How Will AMD stay alive?

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The current gen http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-demos-dual-cypress-graphics-card--hemlock/7718.html?doc=7718 is over 100% faster than a 285.
Next year? If LRB is 4x faster than their previous claim, then itll be very competitive, otherwise, itll be somewheres in the middle, and only after billions have been spent.
I dont see a very good ROI on this, and it wont change either, as Ive said, the gpus will only get faster and faster.
To expect LRB to double in perf every 2 years using cpus, I just dont see it happening, and realize this.
GPUs have yet to use things like immersion techniques as well as HKMG, all of which is assumed for LRB from the get go, and once GPUs start having this tech as well, its even on to larger increases

 

[jennyh]

Well gpu's are already starting to look a bit clock speed limited around the 1ghz mark, so yes HKMG could and should make that a big jump forward.

This is on top of the usual increases mind. ATI pretty much doubled the speed on the 5870 compared to 4870 without doubling the clock speed.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Thing is, they still havnt reached their clock peaks yet. From 1 gen to the next, we saw a 20+% clock increase, whens the last time we saw that in a cpu? Other than AMD? And theyre just catching up?

 

[jennyh]

Hm possibly, if you consider the 4890 was something of an aberration, definitely a special case in terms of clocks.

The jump ATI made would be from 750 to 850mhz so 12% or so?

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

This is on top of the usual increases mind. ATI pretty much doubled the speed on the 5870 compared to 4870 without doubling the clock speed.

Yeah, they doubled the amount of the processing units. The 5870 is a massive monster! Yet, AMD still managed to really bring down idle power usage.

If I had spare cash, I'd be buying one, but the wife would kill me.

 

[Hellboy]

What some of you are basically saying here is 'larrabee will progress', but you seem to believe that ATI and Nvidia won't progress? At the stuff they've been doing for 10 years+?

What I am saying is as time time goes by LRB can only improve. Do you think that Intel will release a card which will be slower than the latest from the current top two.

No. Thought not. Intel will do what is required to make LRB work. Its credibility and money is based on it.

As the Japanese Emperor said when they bombed pearl harbour is that they "Awoken a sleeping Giant"

Intel will not sleep again like they did before. Intel are evil bla bla bla - more like AMD are stupid like a labrador puppy taking on a adult Rockwieler. This is now a mission for Intel to totally wipe out anything AMD do. Period.

What you have also failed to mention the fall of the wayside of Nvidia chipsets which weekens even the might Huang let alone ATI / AMD.

Im all for AMD moving forward but im with context. Intel are evil has been battered to death now, move on and promote AMD to survive let alone anything else. By the time AMD release a new chip AMD will have 3 maybe 4 new chips out - be on 32nm and now 22nm round the corner. I cant see it personally working out for AMD but i have a glimmer of hope as Intel outsell 10 to 1 amd over here and the move to AM3 hasnt helped either.

 

[Hellboy]

Yeah, they doubled the amount of the processing units. The 5870 is a massive monster! Yet, AMD still managed to really bring down idle power usage.

If I had spare cash, I'd be buying one, but the wife would kill me.

Don't tell her

oh and forum wife or real life

 

[jennyh]

Haha, well if TC got a 5870 his forum wife would be somewhat jealous. 😀

At least until I get mine ofc.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea TC, just use your old one in her machine, and put the new one in yours, and then say youve been working on her rig, and made some improvements, she'll love ya for it heheh

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

I'm in trouble with the real wife right now, kinda made a minor purchase of a 1080p digital camcorder....

 

[archibael]

1 thing about Intel, and its arrogance towards gpus. Wheres LRB? They said 2 years itd be out, and vying with the best.

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Honestly, Intel put their foot in it when they said itd be out and competing. Last perf claim on LRB was the 285, which is now but a mid range card, and its still not here.

When was this stuff said? Because I've been watching public announcments pretty closely, I thought, and I don't recall anyone from Intel claiming LRB would be out in 2009.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yes, it was to go to the apps, for gpgpu usage. I cant recall the links, but theyre there.
Im just reporting Intels own words, nothing more
In the links, I recall it MIGHT go to gpgpu usage by qtr4 this year, per quote

 

[Hellboy]

I'm in trouble with the real wife right now, kinda made a minor purchase of a 1080p digital camcorder....

get your priorities right a video card wins anytime

 

[yomamafor1]

Theyre spending billions on this, if any truth to the costs of previous releases hold.
So, as they shrink, so too does the gpus. If they arent there now, when they do arrive, the target has moved once again.
New cores? Sure, same for gpus.
Why will gpus all the sudden just stop?
This isnt a cpu scenario as Ive stated. This isnt AMD releasing every 3 to 4 years, these are gpus with entire new arches and huge IPC improvements per arch change, not just 20%, the 20% is seen in a dumb shrink, and more, if needed.
GPUs are much more flexable than cpus, and as I posted way back when, even if LRB comes out at a set design, its a small matter for the gpu makers to just adjust their gpus to make them better, or castrate them to make them worse, dependingon yields and market positioning.
LRB is aiming at a very fast moving target, a very flexable target also, and a target thats been around alot longer than LRB, and was created because of cpus failures to do this very thing.

If you don't mind, can you please elaborate on that? GPUs should be less flexible than CPUs, and this is exactly the reason why they're still mostly used for graphical purposes.

 

[amdfangirl]

I'm in trouble with the real wife right now, kinda made a minor purchase of a 1080p digital camcorder....

Yeh, a minor purchase...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Don't tell her

oh and forum wife or real life

LOL - the real wife will get mad, the forum wife will get glad! 😀

 

[Hellboy]

LOL - the real wife will get mad, the forum wife will get glad! 😀

Ahem ... Who ever comes first...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Meanwhile, back on the 32nm ranch :

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Foundry startup GlobalFoundries Inc. has updated its process roadmap and rolled out a customer partnership program.

It appears that the company's roadmap has slipped for its separate 32-nm and 45-/40-nm offerings. Comparing the new roadmap to the last update, the foundry company has slightly pushed out the introduction of its 32-nm, silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology based on high-k and metal gates.


That process, devised especially for Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s microprocessors, was supposed to move into ''tape out'' or ''risk production'' in the first quarter of 2010. Now, the technology is targeted for ''risk production'' in the third quarter of 2010.

How that impacts AMD is unclear, although the processor maker could fall further behind Intel Corp. GlobalFoundries denied its roadmap has slipped, however.

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GlobalFoundries denied its roadmap has slipped. ''Our roadmap for 32-nm SOI has not slipped,'' according to a spokesman for the company. ''Yes, the timeframe for introduction has been altered slightly compared to the roadmap we showed you in July, but that is not because of any issues with the technology. The roadmap has simply been adjusted to align with AMD's product needs.

So initial "risk" (i.e., test) production a full year from now, and volume about 6 months plus after that. Yep, it's obvious that 32nm hasn't 'slipped' - it's just the stinkin' roadmap needing adjustment, is all 😀.

 

[Hellboy]

Meanwhile, back on the 32nm ranch :

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Foundry startup GlobalFoundries Inc. has updated its process roadmap and rolled out a customer partnership program.

It appears that the company's roadmap has slipped for its separate 32-nm and 45-/40-nm offerings. Comparing the new roadmap to the last update, the foundry company has slightly pushed out the introduction of its 32-nm, silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology based on high-k and metal gates.


That process, devised especially for Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s microprocessors, was supposed to move into ''tape out'' or ''risk production'' in the first quarter of 2010. Now, the technology is targeted for ''risk production'' in the third quarter of 2010.

How that impacts AMD is unclear, although the processor maker could fall further behind Intel Corp. GlobalFoundries denied its roadmap has slipped, however.

...

GlobalFoundries denied its roadmap has slipped. ''Our roadmap for 32-nm SOI has not slipped,'' according to a spokesman for the company. ''Yes, the timeframe for introduction has been altered slightly compared to the roadmap we showed you in July, but that is not because of any issues with the technology. The roadmap has simply been adjusted to align with AMD's product needs.

So initial "risk" (i.e., test) production a full year from now, and volume about 6 months plus after that. Yep, it's obvious that 32nm hasn't 'slipped' - it's just the stinkin' roadmap needing adjustment, is all 😀.

Oh is that what they call it.. Cant wait for a quad core Phenom 2 with 4 cores disabled... Then call it a paperweight.. Ive ordered mine at 9.95 per unit and will plug it in and enable all 4 cores for a tenner..

Mean while at present times intel is now five years a ahead of AMD..... ( im joking )

PS Ricky Gervais is not funny America - hes crap

AMD = Another Major Delay

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Anyway, to summarize, it seems AMD is hitting on 1 or 2 out of 8 cylinders at the moment. IIRC some fanbois here were spouting off a couple months ago, about how AMD was gonna release all these amazing new products right about now and regain the lead over Intel in all areas.

So what actually happened?

It's Intel with almost all the goodies - AMD has a real cheap quad core with no cache, the promise of another speed bump on the aging Phenom 2 (yawn!), and what appears to be a pretty good video card. And the bad news of no early release of BD, 32nm slipping, and yet another lousy quarter of earnings.

Kinda funny to watch AMD's antics during Intel's IDF week. Intel showcases up & coming technology, while AMD is like the pervert flasher in the corner whispering "Psst - hey, honey, take a looksee at what I got under this raincoat!" 😀

If BD slips into 2H 2011, it'll be up against the 22nm Ivy Bridge, not Sandy Bridge. And much further than that, up against Haswell.

So, is AMD doomed?? It ain't lookin' pretty, folks! And did I even mention financials yet??? 😀

 

[Hellboy]

AMD - another manufacturing delay
AMD - AlMost Dry
AMD - And Might Do it
AMD - Arse My Dual-core
AMD - Arse, Major Delay ( no 10 )
AMD k8- And May i Dump Kate
athlon - all things here look outdated now
Phenom - Phuck, here endures NO More

 

[Hellboy]

Anyway, to summarize, it seems AMD is hitting on 1 or 2 out of 8 cylinders at the moment. IIRC some fanbois here were spouting off a couple months ago, about how AMD was gonna release all these amazing new products right about now and regain the lead over Intel in all areas.

So what actually happened?

It's Intel with almost all the goodies - AMD has a real cheap quad core with no cache, the promise of another speed bump on the aging Phenom 2 (yawn!), and what appears to be a pretty good video card. And the bad news of no early release of BD, 32nm slipping, and yet another lousy quarter of earnings.

Kinda funny to watch AMD's antics during Intel's IDF week. Intel showcases up & coming technology, while AMD is like the pervert flasher in the corner whispering "Psst - hey, honey, take a looksee at what I got under this raincoat!" 😀

If BD slips into 2H 2011, it'll be up against the 22nm Ivy Bridge, not Sandy Bridge. And much further than that, up against Haswell.

So, is AMD doomed?? It ain't lookin' pretty, folks! And did I even mention financials yet??? 😀

its a pervert with a rain coat and a small old todger.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

its a pervert with a rain coat and a small old todger.

And named Hector 😀

 

[jennyh]

AMD - another manufacturing delay
AMD - AlMost Dry
AMD - And Might Do it
AMD - Arse My Dual-core
AMD - Arse, Major Delay ( no 10 )
AMD k8- And May i Dump Kate
athlon - all things here look outdated now
Phenom - Phuck, here endures NO More

You know what is sad hellboy, it's the way you used to actually pretend to be non-biased lol.

 

[amdfangirl]

AMD - (its) about making debt.