or Word documents. I don't use Word and it can be tricky sometimes to find a
suitable flavour of Wordpad.

Thanks for avoiding the agressive kneejerk reaction of one or two of your
fellow MVPs, by the way.

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> XP is not descended from
> Win98 and Drivespace in any flavor is obsolete. Drivespace 3
> belonged the Windows 4.x era.

Were there ever a Drivespace 3 for NT 4.0?
 
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If there ever was it would have been NT 3.51, but not 4.0. I doubt it
anyway. I remember using drivespace on MSDOS 5.0 and 6.22 (and of course
WFW 3.11) and it carried over into Win95. I had to free up space on my 2GB
drive in order to convert to FAT32. That, of course, ended drivespace.

It is possible to use drivespace on DOS today if one wants to set up a DOS
virtual machine in Virtual PC 2004 (but who cares). For that matter I ran
Microsoft Bob on a virtual machine on my XP desktop a few months ago. I
obviously had too much time on my hands that day!

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"André Gulliksen" <andre.gulliksen@start.no> wrote in message
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> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> XP is not descended from
>> Win98 and Drivespace in any flavor is obsolete. Drivespace 3
>> belonged the Windows 4.x era.
>
> Were there ever a Drivespace 3 for NT 4.0?
>
 
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Ian Hoare wrote:

>
>Don't you think your analogy is just a tad extreme however? Even in
>backwoods old central France, horses haven't been used that much for 60
>years, while Win 98 was only introduced 7 years ago. I do feel that there is
>a tiny weeny difference.

Win95/98 were required to provide 'legacy' support for real mode 16 bit
DOS items, running in a way no decent modern OS would ever accept. NT
never did, and XP is its latest version. Specifically Drivespace
required a 16 bit real mode driver loaded in config.sys. This is just
NOT allowed any more. And the amount of drivespace around makes it not
worth anyone writing 32 bit support for it


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Perhaps you should move to a more modern country. While their are no stables on my street that are used as stables (but plenty used for 4WDs) I regulary catch go past Leilani Lodge (and all the others). My relos were involved in the establishment of Royal Randwick in the 1800s.

Cuba has also transitioned to a animal based transportation system (americian crimes against Cuba has forced them too).
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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message news:OCqPm5tEFHA.1524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> There are no longer horse stables on my street.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Ian Hoare" <ianhoare@angelfire.com> wrote in message
> news:cg4211l7je0b30l0h3d706enme8b3acje2@4ax.com...
>> Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com>,
>>
>> le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:50:14 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>>
>>>No. Progress. Drivespace just isn't efficient anymore.
>>
>> I don't agree that not supporting in 2002 what you were pushing as the
>> best
>> thing since sliced bread in 1998 is exactly progress. In many fields, it
>> is
>> compulsory to provide spare parts for items for 10 years after they were
>> last sold. Failing to support a 98 feature in XP seems to me to be very
>> much
>> the sort of arrogance that makes many professionals froth at the mouth
>> when
>> talking about Microsoft. I really would have thought that it wouldn't have
>> been beyond Microsoft's ability to produce a decompressor/decoder.
>> --
>> All the Best
>> Ian Hoare
>> http://www.souvigne.com
>> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
>
>
 
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