FarCry: Am I cheesed off or what!???

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Just bought far cry and as I expected, its a phenominal game. I do have a MAJOR issue however, and that is the fact that you cannot have CloneCD, Alcohol 120% or Deamon tools installed as it detects it defore running and asks you to disable it...well, disabling the software & the virtual drives doesnt work. I spoke to UbiSoft help who advised me the only way to get the game running was to completely uninstall them!

excuse the shouting and raving but...HOW DARE UBISOFT/CRYTEK DICTATE WHAT SOFTWARE I CAN AND CANNOT USE IN MY OWN F'ING MACHINE? not only has it p!ssed me off but it is also bad for the developers of the cd burning software as UBI/Crytek are forcing users of legitimate software to uninstall it based on what some people may do with it! Are they saying every person with this software is some master pirate who will imediatley ditribute copies all ovr the damn world? what they are in fact doing is calling everyone who uses this software thieves! I am inclined to D/L a copy from the net and take the original back just to spite them!! I even told UBIsoft that - to which the response was a bit "erm well your not really allowed to do that" "we have not had much feedback on this yet so there isnt much we can do about it" - - Charming its like buying a car stereo but you find out that you cant listen to fast paced music because it "might" make you drive fast, HELLO? thats up to us to decide!

Sigh! <breathe!> Sorry to rant on but Doesnt anyone think that this is completely out of order?

All views welcome no flaming please....

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This seems to be a new trend in the US. I understand the Euro editions etc don't have this restriction. I think Dues Ex Invisible War (the US version) had the same problem.

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If they are willing to give you a full refund on the game, I would not like the fact that the game will not install with alcohol 120%, etc but I would argue that they do a have a right to do it. CloneCD and alcohol 120% do, after all, allow you to defeat copy protection in all sorts of exciting and interesting ways.

If they are not willing to give you a refund - they are bastards. F*ck them.

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He lives in the UK.

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I also just installed FarCry, and have Daemon Tools 3.44 and CloneCD installed, and didn't have ANY issues.

Maybe I was just lucky??

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Do you know what protection the game is using? The reason I ask is I haven't heard too much about "blacklisting" lately.

A while ago (about a year) it was big news that one of the copy protection schemes (SecureROM, I think, and I don't remember the revision number) was blacklisting machines that had CloneCD and/or Daemon Tools. The way I recall it the protection was causing such big problems with general CD-ROM compatibility that game manufacturers had to issue updates without the protection. Later releases had different or revised protection.

I thought manufacturers gave up on blacklisting. Anyway, it's been a while since I heard about it so I was curious.

My Burner was never very good at "backing up" games and since I'm not a hardcore gamer i just stopped following the subject.

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Man, that crap totally sucks. I dont know what game creators are worried about, even with people wanting to make( BACKUP copies ) of THIER OWN game incase it gets scratched, should make a difference. I mean they make enough money as it is. A crap load of people are still going to buy the damn games.
I have all three of those programs installed and my game installed fine. Allthough i have no clue how to use them correctly to make (BACKUPS).
Does anyone know a good TUT. i could use to understand how to use them. That explains in detail how to do it from start?
Anyhoo, dude, i agree with you 110%

Remember when games used to be 1 disc?

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Hmmm, it seems that not everone has this problem. I am based in UK using DVD version, XP Pro SP1. Bit of a bummer. According to ClonyXXL the game uses Safe Disc v2.

I'd be iterested to know what versions of said applications people have installed and on what system.

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Don't blame the developers, blame all the people who think it's okay to pirate games off the internet and elsewhere.
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Agreed! First intelligent post I've heard all day. :smile:

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Damn, I just realized you said the game is a DVD. Why didn't the manufacturer use simple protection, avoid blacklisting, and write a dual layer disc? Nobody can copy these yet, no dual layer burners. By the time dual layer burners are commonly available the game would be old. Manufscturers could protect their game and not piss off customers (well maybe some customers).

Just looking at the forums at CDFreaks.com. Someone said his Far Cry disc uses Safedisc 3.20.022. I don't see any blacklist posts. In fact, one person even claims a successful backup.

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no way, copy protection is one thing, but refusing to install because of another program thats on your computer? i can understand if its because of compatibility issues, but not because of what you MIGHT do with them. thats just absured.

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This is true. It just sucks that it has to be done at all. It ruins it for us that are sincere in only making a backup for oursleves.
For instance i bought a game once and broke the cd, tried calling and getting a replacement( 2 weeks after i bought it)Ubisoft bought out The company and the game no longer exists. Cant find it anywhere, not even Ebay.
Anyhoo, it is a shame that some rotten apples have to spoil it for everyone.

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Don't blame the developers, blame all the people who think it's okay to pirate games off the internet and elsewhere.



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I can understand the desire to defend against piracy which is understandable but there are other ways of doing it without discrimination against other products. Dual layer as an example! like phsstpok said, there are other ways of doing it.

in reply to the successful back-up claims, as far as I can make out the game (my version at least) uses safeDisc 2.

By the way Im not sure i made myself entirely clear at the beginning, the game installs ok with said apps install, just wont run (telling you to get rid of them)

I have since re-installed alchohol and deamon tools since running the game and there now appears to be no real issue that I can detect...may be it only does it on first run??? Still anoying but hey there is more to life!

What do people think of the game? anyone tried to cool rendering options like carton etc?? (may be limited to Radeons - not sure)



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just got farcry, same thing... had to uninstall clone cd... its a bit of a disgrace really as it accomplishes nothing and i cant understand the reason behind it. on the other hand the game is bloody good

"Its only when you look at ants closely with a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames"
 
Far Cry is amazing, the most beautiful graphics to date, i'm stunned.

Someone mentioned Deus Ex 2 having that problem, which i've seen in action for my friend who DID have Clone CD but uninstalled it, but DE2 still refused to install anyway, I had to clean out his registry which is always a pain in the a$$.
 
I agree that this type of "copy protection" is absurd. If it was a compatibility issue with the program then its understandable but refusing to co-exist with another program because of it's purpose is disgusting. Nevertheless, if you are so bent on keeping CD Clone, why not try and create a dual boot system. If you have Windows XP why not set that a big partition and then install another OS like Windows 2000 and allocate a small partition small enough to cater for clone cd's needs. Surely FarCry should not be able to detect the Clone CD if its within another operating system/partition. Failing that, surely you could hide the partition with clone cd on it so that it cant be accessed within Windows XP but it can if you boot into Windows 2000 (or whatever OS u choose to install)

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i managed to install myne with alcohol 120% running?

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its more of a principle thing.... reinstalling clonecd to use when not playing farcry is no biggy... i gotta wonder what idiot thought it would be a good idea tho.... i mean all clone cd or alcohol does is emulate a cd drive... sooo assuming u have a pirated cd/dvd image then all u need do is burn it, install the game and crack it.... rendering farcry's anti clone cd/alcohol policy useless... it just doesnt make sense....

"Its only when you look at ants closely with a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames"
 
I had a similar issue with an expansion to NWN, but a clean reboot did the job... is CloneCD running in the background... stop all those unneccessary programs running in the background... then reboot... Hmmmmmm... well, it is worth a try...

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I agree with you. For all my other software, the first thing I do is make a copy and use it, putting the orginal away, nice and safe so it doesn't get scratched. I also like the idea of putting the cd as a virtual drive on the harddrive. Why don't they do something like allow One burned copy and one virtual drive copy. I guess it is easier (in my opinion) to use "strong-arm" tactics. Sorry if my previous wording offended anybody.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/06/04 01:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I guess it is easier to use "Nazi" tactics-Cryteck is a German company-makes you think!
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I'm not a German but I find this remark totally uncalled for. Clearly you have no clear concept of what a Nazi really was/is, so you should refrain from using such offensive language. Btw, you are not the first one to use Nazi terminology in this context (and in this thread) but you are the first to link it to a specific company and to correlate it with the location of the company. That combination makes it go over the line of decency. (Just thought that to add that last bit will help you understand why I pick on you and not the others).

To all of you who are complaining, I would suggest the following. Take the issue up directly with the publisher of the game: UbiSoft. They are responsible for the choices made in this regard, and for those of you interested in that kind of thing, UbiSoft is a French company, not a German one. If they do not listen to you, I advise you to stay away from future UbiSoft software until they do listen. You may miss out on some great games but if enough people are bothered by it and react in this way, they will mend their ways (or miss out on a substantial amount of revenues). Of course there is the possibility that you are a minority and will have to accept this copy protection measure as an accepted business practice.

Why don't they do something like allow One burned copy and one virtual drive copy.
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Consider yourself invited to come up with a technical solution that will realize this, is (well) protected against piracy itself, and cost effective (which should not be too hard if it is a really protected method). If you find the solution, be sure to sell it to the publishers so you can make a load of money out of it and please remember us here and drop us a note you did it :smile:


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"I'm not a German but I find this remark totally uncalled for. Clearly you have no clear concept of what a Nazi really was/is, so you should refrain from using such offensive language."

take a deep breath.... now relax and realise that complaining about the above phrase makes u look stupid. It's highly unlikely you were around when they were so they don't affect u and never have, they are old news.... now stop being so P.C. live a little and say a few bad words every now and then, u will feel better :)

god im bored....

"Its only when you look at ants closely with a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames"<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by wolfy on 05/04/04 04:08 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I am sorry if I offended you, It was not intended. This post is intended as a responce and not a flame. I am very upset at their tactics-yes I know, show it with my dollars. The comment was just a knee-jerk reaction to the situation. Upon seeing it was a German company.... I admit, I had a childish reaction.
That said, I do see (in my opinion!) a correlation, let me explain. From what I have read, no I did not live under Nazi brutial opression-did you?), they told you what you could do, when you could do it and where you could do it, among other things. The results of disobeying could be jail or worse. Here in the USA, being convicted of "Illegal copying" or circumventing their "antipiracy protection" by using a virtual drive or making a copy could have very real financial and federal jail time concequences. This comes into play when using virtual drive software and making a backup copy-to save the orginial. Do I hate my country-NO!!! I love my country and when I feel unjust things are happening, I feel the need to speakout and try to have them changed legally. If enough people get upset ( one way or the other) the issue will be discussed by the population at large and then by poliltions. Then real change may occur.
Let me finish by apologizing to anyone who was personally offened by my opinion and please remember I was stating/venting my personal opinion not making a statement of fact. In the future I will try to make it very clear when I am stating my personal opinion as well as leaving the political science discussions for other, approciate forums.
As for how to allow one copy and use virtual drives while preventing piracy, I am not a programmer and don't claim to be. If they can create such a great game with stunning graphics then I think they should be able to do that. When one considers that huge sum of money they will make selling this game, it seems that would be reasonable.
Thank you Wolfy.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/04/04 12:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
It must be something in the system your trying to install it on, because I have CloneCD installed, and never had any problems installing or running FarCry or Dues Ex 2.

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