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These systems aren't built for do it yourself type guys. Chrismorley is defending your typical derogatory internet banter very politely. He's got a market for these systems, which is awesome. I tell ya the cable management looks fantastic and you can't always get that even at these prices. Good job with the rigs. They look great. Very clean.

Tom's readers are the type that go buy value parts (including myself) and put together a rig the equivalent of a WRX. Then we push it as far as we can for FREE and get the performance of a Ferrari. People with Ferrari money buy Ferrari's, not turbo economy cars to be souped up. I agree that putting a 975 in anything is overkill and overpriced, but if I didn't know crap about computers and wanted the best...975 here I come, or should I say Chris here I come. Cuz i'd want my 975 packaged cleanly and supported properly. He's got a market. Keep up the good work.
 
[citation][nom]rpmrush[/nom]These systems aren't built for do it yourself type guys. Chrismorley is defending your typical derogatory internet banter very politely. He's got a market for these systems, which is awesome. I tell ya the cable management looks fantastic and you can't always get that even at these prices. Good job with the rigs. They look great. Very clean.Tom's readers are the type that go buy value parts (including myself) and put together a rig the equivalent of a WRX. Then we push it as far as we can for FREE and get the performance of a Ferrari. People with Ferrari money buy Ferrari's, not turbo economy cars to be souped up. I agree that putting a 975 in anything is overkill and overpriced, but if I didn't know crap about computers and wanted the best...975 here I come, or should I say Chris here I come. Cuz i'd want my 975 packaged cleanly and supported properly. He's got a market. Keep up the good work.[/citation]

Thanks, I don't mind the remarks - to quote the movie Constantine, "Fire? I was born of this!" If I really wanted to stir the pot I'd tell you guys I was a managing editor at [H]ard|OCP once upon a time. (I really was)

But, like you say, there is a market out there, we price our products in order to stay in business. We're not rolling in money. I sleep very well at night knowing I make less money than most of my peers. 😉
 
I do realize these aren't value based systems. However, it would seem a better option to offer the 920 and keep the Intel SSD on the F1X 500. Or hell at least just change it to the 920 keep the clock rate and have a larger profit margin.. lol. At any rate, any time you can sneak an SSD in, u'll have a noticeably faster system. I'd say it'd be worth a drop in clock rate. I see these aren't configurable and only available through retail and e-tail chains so I guess they are set models.
 
The issue I have Chris is that you're doing mass production designs, but charging a premium over parts cost, that's greater than most custom builders.

What's the point of buying the F1x750 from you guys for example, if an identical custom build at AVADirect rushed (ie arrives at my door in 7 days) costs ~$4650 including shipping (which is $186 by itself)?

I understand that's there are plenty of other cost's associated w/ running a business, but when a mass production item is 10% more expensive than a custom built computer from a competitor (more if you $5149 price doesn't include shipping), I have to say that qualifies as overpriced.

Build linked below.
Not 100% identical as I don't know exact parts Maingear uses, but everything is equivalent. It's got a 160gb X25-M instead of an 80gb, but AVADirect charges $200 for rush, so I figure they cancel out.

CUSTOM GAMING PC Core™ i7 X58 SLI® / CrossFireX™ Gaming PC $4457.21 UPDATE $4457.21

* INTEL Core™ i7-975 Extreme Quad-Core, 3.33GHz, LGA1366, 6.4 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
* ARCTIC SILVER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, Polysynthetic Silver
* SERVICE Mild Overclocking, 10-20% Performance Increase
* COOLIT DM-1000 Domino A.L.C. Liquid CPU Cooler w/ Fan Speed Controller, Socket 1366/775/AM2+, 19.2 - 39.4 dBA
* ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3.0 Gb/s RAID 5 /8, HDA, GbLAN, FW /2, ATX, Retail
* KINGSTON 12GB (6 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-8500 DDR3 1066MHz CL7 (7-7-7) 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
* SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
* SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
* WESTERN DIGITAL 1.5TB WD Caviar® Green™ (WD15EADS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache
* INTEL 160GB X25-M (G2) Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, Retail
* RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
* SABRENT CRW-UINB Black 65-in-1 Card Reader/Writer Drive, 3.5" Bay, Internal USB
* LG ELECTRONICS WH08LS20 Black 8x/16x/24x BD/DVD/CD Blu-ray Disc™ Burner, SATA, Retail
* SILVERSTONE Temjin TJ09 Black Tower Case w/ Window, EATX, No PSU
* CUSTOM WIRING Standard Wiring with Round Cables
* SILVERSTONE Strider ST1000 Power Supply w/ Modular Cables, 1000W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Six 6-pin + Two 8-pin PCIe, Retail
* MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
* SERVICE OEM System Recovery (secure HDD partition only)
* SERVICE System Binder
* LOGITECH FREE Deluxe 250, Black, USB, OEM
* CUSTOM GAMING PC Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
* SERVICE Standard Shipping (UPS, DHL, or Fedex)
 
[citation][nom]rpmrush[/nom]I do realize these aren't value based systems. However, it would seem a better option to offer the 920 and keep the Intel SSD on the F1X 500. Or hell at least just change it to the 920 keep the clock rate and have a larger profit margin.. lol. At any rate, any time you can sneak an SSD in, u'll have a noticeably faster system. I'd say it'd be worth a drop in clock rate. I see these aren't configurable and only available through retail and e-tail chains so I guess they are set models.[/citation]

Doesn't matter - people see i7 920 and no matter what you say, that's all they see.
 
[citation][nom]banthracis[/nom]The issue I have Chris is that you're doing mass production designs, but charging a premium over parts cost, that's greater than most custom builders. What's the point of buying the F1x750 from you guys for example, if an identical custom build at AVADirect rushed (ie arrives at my door in 7 days) costs ~$4650 including shipping (which is $186 by itself)?I understand that's there are plenty of other cost's associated w/ running a business, but when a mass production item is 10% more expensive than a custom built computer from a competitor (more if you $5149 price doesn't include shipping), I have to say that qualifies as overpriced. Build linked below. Not 100% identical as I don't know exact parts Maingear uses, but everything is equivalent. It's got a 160gb X25-M instead of an 80gb, but AVADirect charges $200 for rush, so I figure they cancel out. CUSTOM GAMING PC Core™ i7 X58 SLI® / CrossFireX™ Gaming PC $4457.21 UPDATE $4457.21 * INTEL Core™ i7-975 Extreme Quad-Core, 3.33GHz, LGA1366, 6.4 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail * ARCTIC SILVER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, Polysynthetic Silver * SERVICE Mild Overclocking, 10-20% Performance Increase * COOLIT DM-1000 Domino A.L.C. Liquid CPU Cooler w/ Fan Speed Controller, Socket 1366/775/AM2+, 19.2 - 39.4 dBA * ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3.0 Gb/s RAID 5 /8, HDA, GbLAN, FW /2, ATX, Retail * KINGSTON 12GB (6 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-8500 DDR3 1066MHz CL7 (7-7-7) 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC * SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail * SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail * WESTERN DIGITAL 1.5TB WD Caviar® Green™ (WD15EADS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache * INTEL 160GB X25-M (G2) Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, Retail * RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives * SABRENT CRW-UINB Black 65-in-1 Card Reader/Writer Drive, 3.5" Bay, Internal USB * LG ELECTRONICS WH08LS20 Black 8x/16x/24x BD/DVD/CD Blu-ray Disc™ Burner, SATA, Retail * SILVERSTONE Temjin TJ09 Black Tower Case w/ Window, EATX, No PSU * CUSTOM WIRING Standard Wiring with Round Cables * SILVERSTONE Strider ST1000 Power Supply w/ Modular Cables, 1000W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Six 6-pin + Two 8-pin PCIe, Retail * MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM * SERVICE OEM System Recovery (secure HDD partition only) * SERVICE System Binder * LOGITECH FREE Deluxe 250, Black, USB, OEM * CUSTOM GAMING PC Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty) * SERVICE Standard Shipping (UPS, DHL, or Fedex)[/citation]

That's for your feedback, it's noted.
 
DigitalStorm makes the same thing or better with high quality parts, a 3 year warranty, a A+ with the BBB and a higher overclock for a fair amount less.
 
[citation][nom]herniter[/nom]DigitalStorm makes the same thing or better with high quality parts, a 3 year warranty, a A+ with the BBB and a higher overclock for a fair amount less.[/citation]

We're an A+ Accredited Business with the BBB and we selling higher overclocks on our direct systems.
 
I'm sort of underwhelmed by the specs, given that the increased performance of the i7 975 and 12GB RAM is quite low, relative to the drastically increased price.

The cable management, on the other hand - that is sex. I would love to have my case that neat. 10/10 for presentation.
 
SOoooooo... only an 80 gig SSD? Most people (normal people) End up throwing everything on they're main drive and don;t even realize that there is a second drive in there.
 
There is no way to defend installing a watercooling system in these systems. These overclocks are better supported with a simple air driven hsf. Less cost, less maintenance, less likely to cause a retail company a problem.
 
[citation][nom]bob5568[/nom]There is no way to defend installing a watercooling system in these systems. These overclocks are better supported with a simple air driven hsf. Less cost, less maintenance, less likely to cause a retail company a problem.[/citation]

Actually, with the majority of the weight bolted to the chassis, we find less shipping damage than a comparable air cooler. We do ship a lot of systems, so we do have a bit of experience with this. 😉 The Asetek LCLC is not very expensive, they are rock solid, and we rarely, if ever, find failures with them.
 
I guess you can defend your concept here, Chris. Hope for your sake there is customer demand. I think the news blurb/add is kind of funny to post at Tom's, however. We have Jane drooling over your $5k box, when all the readers look at it and realize they could build it for half that if they wanted to, and to further realize that you'd have to be a moron to buy that processor due to the lousy price/performance ratio....its just kind of silly.

Good luck in your effort to sell these.
 
[citation][nom]chrismorley[/nom]Actually, with the majority of the weight bolted to the chassis, we find less shipping damage than a comparable air cooler. We do ship a lot of systems, so we do have a bit of experience with this. The Asetek LCLC is not very expensive, they are rock solid, and we rarely, if ever, find failures with them.[/citation]


I actually have to support chris with this one. Using for OEM enclosed water cooling systems is a better idea for companies. The two biggest issues in shipping systems is damaged HSF's and GPU's. Both of these are heavy not very secure items that often break or fall off/dmg the mobo in shipping.

Sure these water cooling systems end up performing worse than big air and about the same noise, but having a much lower rate of dmg during shipping is both cost efficient and leads to happier customers.

These considerations are another plus for building your own system.
 
while this discussion is good and meany find this is expensive its the same with why people go and buy OEm computers (office type computers) and pay $300 more than a system they built them selves, if you dont want one of thier computers dont buy it, as for the overclocks, yeah they are conservative but at that price pojnt EVERY SINGLE computer MUST hit that clock, they cant send the CPU back if it doesn't hit 4.0GHz and say "intel this cpu sucks"
 
To the guy who buys the first pc, the f1x 750.
YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON.
Thank you for listening.

seriously though, a $1000,- and not even overlock it to it's max. potential? makes no sence.
Anybody with a brain in his/her head would save at least $600,- and get the cheaper cpu.
Now don't give me the bullshit about: maybe they don't know how it works". Because if somebody is thinkin' about spending $5000,- on a pc, when there are $400,- ones to watch youtube video's on is just retarded.
 
what i find hilarious is that none of the images show any Dual GPU configs, and on top of that, they're all using a red/black coolers that look.. remarkably like the GTX coolers.
 
[citation][nom]yoy0yo[/nom]what i find hilarious is that none of the images show any Dual GPU configs, and on top of that, they're all using a red/black coolers that look.. remarkably like the GTX coolers.[/citation]

You noticed that, too. 😉 The pics were of the first gen F1X that we had listed with Tiger as a trial run.
 
[citation][nom]bob5568[/nom]I guess you can defend your concept here, Chris. Hope for your sake there is customer demand. I think the news blurb/add is kind of funny to post at Tom's, however. We have Jane drooling over your $5k box, when all the readers look at it and realize they could build it for half that if they wanted to, and to further realize that you'd have to be a moron to buy that processor due to the lousy price/performance ratio....its just kind of silly. Good luck in your effort to sell these.[/citation]

The F1X 500 is the #2 best selling desktop on TigerDirect.com, and the F1X 750 is #6. From where we stand we've made the right decisions so far...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=114

And no, we didn't pay for that spot, or this posting of our press release at Tom's.
 
[citation][nom]liquidsnake718[/nom]you are right, the clocks can be a bit higher... for a system like that esp the watercooled ones can be at the very least 3.5ghz, but should be clocked to 4.0[/citation]

I'll repeat this one more time - 100% of the systems we send out there have to hit the clocks we advertise. Unlike other systems at Tiger - we actually overclock. We have to support these systems. They have to last. Yes, we can hit 4GHz, but this is not possible with 100% of the chips we get within 5 days of getting an order, so we don't do it.
 
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