Gov'ts are lining up to give AMD billions

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BaronMatrix

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News out of InfoWorld states that the Saxony gov't is looking to the EU to get more funds for things in IT tech, specifically CPU fabs. This after Intel announced plans to build in China.

I guess AMD doesn't really need equity help except to make Wall St happy. Maybe the Q3 barrage of new chips will start the climb back to pure income growth.

Linkage!
 
AMD might want to stay away from such a deal because labor laws in Germany (and France, by the way) are biased in favor of the employees and unions. For example it's extremely difficult to fire somebody, even for good cause. Besides, there's no way Germany can compete with China when it comes to labor costs, insurance and benefits, etc. Maybe somebody in Germany can comment on that...

I hope you're right about AMD being in good financial shape. It's in everybody's interest to have at least two companies competing.
 
AMD might want to stay away from such a deal because labor laws in Germany (and France, by the way) are biased in favor of the employees and unions. For example it's extremely difficult to fire somebody, even for good cause. Besides, there's no way Germany can compete with China when it comes to labor costs, insurance and benefits, etc. Maybe somebody in Germany can comment on that...

I hope you're right about AMD being in good financial shape. It's in everybody's interest to have at least two companies competing.
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I think it's more a point of "infrastructure stability" rather than "good financial shape." I think that that is why AMD won't need "equity-leverage" for continued survival.

Unfortunately, certain posters feel the the "inventors" of AMD64 don't deserve credit for such things.


ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!!!
 
AMD might want to stay away from such a deal because labor laws in Germany (and France, by the way) are biased in favor of the employees and unions. For example it's extremely difficult to fire somebody, even for good cause. Besides, there's no way Germany can compete with China when it comes to labor costs, insurance and benefits, etc. Maybe somebody in Germany can comment on that...

I hope you're right about AMD being in good financial shape. It's in everybody's interest to have at least two companies competing.
Click to expand...

I think it's more a point of "infrastructure stability" rather than "good financial shape." I think that that is why AMD won't need "equity-leverage" for continued survival.

Unfortunately, certain posters feel the the "inventors" of AMD64 don't deserve credit for such things.


ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!!!

What does 'inventors' of AMD64 have anything to do with governement welfare?


Can you say "infrastructure stability?" Of course that is based on X64, which MS thought enough of to base their mainstream 64bit OS on.
 
Where does it list any governments lining up to to give AMD billions? NY city is willing to subsidise $1Bn, but what other governments?

Germany, or more specifically, Dresden wants to keep the fab, but they are merely asking the EU for support, nothing about getting any type of money to keep the fab there.

Also, there is no mention of any other government, that is talking about giving anything to AMD for anything.

So, where/who are the governments that are lining up to give AMD billions?
 
Can you say "infrastructure stability?" Of course that is based on X64, which MS thought enough of to base their mainstream 64bit OS on.
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Basing their 'mainstream 64 bit' OS did nothing to help performance:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/cpus/index.x?pg=1

And, again, 64-bit product nor CPUs has anything to do with the fact that German taxpayers are going to bail AMD out again.... it would appear. At somepoint, the german citizen is going to ask ... is this really worth it... throwing money down the toilet.


Like American corporate welfare isn't the basis for Ralph Nader's arguments against conglomeration...and many a "grass-roots" story.

Life is so unfair.
 
Where does it list any governments lining up to to give AMD billions? NY city is willing to subsidise $1Bn, but what other governments?

Germany, or more specifically, Dresden wants to keep the fab, but they are merely asking the EU for support, nothing about getting any type of money to keep the fab there.

Also, there is no mention of any other government, that is talking about giving anything to AMD for anything.

So, where/who are the governments that are lining up to give AMD billions?
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When there are two (NY State and Saxony) that qualifies as plural. Maybe we should call Austin and tell them to refinance Fab25.
 
When there are two (NY State and Saxony) that qualifies as plural. Maybe we should call Austin and tell them to refinance Fab25.
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Fab25 is no longer owned by AMD.... it is it's own company now, kicked off like a dirty boot and left to themselves -- sink or swim.


I guess it was those bad decisions again - like bothering to fulfill the tenets of the free market and contractual obligations.


ALL HAIL THE MONOPOLY?????
 
Where does it list any governments lining up to to give AMD billions? NY city is willing to subsidise $1Bn, but what other governments?

Germany, or more specifically, Dresden wants to keep the fab, but they are merely asking the EU for support, nothing about getting any type of money to keep the fab there.

Also, there is no mention of any other government, that is talking about giving anything to AMD for anything.

So, where/who are the governments that are lining up to give AMD billions?
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When there are two (NY State and Saxony) that qualifies as plural. Maybe we should call Austin and tell them to refinance Fab25.

According to the latest census, NY is not a country but a state while Saxony is a free state of Germany. Ergo, Singular, at best, not plural.

Furthermore the actual content of the article clearly states that a single indiviual, Georg Milbradt, is promoting

industrial development strategy that would, among other things, provide funds to clusters like Dresden to attract investments in key technologies, according to Goessl.
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of which AMD is only one,

and that

Milbradt is particularly interested in convincing Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) to build a planned new chip factory in Dresden, where the company already has production facilities.
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meaning that no goverments are "lining up", rather that an individual, in the case the minister of Saxony, is promoting a concept.


As such, the title of this topic "Gov'ts are lining up to give AMD billions" is totally misleading, either a deliberate falsification or a misinterpretation
 
When there are two (NY State and Saxony) that qualifies as plural. Maybe we should call Austin and tell them to refinance Fab25.
Click to expand...

Fab25 is no longer owned by AMD.... it is it's own company now, kicked off like a dirty boot and left to themselves -- sink or swim.


I guess it was those bad decisions again - like bothering to fulfill the tenets of the free market and contractual obligations.


ALL HAIL THE MONOPOLY?????

No, it wasn't a bad decision at the time.... flash hung around their kneck like a dead albatross, spinning them off temporarily turned them into a money maker. It was the best thing Hector did....


Yeah, Intel just LOVES an unfair price war.


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Maybe I should a price war where they have the market share advantage.

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ALL HAIL THE MONOPOLY?????
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8O hey.

i thought it was the dewopoly :lol:

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[...... German taxpayers are going to bail AMD out again.... it would appear. At somepoint, the german citizen is going to ask ... is this really worth it... throwing money down the toilet.
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maybe this "down the toilet" is some rhetoric in your endless back and forth with baron, but presuming you really mean it, it's an interesting question in itself....

As a free market libertarian, I'm skeptical naturallly of any kind of government interference in the market (subsidies of companies, etc.), but....it does seem to be a pretty common practice now for states to subsidize plants for desired industries. "Subsidies" can take a few forms, and when the form is only tax relief, for instance, then it's a more complex question regarding whether it's a good thing. A great example of the bad kind of subsidy is Airbus, where a lot of resources are poured into trying to make a company. If a company already exists, and the "subsidy" is tax breaks or low interest loans, or even grants, it's another animal. The state can claim it is only investing in itself in a sense, as it is helping to create jobs and revenue for itself. Like an alliance. Now...I'm not trying to say it's good or bad yet, but rather an interesting question....

by "down the toilet" are you suggesting something else though, like it won't pay off for Germany? It's an interesting question, and I'd be happy to consider your reasoning.
 
Can you say "infrastructure stability?" Of course that is based on X64, which MS thought enough of to base their mainstream 64bit OS on.
Click to expand...

Basing their 'mainstream 64 bit' OS did nothing to help performance:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/cpus/index.x?pg=1

And, again, 64-bit product nor CPUs has anything to do with the fact that German taxpayers are going to bail AMD out again.... it would appear. At somepoint, the german citizen is going to ask ... is this really worth it... throwing money down the toilet.
Hey Jack Pay attention, your Intel bias is showing :lol:
 
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Fab25 is no longer owned by AMD.... it is it's own company now, kicked off like a dirty boot and left to themselves -- sink or swim.
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and your source of informatiion is?
It is still under the AMD umbrella and AMD still pulls the strings
Know that for sure. 😀
 
AMD might want to stay away from such a deal because labor laws in Germany (and France, by the way) are biased in favor of the employees and unions. For example it's extremely difficult to fire somebody, even for good cause. Besides, there's no way Germany can compete with China when it comes to labor costs, insurance and benefits, etc. Maybe somebody in Germany can comment on that...

I hope you're right about AMD being in good financial shape. It's in everybody's interest to have at least two companies competing.
Click to expand...

I think it's more a point of "infrastructure stability" rather than "good financial shape." I think that that is why AMD won't need "equity-leverage" for continued survival.

Unfortunately, certain posters feel the the "inventors" of AMD64 don't deserve credit for such things.


ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!!!

As bitter of a pill it is too swallow, I believe Baron Matrix made a good point. (Marks calendar with gold star) "infrastructure stability" provides a stable infrastructure. If AMD could even could build a fab in China and run an advanced process there, the Chinesse government would end up stealing their assets and technology in a whim. It would be like doing bussiness with the mob.

Too bad that the free world can't benefit from slave labor in China. I would like my CPUs built by the same slaves and political prisoners that make my plastic novelty doggy poo.
 
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