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No problems I didn't take it as rude anyway. I have looked more and can't find a Y with solenoids built in so I might just have to do what you suggested with the Y split and 2 valves.

Just seemed strange to me that china can make the Y or T splitter and the solenoids but can't put them together as one unit.
 


I also took a look at that China outlet, one thing there, is it seems when you find what would possibly work the minimum order was like 50?

So you have to be really careful and read the minimum order carefully.

You should be able to find the irrigation line valves for less than 20 bucks apiece, you do not need the real complicated valves, with what you will be using them for, the cheaper ones will work just fine

 
China outlet? I have found some on fleabay for $8 they look like they should work. I have to start buying cheap now my partner has found out how much I have spent and she thinks the money would be better spent on her :)

Do you mind if I run my plans by you for your thoughts at all? Its ok if you don't want to I have bugged you enough.
 


:lol: Your partner thinks the money should be spent on her!

Welcome to the guy club!

When or if you marry her, it will get much worse! :)

Do you mind if I run my plans by you for your thoughts at all? Its ok if you don't want to I have bugged you enough.

No problems mate! :)

 
So at the moment I have it setup as: Res/pump > TEC > pipe in chair > res/pump. New plans are to add the heater for winter:
Res/pump > 1st T split one side > Solenoid valve > TEC > solenoid valve >2nd T Split one side > Pipe in chair.

1st T Split second side > Solenoid valve > heated water tank 2 > Solenoid > 2nd T split second side >Pipe in chair

The water tank 2 will be like a plastic container that’s water tight filled with water with 2 12v heating pads inside it. The tubing will pass though the container uncut so its not really acting as a tank just a RES with 50oC water. Hopefully heating the tubing from the outside will heat the water inside otherwise ill have to cut the tubing that runs through and use it as a proper tank. I just dont want to add extra strain onto the water pump.

I am getting a good deal on a Lamptron Touch fan controller which will let me adjust the TEC temp but hopefully since its 30w a channel and the heat pads are only 14w each I can hook them up to the Touch and use it to adjust the temp. I cant see why it wouldn’t work the touch uses voltage to adjust fan speed.

Everything will still be hidden under the chair and ill mount the Touch controller and the switches for the solenoid valves on the front of the chair where your legs sit and make it flip up so its adjustable sitting down.

At the moment the heating side is all just a plan I'm waiting on the solenoid valves to arrive from china (got them for $8 each) they will take 2 weeks so then ill buy everything else locally and start working on it.

Any thoughts at all?

Thanks :)
 


Yes, yes 2 things?

1st What is the 2nd T split reasoning and need for?

2nd I have considered buying directly from China a couple of times, they have some amazing prices!

However, I've not come to the point of trusting their websites yet, so I'd like to know what website you're using and how it all goes with payment and getting your products, if you don't mind sharing that information?

 
The second T split is to merge the line coming out of TEC / Heater into the pipe that runs through the chair.

I just use eBay normally i have been told of another site but eBay with Paypal has all the buyer protection you need so haven't considered buying else where.
 
Our IT guy at work buys from a website all the time I can find out which one but I think it's credit card details only no paypal.
 
Ebay is pretty good with things not showing up they give you 45 days to file a complaint if the item doesn't show up or isn't what you bought. PayPal never gives out your details so its secure its similar to another bank.
 


I know what they are and how they work but just never trusted using them, I have a friend that got burnt using Ebay so I just don't trust it.

It's not the Ebay service itself I don't trust, it is the sellers.

 
Ah ok sorry.

Would the idea of using the fan controller to control the heat of the 12v heat pads work? I think the lamptron touch adjusts the voltage not the PWM.
 


What's the amperage draw of the heat pads?

And the amperage handling capability of the fan controller?

Most fan controllers are not designed for high amperage constant load.

 
Controller is 30w per channel with 6 channels and the pads are 12w each was thinking of putting 2 on the same channel if possible.
 


Hi Darren, No Frostbite. :)

The TecBox cooling is working out better than I had originally hoped for, water temperature in the reservoir running only one peltier assembly is usually holding at 15c that's 8c below my ambient room temperature with zero condensation worries.

A single peltier assembly does not maintain a gaming load, but when the second peltier assembly is turned on, I can game around a 12C actual water temperature under full gaming load which is still above condensation problems.

I do have future plans of shrinking all this down and I'm presently slowly gathering the parts for it, but experimenting like this is not a cheap endeavor so I presently have to enjoy the present operational fruits of my labors and insanity.

IMO seeing as how any type peltier cooling in the past has really yielded pitiful not dependable results this type of use of the peltier directly contacting a water block is the way to go especially with CPUs needing to be kept cooler and cooler to gain the overclocking edge some are after.

Even though many consider this type cooling crazy or seriously overkill, they cannot deny it is working very successfully, and is a base of useable knowledge others can use and build their own systems from.

Somebody has to do it, nothing is learned from doing nothing! :)

Take Care Mate!

I Hope All Is Well with You and Yours! Ry

 
I still think if you can generate a huge magnetic field around the cpu ... sadly I can't get those sorts of magnets unless I take them out of my armadillo helmet ... this is why my thinking is currently so advanced.

Getting back on track how did you go working out the spacing between the cpu / shim? petlier then waterblock?

Some sort of homemade retention mechanism ... sorry the pic is probably back a few pages and my access is slow tonight due to the solar flux playing havoc out here in the mothership.

:)
 


First of all if you've read through this thread from the beginning you're not asking a traditional radiator water cooler these questions however after looking at your thread link here's some advice for you to consider.

Overclocking has everything to do with end cooling performance results, many are under the delusion that water cooling will solve your heat problems produced from overclocking when in fact traditional water cooling using radiators is still under the mercy of ambient room temperature.

The additional overclocking load temperature has to be dissipated which means you have to have more radiator area to handle it, many think these handy dandy kits are going to be a resolution cure all when in all actuality they're far from it, understand I'm sharing what I have learned the hard way so you can glean what you want from it, don't expect me to give you a buy list.

Loop wise you only need two loops when you run more than one graphics card running full coverage water blocks, as full coverage water blocks are also cooling the voltage regulators and memory chips and they add heat to the loop too.

I would recommend a GPU loop with full coverage water blocks with 2 GPUs on a minimum of a quad 120 radiator and even that much radiator space is still limited when you overclock the GPUs but you can still enjoy load temperatures around 35c below the stock GPU air cooling.

I am basing that statement on my present GPU cooling setup and performance level of running two 580GTX in SLI with full coverage water blocks.

Radiator cooling IMO is the best route to take cooling GPUs, the most direct advantage results are clearly obvious by water cooling GPUs especially with full coverage water blocks, giving you the advantage of overclocking even overvolting without worry.

CPU overclocking with todays CPUs have reached heat levels that have to be compensated for and CLC water coolers and low end and mid range water cooling kit levels are no better cooling options than the High end Air Coolers.

A kit may seem to be the way to go as they are priced attractively but usually end up only having pieces of the kit reusable down the road when you discover the kits limitations when it comes to overclocking the CPU.

My best advice is research yourself and avoid someone else recommendations of this is the kit for you, as 9 times out of 10, overclocking wise they're clueless, or don't really want you to make a better purchasing decision because misery loves company.

No matter what you decide to cool if you'll be going the traditional radiator cooling route, it is imperative you have enough radiator area to cool with, the size of the radiator has everything to do with the end cooling performance especially in an overclocking environment.

A 120, or 240, or 360, or 480, single radiator has only so much cooling capability even the differing FPI ratings all have limitations, and once you pass those limitations, the radiator just cannot do any more for you.

I hope you got something out of this, Good Luck! Ryan

 


You need to be careful mate!

You know what they will do if they discover you're from another planet, they'll want to cut you up and see what's inside, keep that auto beam up feature active on your communicator just in case! :)

Check this out Darren it's straight to the facts. Ry

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/282844-29-peltier-water-cooling#t2033960

 
ok guys if i take pump that pushes out 1200 lph and i put a y joint on it and i puit one gpu on the one side and on the other side a cpu and then a rad on that after the cpu and gpu and then in to a nother rad the in to a res and then back in to the pump will it be to much and then heat wont sisapate
 
Dylan I could be wrong since im new to water cooling, but you would need a decent pump to run 2 seperate loops off one pump. Also couldnt you just go res/pump > cpu > rad > gpu > rad > res/pump on one pump and not have to Y split it?

You might be better off looking at more conventional water cooling posts like http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky#

Or http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277186-29-what-include-loop
which is 2 GPU and a CPU similar to what you want to do.