GTX480 / GTX470 Reviews and Discussion

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Fermi is out, but don't pretend nVidia delivered anywhere near what it was talking about earlier in the year, let alone last year
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this is very true. fermi wasn't as bad as i expected it to be from the pre-release rumours, but its still nowhere near what it should have been. and thats why its most likely not going to sell as well as the competition. offering a more expensive product with only a marginal performance gain is one thing, but to have it drawing masses of power and outputting lots of heat (exposed metal hitting over 70c?) really puts it back a step.
now if its performance had been more like what nvidia had originally boasted, at the same price it is now, then maybe even with the same power draw/heat it would be a good buy, but i just don't see how you can justify it at the current price point.
 
But that is my point, we already knew that this was going to happen and yet people still complain. I am glad that we at least have something and the prices are not bad at all considering what NV normally charges for high-end GPU's. The 295 is still at 530.00$ :pfff:

Ape, the 470 is about 5% more power hungry than my GTX 260 yet it is much more powerful so i don't understand where all this power hungry nonsense is coming from. Nobody expected NV to come out with a GPU that pulls the same amount of juice as AMD's equivalent.

GTX 260 :

Minimum of a 500 Watt power supply.(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 36 Amp Amps.)

GTX 470 :

Minimum of a 550 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 38 Amps.)
 


Customers are going to get so fed up with nV's bullcrap. Hd6K is around the corner from summer, and a refresh. An HD5890 should dominate the GTX480 (or at least have a ~5% perf gain), and lower costs all around [:rocket_sauce:1]
 

But if there is any truth to the rumour of the GTX580 then the GTX480/470 will not be the cards that the HD6xxx is going to be up against, then again I haven't seen anyone posting stuff from Charlie slagging off the GTX580 so maybe it is just a false rumour after all. :lol:
 
There is indeed a good chance it's a rumour, but if it's true, imagine how many people will be fed up with nVidia? You just bought a GTX470/480 even though you waited 7 months for it, then nVidia releases something much better at the same price a few months later?

But hey, I ain't nVideeya.

 

But wouldn't that be the same as anyone who buys a 1GB 5870 just before the fabled 4GB or 2GB 5890 turns up? And what about those who have just bought a 1GB 5870 who could have waited and bought a 2GB 6 port version? Or any of the other cards that ATi are supposed to be releasing in answer to the Nvidia cards? :heink: I don't see the problem myself, there will always be another better card just around the corner so in that respect it doesn't matter whether it's an ATi or an Nvidia card.
 
True, but a refresh is expected.

That, and it's going to be funny if nVidia keeps skipping naming generations, they'll run out of the GTX. GTX5x0 already? They blamed OEMs for the GT3X0, though why they skipped it is a wonder to me (unless it's because they wanted all next-gen names to be fermi..?).
 
I don't really care about the 470/480s as I'm broke right now and have no intention of upgrading mu GPU.
However, let's be fair here: all the reviews/comments about the heat generated by the latest nVidia cards are kind of retarded IMO. I mean, I've just noticed that my 4850 goes up to 107C at 85% of fan speed when playing in BF2. I'm pretty sure you could fry an egg on my ATI card without any problems. And the fan at 85% produces a lot of noise too...
 


YES, I had that card and it was the hottest card I ever had, but that was caused by the Very cheap 1 slot cooler lmao When I removed the heat sink I found a lot of plastic paper isolates which were making the card heat even more, the thermal past wasn't enough also.
 


Where are you getting 5% from? That's not what I'm seeing, more reviews show it closer to the GTX285 and over 5% more than the GTX275, bit more importantly the GTX480 (with only 480 shaders) is pulling more power than the GTX295 in some reviews and the HD5970 in most reviews. Hopefully with an Xbit review we will know the true draw of the GTX cards (especially retail models, not hand picked PR models).

Regardless of all else that's alota juice, and the discussion was about Fermi-Full-bore as in 512 shaders using power and creating heat. Even at 480 it's easily what one would classify as 'power hungry'.

Like I said many times, that doesn't matter to some people, and wouldn't matter to many more if performance were seen as worthy of that extra power/heat. It's funny that we even have to revisit that because it's not like it came out as efficient or cool, it did come out a little cheaper, but that is price, not cost, and it's also not what was the pricing concern. Obviously yields of the 512 shader part at speed within spec were too low, so we'll never know what those few would've cost. Also we don't even know if the price/volume is realistic or artificially supported.

Power and Heat are still a concern, and we still don't know if it played a factor in it's crippling either, however alot of the people who want to buy them likely don't care that much and will spend the appropriate money to handle both issues.

Main thing remains that it's out there for those who want it, and for now it is the single GPU king and a big fat target for ATi, the question is if AMD knows how to aim (still surprised at AMD's poor PR reaction sofar, doing their typical crap job IMO, nV woulda had something to yell about this week if the tables were turned).
 


Ok 10-15%, I will give you the benefit of the doubt (even when retailers are posting a min 38A), here are the power requirements for the GTX 285 :

575W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 42A or more

the 480 is a different story, that IS an actual power hog.
 
Recommended specs doesnt always necesserly show power requirements or TDP like the 250w TDP of the 480 which ended being a 300w TDP. Benchmarking and testing is the only thing to trust. April 12th and we will know more.

The 470 TDP isnt as bad as the 480 but not as good as the 5870/5850 even compared to the 5970, about the power of a 285,I would say averge, thats what the 480 should have been.

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Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidia-s-geforce-gtx-480-and-gtx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/19

Edit: The 5970 is insanly efficient, running two full 5870 cores @ 5850 Mhz while only consuming 60W more than a single 5870!
 
The 5970 is faster than 2x5850 because of the extra shaders, it has, 3200.
 
Power requirements and heat are the least of my worries when it comes to the 470. Later down the road there will be non-reference coolers that should bring the temps doen a bit.

A decent 600w will push a 470 just fine, even while having the CPU overclocked.

The 480 on the other hand will need at least a Tier One 650w or greater, specially when overclocking the CPU.

Dual 470's can run on a 750w (800w prefered)

Dual 480's can run on an 800w (1k prefered)



 
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