How Will AMD stay alive?

[jennyh]

This is what ive been saying, Intel will succeed in producing a graphic card which will knock out everything else whilst the others falter..


It will be Intel Inside and thats it.

There is no reason to believe that at all. Nothing in intel's past or present, and no demo we've seen of larrabee should make anyone believe that it's gonna be better than the best AMD and Nvidia can offer.

ATI doubled the speed of their gpu's in 15 months, cpu's have never done that and never will. Larrabee has too much cpu in it to keep up with ATI's (especially) alarming gpu progression of the past 2-3 years.

Intel aren't catching up here, they are falling further behind and the lack of real info on larrabee is telling it's own story I feel.

 

[jennyh]

wow i had the same idea as jennyh a few weeks ago and TC said it was ***

What idea?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

HB, thats what Ive been trying to tell people since my first LRB response, but as for gaming, it wont do that well, and raytracing, thats just a dream for years to come.
As for using LRB on die with a cpu, itll have its own superior cache structure where Intel hopes this really kicks @$$ in gpgpu, whereas the igps dont, tho it all depends, as nVidia shifts their arch as well.

 

[jennyh]

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2250173/top-highs-lows-idf?page=5

Larrabee voted 2nd most disappointing aspect of IDF.

 

[Upendra09]

I was talking about the AMD being better with ATi than ATI and intel

 

[spongebob]

If theres no competitor its a one horse race. Intel has nothing to keep up with.

But they still need to stay in business. I don't think they can survive in their current form if the only people at the end of the channel are those who've never had a computer or are simply replacing something that's broken. Wouldn't they also rely upon the almost built-in obsolesence that comes with any computer related purchase these days, where ever increasing software demands drive the need to upgrade? With no competition they can certainly set the pace and direction of their progress/innovation, but they can't just turn it off altogether. They will want to maintain their revenue stream to keep the lights on and the shareholders happy.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

"With Gelsinger going the last remains of Intel as an engineering-led company have disappeared and it is clear that the accountants and marketers are in charge now."
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2250173/top-highs-lows-idf?page=6

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, a good example as to why Intel had better get LRB up and running. Its not exactly like nehalem GTFO, well, ok maybe it is
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17671

 

[Reynod]

Good example jd

 

[intelx]

yea there isnt any big use of CPU's, its all about GPUS right now, till intel gets "LRB" that been has been talking about for years now.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It also appears GloFo may have ARM under its belt also, so theres revenue right there, and a hit at Intel as well.
Adding this all up, this is the support, with more to come, from ATIC, that AMD needs, while putting stress on Intel at the same time.
Having these things werent possible without the GF transition, so, again, even tho itd been better to keep its foundaries, AMD seems to aligned itself with a great partner that will return some much needed money back to it

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

wow i had the same idea as jennyh a few weeks ago and TC said it was ***

Glad to be of service.

 

[Upendra09]

so right now hardware doesn't need to get better because software is pulling them back

 

[randomizer]

I wouldn't say that's entirely true. Wouldn't they need to continue to pioneer and inovate to provide incentive for customers to upgrade to the new and better thing, to keep their revenue streams flowing?

Do NVIDIA need to pioneer to own the GPU market? No, they just need to have a good marketing team.

 

[intelx]

what about ATI, does it have something like CUDA?

 

[randomizer]

They have Stream, but it isn't as widely used. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

 

[spongebob]

Do NVIDIA need to pioneer to own the GPU market? No, they just need to have a good marketing team.

It's not a question of owning a market, it's a question of sustaining it. Once you own a corner of a technology market, you still need to sell something. If the best video card available is no better than the one I bought 5 years ago, why in the world would I buy a new one? Once in a while they will need to produce something new and improved, some compelling reason to buy, or the channel (and sales) go flat.

Marketing is a straw man that can only take you so far.

 

[randomizer]

But how will you know it's not better than the one you bought 5 years ago? Ok, I'll rephrase that: How will the average consumer (the real money machine) know? They look at a box, see bigger numbers and buy it. Too few people do even the most basic research. I know plenty of friends who refer to a card by its VRAM capacity only, even with me around constantly spewing technobabble in their face.

 

[jimmysmitty]

HP's Core i7 PCs show blue screens of death

HP APPEARS to be having major problems with its entire line of Core i7 PCs.

According to HP's support forums, the range is fast developing a reputation for locking up, freezing and throwing BSOD's.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1556515/hp-core-i7-pcs-blue-screens-death

Maybe AMD doesn't have to worry too much when a vendor this size is having such problems with the i7 PC's.

Must be a resistor eh?

Damned resistors !!

Its called cheap crap. If you put low end mobos with low end generic RAM you are bound to have problems. Would I blame the CPU directly? No because most of the time a BSoD is a bad/corrupt driver/file or bad RAM more than the CPU.

If anything HP should be smacked in the face. You can't mix a nice CPU like Core i7 with crap. Its like putting non synthetic oil into a GT500. Just not a good idea.

If by pioneer you mean rebranding core2's and innovatingly relabelling overclocking as 'turbo' then you'd be close to figuring out why intel doesn't need to bring out anything 'new' or 'better' to sell it to morons.

So you think Nehalem is essentially Core 2....... Well in essence it is. In fact in essence its still has the heart of the Pentium III Coppermine. And Turbo may just be OCing but its done by the CPU itself for people who don't know how to and helps boost performance.

BTW, a K10 is just a K7. Every CPU can trace its roots back to one of the first ones and then to x86. Well not Itanium. Thats pure IA64.

 

[amdfangirl]

I'm guessing by *** you mean pie.

 

[spongebob]

But how will you know it's not better than the one you bought 5 years ago? Ok, I'll rephrase that: How will the average consumer (the real money machine) know? They look at a box, see bigger numbers and buy it. Too few people do even the most basic research. I know plenty of friends who refer to a card by its VRAM capacity only, even with me around constantly spewing technobabble in their face.

Marketing can increase the attractiveness of a new or improved product, but it can't make up for improvements that aren't there. You can shine a video card up with new and/or better ram, better heat management, etc, but ultimately, the expectation will be that whatever the average customer buys now will offer some notable improvement over what they are replacing. If it doesn't sales will falter. But as publishers continue to produce more demanding software, there will always be a need for new hardware to fulfill the needs of tomorrow's software. Monopoly or not, a company in the computer sector must innovate and meet these demands or suffer reduced sales/revenue.

 

[randomizer]

Well NVIDIA has gone 3 years without serious innovation. Sure their cards are faster, but it's not another G80 (yet). Rebranding the G92 has worked wonders so far.

 

[Goatz]

Amd Still sells the only difference is its more for the office basic pc's mass .... for big companys... just everyone on the forum is only out for themselfs and dont see the inside for large company's or do networking for 300 pc's... now tell me would you rather be intel selling to the cream or the crop or amd selling the majority or the rest...

 

[randomizer]

If I was a corporation, I'd want to be selling to the majority.

 

[amdfangirl]

Majority, that's were most revenue comes from.