[SOLVED] High Temps with Ryzen 5 3600 in any game

[Kelzetre]

Hi. I have a Ryzen 5 3600 stock (with precision boost overdrive enabled) mounted on a A320 motherboard with 8 Gb of RAM (single channel) and a GTX 1650 S
I play several games like the new Warzone, Apex, Anthem, League and Fortnite.
Usually, my cpu isn't running at 100% but the temps, at least for me, are high like 75-80 degrees Celsius or more.
At idle, it ranges from 40 - 55, usually staying in the 50's ºC
Anyone knows why?
(Im using the default cooler that comes with the cpu itself, Wraith Stealth cooler I think.)

 

[Phaaze88]

Combination of your room temps and case airflow.

Have you checked temps with PBO disabled?

 

[DrummerManSpike]

PBO will boost the CPU beyond stock values when needed, up to it's max possible speed. Voltage increases alongside it. It's sort of like a temporary, automatic overclock. 75-80 C is still a safe range when under max load, and sounds about right for the Wraith cooler. It's a solid cooler, but most aftermarket coolers provide much better cooling performance. Definitely not recommended when doing any kind of overclocking.

Open up a good user-friendly hardware monitoring software (like Ryzen Master or DragonCenter) and check your CPU stats. You will most likely see the frequency jumping between its lower base value and upper boost value, as well as the voltage increasing every time this happens. I noticed that at stock values and PBO enabled for my R7 2700X, voltages were averaging out around 1.46, which is pretty high and contributed to much higher temps than I wanted. I disabled PBO and locked the CPU to base values, voltage around 1.33, and max temps dropped considerably.

I'd recommend disabling PBO to start and seeing how your temperatures differ.

 

[Kelzetre]

Combination of your room temps and case airflow.

Have you checked temps with PBO disabled?

PBO will boost the CPU beyond stock values when needed, up to it's max possible speed. Voltage increases alongside it. It's sort of like a temporary, automatic overclock. 75-80 C is still a safe range when under max load, and sounds about right for the Wraith cooler. It's a solid cooler, but most aftermarket coolers provide much better cooling performance. Definitely not recommended when doing any kind of overclocking.

Open up a good user-friendly hardware monitoring software (like Ryzen Master or DragonCenter) and check your CPU stats. You will most likely see the frequency jumping between its lower base value and upper boost value, as well as the voltage increasing every time this happens. I noticed that at stock values and PBO enabled for my R7 2700X, voltages were averaging out around 1.46, which is pretty high and contributed to much higher temps than I wanted. I disabled PBO and locked the CPU to base values, voltage around 1.33, and max temps dropped considerably.

I'd recommend disabling PBO to start and seeing how your temperatures differ.

I've tried disabling PBO but I can't
I've gone to the BIOS and turned it off but the cpu kept increasing the frequency and the voltage everytime it could
Btw my room is not hot at all but the case is under my desk

 

[GarrettL]

The air in the room is hot? Then the air going into the pc case is hot. You can't cool below ambient and ambient determines how cool it can run.

Also, is that 1 x 8GB or 2 x 4GB?

 

[Kelzetre]

The air in the room is hot? Then the air going into the pc case is hot. You can't cool below ambient and ambient determines how cool it can run.

Also, is that 1 x 8GB or 2 x 4GB?

Room is cool enough, not really hot
And it's single channel ram, meaning 1x8GB

 

[Phaaze88]

I've tried disabling PBO but I can't
I've gone to the BIOS and turned it off but the cpu kept increasing the frequency and the voltage everytime it could

That is normal. PBO works as described above by DrummerManSpike. Does disabling it help temps though?
If it does not, then leave it disabled. It simply means your current cooling solution isn't enough to benefit from PBO. The chip's boost clocks are influenced by temperature headroom.

Btw my room is not hot at all but the case is under my desk

That's a little vague. 20C? 30C? 40C?

The case is under the desk, not in a small cupboard or anything?
The case isn't some fancy, closed-off front panel type, is it?

 

[GarrettL]

Ryzen performance is best with dual channel, two sticks of ram not one.

 

[Kelzetre]

That is normal. PBO works as described above by DrummerManSpike. Does disabling it help temps though?
If it does not, then leave it disabled. It simply means your current cooling solution isn't enough to benefit from PBO. The chip's boost clocks are influenced by temperature headroom.


That's a little vague. 20C? 30C? 40C?

The case is under the desk, not in a small cupboard or anything?
The case isn't some fancy, closed-off front panel type, is it?

I'll try verifying the temps with PBO disabled in a bit
It's around 20 something degrees, I don't know for sure because I don't have a way to measure it
The case is under a "big" wooden desk
Case is not that fancy, it's a Cooler Master K280 (You can see it here: https://netcomputadores.com.br/p/rck280kkn1-gabinete-cooler-master-k280/17823 )

 

[Kelzetre]

Ryzen performance is best with dual channel, two sticks of ram not one.

I know, I was thinking of getting one more stick of ram to be able to get dual channel working
But will it affect CPU usage and temps?

 

[Phaaze88]

Cooler Master K280: only 3 fans can be equipped, and only one of them is an exhaust.
The temps make more sense now.

 

[Kelzetre]

So I went into the Bios and turns out PBO was already off. I made some more changes to it (

https://imgur.com/a/zz3QNLW

View: https://imgur.com/a/zz3QNLW

As you can see in the temps, right after I turned the pc off and turned it on again, it was at 52 ºC. I wasn't gaming nor video-editing before turning the pc off, just browsing the net
You can see in the link above the changes I made to the PBO settings
I turned Anthem on after the pc was on and the cpu usage went to the 60's % but the temps jumped to 70º C (it's currently on 80ºC)
I dont have any chassis fan, just the cpu fan and gpu fan

 

[Kelzetre]

I've been testing Anthem in freeplay (a little more demanding than strongholds I think) and these are my results

https://imgur.com/a/DbdrG77

View: https://imgur.com/a/DbdrG77

Please take note that usually the ram usage is 7200MB or more
I also thought that showing my graphical preset would be important for temps and usage

 

[DrummerManSpike]

I dont have any chassis fan, just the cpu fan and gpu fan

An extremely bold move, that nonetheless needs to be changed. Get some case fans in there! You've got heat building up and pooling in your case, with no fans to bring cold air in and no fans to blow the hot air out!

 

[Kelzetre]

An extremely bold move, that nonetheless needs to be changed. Get some case fans in there! You've got heat building up and pooling in your case, with no fans to bring cold air in and no fans to blow the hot air out!

Thank you for your suggestion. Any recommendation on a case fan for the Cooler Master K280?

 

[Kelzetre]

Oh and one more thing. My pc sometimes has these stutters out of nowhere. The audio lags during the stutter then comes back to normal. Everything stutters. Do you have an idea why?
Only lasts for less than a second

 

[DrummerManSpike]

Any recommendation on a case fan for the Cooler Master K280?

Looks like your case can support up to three 120mm fans, and It doesn't seem like LED fans would be a good choice, considering the overall opaque case and under-desk positioning (this spot might not increase temps a ton, but it can attract more dust).

There's a few things I need to know to narrow down some selections:

• What's the most you'd like to spend total for all 3 fans (before tax)?
• Do you care much about noise level?
• Does your motherboard support 4-pin PWM fans?
• I noticed your case came included with a fan, do you still have it?

 

[GarrettL]

Oh and one more thing. My pc sometimes has these stutters out of nowhere. The audio lags during the stutter then comes back to normal. Everything stutters. Do you have an idea why?
Only lasts for less than a second

That's your 8GB of memory.

 

[Kelzetre]

Looks like your case can support up to three 120mm fans, and It doesn't seem like LED fans would be a good choice, considering the overall opaque case and under-desk positioning (this spot might not increase temps a ton, but it can attract more dust).

There's a few things I need to know to narrow down some selections:

• What's the most you'd like to spend total for all 3 fans (before tax)?
• Do you care much about noise level?
• Does your motherboard support 4-pin PWM fans?
• I noticed your case came included with a fan, do you still have it?

Thank you but I think I found a custom solution ahahah

 

[Kelzetre]

That's your 8GB of memory.

I had 8 GB of ram before with a Ryzen 3 1200 and it never did this
Now suddenly it's doing it

 

[GarrettL]

Not saying that’s the root of your current problem.

Please google Ryzen and performance with memory.

 

[schofield01]

Oh and one more thing. My pc sometimes has these stutters out of nowhere. The audio lags during the stutter then comes back to normal. Everything stutters. Do you have an idea why?
Only lasts for less than a second

Hi Kelzetre,

I recently purchased a brand new build (January), with the EXACT same issue you described with the hang (stutters) and sound tearing (lagging), which occurred at least once every 30 minutes of game play, even once when watching YouTube:

AMD R5 3600
ASUS Prime B450M-K,
16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz,
GTX 1660 Ti 6GB,
480GB SSD & 2TB HDD,
Cooler Master MasterBox K501L Case [2x Fans (1x Red LED Front, 1x non-LED Rear)],
Corsair H100i Platinum 240mm RGB Liquid Cooler (with 2x intake fans),
450W 80+ White Power Supply and
Windows 10 Home.

(Background)
My build originally came with a stock cooler, however I was getting overheating issues when I purchased the rig (95-105 C temps under full load, idle temps 65-75 C). Took it back to store service department and long story short I have a water cooler (max under load 80 C, idle 35-54C, with temp spikes up to 65C).

The issue was still happening after water cooler install. I took it home yesterday, then clean re-installed windows 10, and installed ALL of the motherboard drivers, except the BIOS driver.

I have been playing it the past two days now and have not had this issue, except when I was mid game and went to desktop, i think there was a very small version of the sound tearing...

 

[Kelzetre]

Not saying that’s the root of your current problem.

Please google Ryzen and performance with memory.

I have and I didn't find anybody with my problem
I know that Ryzen cpu's perform better with faster memory and dual-channel but does it reduce cpu usage and temps?

 

[Kelzetre]

Hi Kelzetre,

I recently purchased a brand new build (January), with the EXACT same issue you described with the hang (stutters) and sound tearing (lagging), which occurred at least once every 30 minutes of game play, even once when watching YouTube:

AMD R5 3600
ASUS Prime B450M-K,
16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz,
GTX 1660 Ti 6GB,
480GB SSD & 2TB HDD,
Cooler Master MasterBox K501L Case [2x Fans (1x Red LED Front, 1x non-LED Rear)],
Corsair H100i Platinum 240mm RGB Liquid Cooler (with 2x intake fans),
450W 80+ White Power Supply and
Windows 10 Home.

(Background)
My build originally came with a stock cooler, however I was getting overheating issues when I purchased the rig (95-105 C temps under full load, idle temps 65-75 C). Took it back to store service department and long story short I have a water cooler (max under load 80 C, idle 35-54C, with temp spikes up to 65C).

The issue was still happening after water cooler install. I took it home yesterday, then clean re-installed windows 10, and installed ALL of the motherboard drivers, except the BIOS driver.

I have been playing it the past two days now and have not had this issue, except when I was mid game and went to desktop, i think there was a very small version of the sound tearing...

So you're saying the problem might be because of the temperature and BIOS drivers?
My BIOS is updated to the latest version (keep in mind that I have a A320M-K Prime motherboard).
I've been testing my pc today without the side panel on (I have a Cooler Master K280 case) and the temps were much better. I've been running games with - 10ºC on average and I haven't experienced the stutter of the whole computer yet. Makes me think that maybe the problem was the temps. The stutter makes the whole computer freeze for less than a second and makes the audio glitch (like it's prolonging it) for that same moment.

 

[Phaaze88]

So, from what you've tested so far, it looks like the problem is actually the motherboard?
The heatsink-less VRMs are overheating, then power throttling, causing the 'hiccups' you're normally seeing, from the looks of it.