Question Is higher ICC MAX good for cpu bound games?

[ridwan123]

I just z790 motherboard from gigabyte and i have 500 A current limit/icc max which is too high and i just set it 300 A.is higher number icc max good for cpu bound games like dota 2,cs 2

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

Please list your full PC specs so we can judge better. What exactly are you hoping to achieve?

 

[ridwan123]

Processor : i7 14700F
Gpu : rtx 4070 super
Psu : 650 w 80+not bronze
Mobo : z790 gaming x ax gigabyte ddr 5
Ram : 16×2 corsair 600p mhz cl 36

 

[TerryLaze]

I just z790 motherboard from gigabyte and i have 500 A current limit/icc max which is too high and i just set it 300 A.is higher number icc max good for cpu bound games like dota 2,cs 2

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/guide/600/how-to-calculate-amps-volts-and-watts.html

Max watts divided by max amps gives you the volts the CPU can draw under load, if the voltage is too low it can crash the CPU, if the voltage is too high you get higher temps and possibly hurt your CPU over longer time.

 

[hotaru.hino]

I just z790 motherboard from gigabyte and i have 500 A current limit/icc max which is too high and i just set it 300 A.is higher number icc max good for cpu bound games like dota 2,cs 2

Higher current limits are only useful when you're hitting the power limit on the CPU and you can't really bump up the voltage any higher. However, this only really applies in extreme overclocking scenarios and you're trying to get the top Cinebench score or something.

It will do zero in your use case because you'll never hit that wall. Plus those games typically favor single core performance over multi-core performance.

 

[ridwan123]

Higher current limits are only useful when you're hitting the power limit on the CPU and you can't really bump up the voltage any higher. However, this only really applies in extreme overclocking scenarios and you're trying to get the top Cinebench score or something.

It will do zero in your use case because you'll never hit that wall. Plus those games typically favor single core performance over multi-core performance.

so that ICC Max has nothing to do with gaming perfomance only for cinebench?

 

[ridwan123]

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/guide/600/how-to-calculate-amps-volts-and-watts.html

Max watts divided by max amps gives you the volts the CPU can draw under load, if the voltage is too low it can crash the CPU, if the voltage is too high you get higher temps and possibly hurt your CPU over longer time.

So it has nothing to do with cpu bound games?

 

[hotaru.hino]

so that ICC Max has nothing to do with gaming perfomance only for cinebench?

To put it simply, yes. And even then it only matters if you're doing heavy all-core overclocking.

It will not help with improving game performance.

 

[ridwan123]

To put it simply, yes. And even then it only matters if you're doing heavy all-core overclocking.

It will not help with improving game performance.

Not for make framerate stable?

 

[thestryker]

If you don't have a K SKU CPU there's no point in having super high power limits as it's not going to get you anywhere performance wise. About the only thing you could do which might have any gaming performance ramifications would be to use a profile that sets PL1/2 both to 219W as that's the stock boost power level for your CPU.

 

[bill001g]

Not for make framerate stable?

Generally not in most games there likely is some random game it does. The vast majority of games are being restricted by the GPU. The ones the are being limited by the CPU are only using a small number of cores.

Generally you are nowhere near any power limits when you are not using all cores.

Watch hwinfo and watch the numbers. The game should use the 2 P cores that have the best single clock rates. You will have many cores not used. Now if the game would gets its main process on a E core rather than a P core it could cause issues. I have seen lots of discussion about how to force this but every game I have windows seems to do it correctly.

I have always used "K" cpu so I am not sure how much you can mess with the clock rates etc on a non K cpu. On K cpu you might see a small difference on benchmarks but you will not really be able to tell in a game unless you leave a FPS counter up all the time. Then you can see the fps number of the screen change but it likely will make little difference in the gameplay.

 

[ridwan123]

Generally not in most games there likely is some random game it does. The vast majority of games are being restricted by the GPU. The ones the are being limited by the CPU are only using a small number of cores.

Generally you are nowhere near any power limits when you are not using all cores.

Watch hwinfo and watch the numbers. The game should use the 2 P cores that have the best single clock rates. You will have many cores not used. Now if the game would gets its main process on a E core rather than a P core it could cause issues. I have seen lots of discussion about how to force this but every game I have windows seems to do it correctly.

I have always used "K" cpu so I am not sure how much you can mess with the clock rates etc on a non K cpu. On K cpu you might see a small difference on benchmarks but you will not really be able to tell in a game unless you leave a FPS counter up all the time. Then you can see the fps number of the screen change but it likely will make little difference in the gameplay.

I am just done playing and i see my framerate in cs 2 still dropping in some spot from 250-300 to 170-230 idk how,especially in gpu usage

 

[bill001g]

Do you have a monitor that can actually display frames that fast. extra frames that can not be displayed in effect do not exist.
I would not worry about the numbers you see on the screen. Shooter games are more about skill and practice than being limited by hardware. 99.999% of people can not actually see frame rates that fast....but every so called "competitive gamer" thinks they are in the .001%. They have shown that people with real game skill can use a potato computer and beat most other players who spent thousands.

It is really worth the time to get a few more frames.

In any case the method is the same. Watch hwinfo and see the clock rates the cores are running at. I forget the exact numbers for your processor. If the 2 main cores are boasting to rated speed that is the best you can do. I don't think you can change this stuff on a non "k" cpu anyway.

If they do not boost to the max check why you are throttling.

 

[ridwan123]

Do you have a monitor that can actually display frames that fast. extra frames that can not be displayed in effect do not exist.
I would not worry about the numbers you see on the screen. Shooter games are more about skill and practice than being limited by hardware. 99.999% of people can not actually see frame rates that fast....but every so called "competitive gamer" thinks they are in the .001%. They have shown that people with real game skill can use a potato computer and beat most other players who spent thousands.

It is really worth the time to get a few more frames.

In any case the method is the same. Watch hwinfo and see the clock rates the cores are running at. I forget the exact numbers for your processor. If the 2 main cores are boasting to rated speed that is the best you can do. I don't think you can change this stuff on a non "k" cpu anyway.

If they do not boost to the max check why you are throttling.

I only have gigabyte gs27q 1440 monitor 165 hz and it still smooth.i only care the fps number and the stable the framerate is .it just for self satisfaction that i can achieve that

 

[ridwan123]

I am very tired with cs 2 gpu usage drop ,my pc is not bad it still in today standard and the problem is with gpu usage dropping from 100 to 77 percent and the framerate drop too.this always happen in deathmatch where 16 people or 15 join the match at it started to happen.is it because of bottleneck or the game is very intense in warfight which can make drop

My spex
I7 14700F
Rtx 4070 super
Z790 gigabyte gaming x ax ddr 5
6000 mhz ddr 5 corsair 16×2
650 w psu 80+normal

I already tried rising icc max seems it still dropping

 

[Lutfij]

650 w psu 80+normal
650W is the advertised wattage of the PSU, while 80+ normal isn't really a designation of any standard. What is the make and model of the unit and it's age?

BIOS version for your motherboard?

 

[ridwan123]

650 w psu 80+normal
650W is the advertised wattage of the PSU, while 80+ normal isn't really a designation of any standard. What is the make and model of the unit and it's age?

BIOS version for your motherboard?

Bios version F9
digital alliance 650 w 80+not gold

 

[Metal Messiah.]

That Digital Alliance PSU model looks pretty weak/bad by specs. Look at the +12V rating.

Can this power up your RTX 4070 SUPER ? The page says model only has a single PCI-E (6+2 pin) cable. Never heard anyone use a Digital Alliance PSU on a gaming PC before though.

Is this your PSU model or you have some other unit ? Bronze rated ?

DA DENGEN 650W 80+ Bronze

digitalalliance.co.id

But anyway, the latest BIOS version of your mobo is F11b, dated Jun 06, 2024. Update it.

CS2 is mostly a CPU-bound game though, but still requires a decent GPU, but your specs are already good enough for this game. I guess your current PSU is the "weak link" here. I'm not sure though.

What is the exact brand and model number of your RTX 4070 Super GPU ?

 

[ridwan123]

That Digital Alliance PSU model looks pretty weak/bad by specs. Look at the +12V rating.

Can this power up your RTX 4070 SUPER ? The page says model only has a single PCI-E (6+2 pin) cable. Never heard anyone use a Digital Alliance PSU on a gaming PC before though.

Is this your PSU model or you have some other unit ? Bronze rated ?

DA DENGEN 650W 80+ Bronze

digitalalliance.co.id

But anyway, the latest BIOS version of your mobo is F11b, dated Jun 06, 2024. Update it.

CS2 is mostly a CPU-bound game though, but still requires a decent GPU, but your specs are already good enough for this game. I guess your current PSU is the "weak link" here. I'm not sure though.

What is the exact brand and model number of your RTX 4070 Super GPU ?

It still can power up my system that i have 8+8 power pin ,my gpu is from zotac rtx 4070 super twin edge oc white edition.i think my psu is bronze.but i still dont know that my average score in 3d mark is below average maybe because of bad pcie lanes or bad psu.but in gpu z the power pin 16× is shown

 

[Zerk2012]

It still can power up my system that i have 8+8 power pin ,my gpu is from zotac rtx 4070 super twin edge oc white edition.i think my psu is bronze.but i still dont know that my average score in 3d mark is below average maybe because of bad pcie lanes or bad psu.but in gpu z the power pin 16× is shown

Please keep it to one thread when you start new ones it gets more confusing.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...od-for-cpu-bound-games.3847085/#post-23282013

That game is very CPU dependent but only a few cores. The more that is on the screen the bigger FPS drops your going to have.

Not much you can do about it limiting your FPS might help some.

I would make a suggestion to just cut off the FPS tracker and enjoy the game.

 

[ridwan123]

I recently got gpu usage drop in cs 2,the problem is when 16 people enter the deathmatch and all play SMG or rifle the fps in some spot appear to drop especially in gpu usage.sometimes i dont believe that my i7 14700f still make gpu usage drop to 70 percent which i got only 166 fps 1440p max out setting.i already increase icc max but it did not help.is the problem cannot be fixed or it just how the game it does?

Gpu : RTX 4070 SUPER
PROC : I7 14700F 300 ICC MAX
RAM : 16×2 CORSAIR 6000 MHz
Psu : 650 w 80+silver (it still enough to play )
Mobo : z790 giga gaming x ax

 

[Metal Messiah.]

Didn't you ask a similar question just few days ago ? Or, this is different ?

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/i-got-gpu-usage-drop-in-cs-2.3847195/#post-23282665

 

[ridwan123]

Didn't you ask a similar question just few days ago ? Or, this is different ?

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/i-got-gpu-usage-drop-in-cs-2.3847195/#post-23282665

Owh i forgot and i need more clue from other people

 

[Zerk2012]

And the same thing here.
https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...od-for-cpu-bound-games.3847085/#post-23282013