Hi all
So I have been holding back with system upgrades awaiting new hardware and just going all out and getting a whole new system once everything is out in late October / November. As most people, I have been eagerly awaiting on stuff from Nvidia, AMD, Intel.
To give you some perspective, my system is aging, I5 6600K, 32 gigs of DDR4, RTX 2070, and a pair of 500 GB Samsung Evo SSDs, with a nice headset and a 2k 27" Asus monitor. All this sitting on a nice ROG series mobo, with 4 case fans, slightly overclocked 8% across the board, running rock stable.
The reason I want to get anew system is because I want to jump fully into 4k gaming at high / ultra settings with any other bells and whistles available.
And after seeing the RTX 3000 presentation and some other related videos from other system builders and going through parts picker, Newegg, checking up component manufacturer sites directly I have some concerns.
After going through parts I have 2 major concerns.
1. Concern 1 is the RTX 3000 cooling system. And I don't see anyone, in any videos, or any tech sites or articles or anything bringing this up. I do not know how they all missed this and no one is asking Nvidia about this. It is as follows:
a. RTX 3000 cards generate a lot of heat. Really a lot of heat when under load.
b. The backside fan blows this heat upwards.
c. The heated air gets pushed by frontside fans on most cases, right over the ram causing the ram to not be properly cooled.
d. The then twice heated air will be now sucked right in by the CPU cooler causing it to be ineffective and overheating the CPU.
Nearly every single mobo I looked at, from many manufacturers, Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, MSI, whole bunch of others, has the PCIE slots, the RAM slots, and CPU slot positioned in such a way that exactly this will happen.
Even with liquid CPU cooling this is going to be aproblem as the RAM and various other parts of mobo will now get overheated, and the CPU coolers themselves will need to run much harder causing failures and vastly shorter lifespans.
So whats up with this ? Can we get some tech articles asking about this ?
2. This isn't so much Nvidia RTX 3000 series GPU issue but rather overall, average viability of systems (people) who will be using these GPUs with 4k set ups. And the problem is simple: There are no good 4k monitors. Almost every single one I looked at, and believe me, I looked a lot, is crap, very few that do come close to being good but are still missing some stuff, are in price ranges that are just too unobtainable.
My current monitor is 2k, 27", 4ms response time, 120 Hz, built-in anti-glare. Now try to find a 4k version upgrade for it. So I started looking. Looking for 28-35", 4ms or better reponse time, 120 Hz or better, built-in anti- glare. Good luck to anyone looking for anything even remotely similar. Some, and I emphesize some, come closer then others. The closer ones grosly lack refresh rated capabilities,another words, HDMI 2.1 or equivalent or better Display Port, and are limited to 60 Hz. 60 Hz, seriously. On top of that, their manufacturers majorly screwed up on viewing angles and have to make them curved. Seriously, again? They have to actually curve the monitors cause otherwise the "ghosting" at the edges becomes so bad. And as if this wasn't enough, for the prices these go for, they don't even put in any anti glare on them. You'd think that as the gaming and enthusiast demographic ages and finds this simplest, least expensive of all the features to be the most useful, not to mention on average these are the people with most disposable income for such toys, they'd be on the ball, but no.
So to sum it up, I'm going to be getting one of the Ryzen 4000 series CPUs, a good mobo, good ram, but even if I get the RTX 3080 I still won't be able to achieve my overall system goal due to lack of monitors. The monitor is a major bottleneck. Its gonna have either <Mod Edit> refresh rate and/or response time, and have no anti glare, and on top of that it might be the crappy curved one instead of having an actual wide angle display panel in it. No point in getting the GPU.
So unless I see some resolutions, perhaps some of the 3rd party cards with cooling solutions that won't blow hot air all over the ram and various components, and eliminating air cooling from CPUs, and if there are no good 4k monitors avilable, 4k wide angle, 120Hz+ refresh rates, 4ms or better response with anti glare and in size I'm looking for, I just don't see why get this card.
There is yet a third issue, albeit this one is less prevelant as it can be mitigated by carefully choosing your case and mobo combination. That is the size of these GPUs. Even the 3080 and 3070. On many boards just occupy too much space and obstruct PCIE access for system components other then GPU as well as are simply too close. IMHO with not enough space left between them to allow good airflow and component insulation. EMI in PC components too close to each other is a thing. Those of us who are technical enough to understand this will be able to deal with it, rest of you, you're in for one hell of a headache trying to figure out whats happening with your systems when it happens.
So please feel free to give your feedback, especially if you have good technical or related engineering background, or are involved with manufacturing of GPUs, monitors etc. and can dig up some more direct feedback for us.
So I have been holding back with system upgrades awaiting new hardware and just going all out and getting a whole new system once everything is out in late October / November. As most people, I have been eagerly awaiting on stuff from Nvidia, AMD, Intel.
To give you some perspective, my system is aging, I5 6600K, 32 gigs of DDR4, RTX 2070, and a pair of 500 GB Samsung Evo SSDs, with a nice headset and a 2k 27" Asus monitor. All this sitting on a nice ROG series mobo, with 4 case fans, slightly overclocked 8% across the board, running rock stable.
The reason I want to get anew system is because I want to jump fully into 4k gaming at high / ultra settings with any other bells and whistles available.
And after seeing the RTX 3000 presentation and some other related videos from other system builders and going through parts picker, Newegg, checking up component manufacturer sites directly I have some concerns.
After going through parts I have 2 major concerns.
1. Concern 1 is the RTX 3000 cooling system. And I don't see anyone, in any videos, or any tech sites or articles or anything bringing this up. I do not know how they all missed this and no one is asking Nvidia about this. It is as follows:
a. RTX 3000 cards generate a lot of heat. Really a lot of heat when under load.
b. The backside fan blows this heat upwards.
c. The heated air gets pushed by frontside fans on most cases, right over the ram causing the ram to not be properly cooled.
d. The then twice heated air will be now sucked right in by the CPU cooler causing it to be ineffective and overheating the CPU.
Nearly every single mobo I looked at, from many manufacturers, Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, MSI, whole bunch of others, has the PCIE slots, the RAM slots, and CPU slot positioned in such a way that exactly this will happen.
Even with liquid CPU cooling this is going to be aproblem as the RAM and various other parts of mobo will now get overheated, and the CPU coolers themselves will need to run much harder causing failures and vastly shorter lifespans.
So whats up with this ? Can we get some tech articles asking about this ?
2. This isn't so much Nvidia RTX 3000 series GPU issue but rather overall, average viability of systems (people) who will be using these GPUs with 4k set ups. And the problem is simple: There are no good 4k monitors. Almost every single one I looked at, and believe me, I looked a lot, is crap, very few that do come close to being good but are still missing some stuff, are in price ranges that are just too unobtainable.
My current monitor is 2k, 27", 4ms response time, 120 Hz, built-in anti-glare. Now try to find a 4k version upgrade for it. So I started looking. Looking for 28-35", 4ms or better reponse time, 120 Hz or better, built-in anti- glare. Good luck to anyone looking for anything even remotely similar. Some, and I emphesize some, come closer then others. The closer ones grosly lack refresh rated capabilities,another words, HDMI 2.1 or equivalent or better Display Port, and are limited to 60 Hz. 60 Hz, seriously. On top of that, their manufacturers majorly screwed up on viewing angles and have to make them curved. Seriously, again? They have to actually curve the monitors cause otherwise the "ghosting" at the edges becomes so bad. And as if this wasn't enough, for the prices these go for, they don't even put in any anti glare on them. You'd think that as the gaming and enthusiast demographic ages and finds this simplest, least expensive of all the features to be the most useful, not to mention on average these are the people with most disposable income for such toys, they'd be on the ball, but no.
So to sum it up, I'm going to be getting one of the Ryzen 4000 series CPUs, a good mobo, good ram, but even if I get the RTX 3080 I still won't be able to achieve my overall system goal due to lack of monitors. The monitor is a major bottleneck. Its gonna have either <Mod Edit> refresh rate and/or response time, and have no anti glare, and on top of that it might be the crappy curved one instead of having an actual wide angle display panel in it. No point in getting the GPU.
So unless I see some resolutions, perhaps some of the 3rd party cards with cooling solutions that won't blow hot air all over the ram and various components, and eliminating air cooling from CPUs, and if there are no good 4k monitors avilable, 4k wide angle, 120Hz+ refresh rates, 4ms or better response with anti glare and in size I'm looking for, I just don't see why get this card.
There is yet a third issue, albeit this one is less prevelant as it can be mitigated by carefully choosing your case and mobo combination. That is the size of these GPUs. Even the 3080 and 3070. On many boards just occupy too much space and obstruct PCIE access for system components other then GPU as well as are simply too close. IMHO with not enough space left between them to allow good airflow and component insulation. EMI in PC components too close to each other is a thing. Those of us who are technical enough to understand this will be able to deal with it, rest of you, you're in for one hell of a headache trying to figure out whats happening with your systems when it happens.
So please feel free to give your feedback, especially if you have good technical or related engineering background, or are involved with manufacturing of GPUs, monitors etc. and can dig up some more direct feedback for us.
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