Name just one thing an Apple PC can do that any non-Apple PC can't? That's as easy as breathing. I left the non-Apple PC world two years ago. Here are a few of the things my Macs can do that non of my other machines could: Non of my Macs have ever shutdown improperly. I have never seen the blue screen of death. I have never had the mouse cursor hang or vanish. Two years going, and I haven't had a single system crash on either my iBook or Flat- panel iMac. In the end, it is very simple: On the Macs I spend time getting work done. On my non-Apple PCs I spend time working on keeping them running. Oh yeah, no registry! I sure am glad that nightmare is over. Also, my iBook cost less than the last non-Apple laptop I bought and the Flat-panel iMac I bought cost less than the last non-Apple PC desktop that I bought. . . . but you just wanted one thing didn't you . .. sorry, had to share.
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Funny. None of my PCs have shut down improperly in over three years, and one of them runs 24/7/52. None of them have crashed in that time either. I have never seen the BSOD on these systems. I have never had the mouse cursor hang or vanish. And both of these PCs cost about half of the price of an equally-performing and featured Mac.
ulfhednar, I don't know where you shop, but here in the <i>real</i> world we can configure PCs that are stable with relative ease and you get a <i>lot</i> more performance and features than an equally-priced Mac.
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ulfhednar, I don't know where you shop, but here in the <i>real</i> world we can configure PCs that are stable with relative ease and you get a <i>lot</i> more performance and features than an equally-priced Mac.
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Just a month ago I would have fully agreed. However with the G5 this will do a LOT to put Macs back on line with PCs.
They'll still cost a a lot more than an equivalent PC, but at least now they will get the same performance and features for that insanely high price. 😉
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things I don't like about macs:
1. keyboard is too small (typing on a G3 right now - my hand is cramping up)
2. mouse also hurts my hand and only has one button
3. monitor takes up way to much room
4. designed to look pretty instead of be the most functional it can be
5. I can't build my own mac
6. I can't play all the games I want to play on a mac
7. For an equally performing mac (vs a pc) I'm going to have to spend more money
8. I can't easily update all of the hardware on a mac (kind of goes along with the fact that I can't build one)
9. mac lies
10. even though OS X looks cool (and seems to be stable) it wastes valuable clock cycles "looking neat-o"
that is about all I have for now - while windows has its problems (I'll be the first to admit that - I really hate it) I find it much easier to use and navigate around. If linux had the driver and gaming support that windows does I would be using that. The best thing I can say about a Mac is the OS - it seems to be pretty solid but I don't see much else that I like. When my PC starts to get old I can update a few parts for maybe 400 bucks and have an up-to-date rig without much waste (can probably build another cheaper PC with leftover parts) but when a MAC gets old I would be left with a teal and clear plastic paperweight.
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1. keyboard is too small (typing on a G3 right now - my hand is cramping up)
2. mouse also hurts my hand and only has one button
3. monitor takes up way to much room
4. designed to look pretty instead of be the most functional it can be
5. I can't build my own mac
6. I can't play all the games I want to play on a mac
7. For an equally performing mac (vs a pc) I'm going to have to spend more money
8. I can't easily update all of the hardware on a mac (kind of goes along with the fact that I can't build one)
9. mac lies
10. even though OS X looks cool (and seems to be stable) it wastes valuable clock cycles "looking neat-o"
that is about all I have for now - while windows has its problems (I'll be the first to admit that - I really hate it) I find it much easier to use and navigate around. If linux had the driver and gaming support that windows does I would be using that. The best thing I can say about a Mac is the OS - it seems to be pretty solid but I don't see much else that I like. When my PC starts to get old I can update a few parts for maybe 400 bucks and have an up-to-date rig without much waste (can probably build another cheaper PC with leftover parts) but when a MAC gets old I would be left with a teal and clear plastic paperweight.
"Don't question it!!!" - Err
I also find this to be generally true. The only time my PC becomes unstable is when I do something dumb because I'm trying to do something that the ordinary user wouldn't do. I'm working on breaking this G3 right now - I'll keep you guys updated.
"Don't question it!!!" - Err
"Don't question it!!!" - Err
11. if i'm clicking and dragging its hard because its like the whole mouse is one button so if I run out of space and have to lift up the mouse it takes some talent to hold that button down. Who engineered this stuff??
"Don't question it!!!" - Err
"Don't question it!!!" - Err
Yes. I mean, Mercedes are safer than Toyotas after all, too, right? They just cost 3 times as much, that's all. So I guess if you've got that kind of money to blow, knock yourself out. And they look so nice.
And if anything goes wrong and needs to be fixed with that overpriced hunk of metal, you have to go crawling back to the dealer whose going to take a look at what your credit limit is before he turns you over and takes whatever he wants. Super!!!
I'm pretty sure that not that many people who are interested in getting a good power vs. cost deal are going out to buy overpriced/underperforming Dells anyway.
What is it with Mac people who have to bash the pc hardware platform. If it's Windows you don't like, then just use your Mac and be happy.
I think the smartest thing Steve Jobs could ever do is port the OS over to fully compliant pc hardware. I even read an article the other day mentioning that apple executives have been putting pressure on him for some time to do so. I was a strictly mac user for years until I realized that I was getting a *little bit* easier to use software with hardware performance that just didn't compare for the price. Imagine if you could get a 3.2 P4 setup with all the trimmings and then be able to toss on either a Mac OS or a Windows OS. That would be attractive to me. Especially if the software I like to use was available/compatible on either.
It also seems to amaze me that Maczealots don't take into consideration what some else said, that basically Mac has a monopoly on the chip and the OS (and the hardware to a certain extent). Can you imagine what it would be like if one company controlled both the PC chip and the PC OS market exclusively? Well there wouldn't be very much pressure to evolve, compete, and drive down prices, would there? Wait! It's Mac.
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And if anything goes wrong and needs to be fixed with that overpriced hunk of metal, you have to go crawling back to the dealer whose going to take a look at what your credit limit is before he turns you over and takes whatever he wants. Super!!!
I'm pretty sure that not that many people who are interested in getting a good power vs. cost deal are going out to buy overpriced/underperforming Dells anyway.
What is it with Mac people who have to bash the pc hardware platform. If it's Windows you don't like, then just use your Mac and be happy.
I think the smartest thing Steve Jobs could ever do is port the OS over to fully compliant pc hardware. I even read an article the other day mentioning that apple executives have been putting pressure on him for some time to do so. I was a strictly mac user for years until I realized that I was getting a *little bit* easier to use software with hardware performance that just didn't compare for the price. Imagine if you could get a 3.2 P4 setup with all the trimmings and then be able to toss on either a Mac OS or a Windows OS. That would be attractive to me. Especially if the software I like to use was available/compatible on either.
It also seems to amaze me that Maczealots don't take into consideration what some else said, that basically Mac has a monopoly on the chip and the OS (and the hardware to a certain extent). Can you imagine what it would be like if one company controlled both the PC chip and the PC OS market exclusively? Well there wouldn't be very much pressure to evolve, compete, and drive down prices, would there? Wait! It's Mac.
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ALL LIES!!! Macs are the worthless hunks of junk that are the source of all evil on this planet. Several weeks ago I had to transfer video from a vhs to a dvd and a few cd's. I don't have a tv in, but my friend who does video editing does, but he uses a mac. Fine, these things are supposed to be all stable and user friendly, right? They are SO user friendly that they don't allow you to do anything. When I want to set a system setting, there's no option cause apparently mac users shouldn't be allowed to change their system settings, cause I mean, who needs to tailor their comp to their needs, right? Next, the POS (o, it's a G4 btw, running the a bunch of os's from 9.0 to os X) managed to crash three times, yes ladies and gentlemen, not one, not two, but three motherfarking times while I was transferring the video. [-peep-] editing video on that, too slow and unstable. Great, I'll just zip the uncompressed files, save $15 by burning the zipped files onto cd instead of DVD right? Wrong. The first zipping program I downloaded crashed the comp twice when I tried to run it. Next. That crashed it too. At this point the vein on my forehead and neck was bulging quite a bit, so I went outside for a few mins to beat the hell out of a tree and buy dvd's. Came back, burned em after 2 crashes, o, and of course my favorite part- it had to check the files 3 times, not once, 3 times. You have any idea how long that takes???? And of course there was no way to disable that option. So a burning operation that should have taken 30 mins tops took 2 hours. In conclusion, an operation that was supposed to take 2-2.5 hours took 8.5 hours because of idiocy, stupidity, inanity, foolishness, foolhardiness, and an overall lack of common sense on Apple's part. You will never make me touch a hunk of junk like that again, except with a hammer or a chainsaw.
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You guys are all fanboys. I'm really interested to see how this thing does. It would be nice if Apple was competative again.
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Hey, if the thing performs well in fpu, I'd be all for it, as long as it's not on a mac os.
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See the thing is that I used a Mac for 11 years and I never ever had a problem with them. Ever. I only moved to the PC platform since games were becoming limited for the Mac. So when someone like you or the guy who wrote the article at amdzone starts going off, I immediately think "fanboy". In his case he was just a bitter person, in your case I'm not so sure you really WANT to use a mac. People complaining about stupid things like the mouse are just not used to it. Do you guys have any idea how ridiculous I found the 2 or 3 button mouse at first? I constantly was wondering why they needed more than one button to do exactly what I could do with one button. Now I think I'd have just as hard a time going back to one button.
Me moving to the PC was a step backwards. Yes it was really fun to have a bunch of games to play, but can you imagine my horror when I had to use Win98? I couldn't believe the crap that I had to go through. That computer crashed so much that any sane person would have gone back to the Mac...if it wasn't for the lack of games. And then can you imagine my horror when they release what they call an improved OS only to find out it's WinME? Or what about the hoards of AOL users that made up the PC internet world? Come on everyone, raise your hand if you were using AOL back in 1995. Yeah, that's what I thought: All of you. The PC wasn't that great for me until I learned to take it apart and play with it. Thus, why I'm here.
Granted I have no plans to go back to the Mac, but if they became competative it would be good for all of us. I realize that I can't speak on behalf of Macintosh computers over the last handfull of years, but I feel that I have enough time with them to be able to say that they made damn good computers. I like WinXP, but it nonetheless has little issues here and there. For example my explorer.exe task is always trying to hog up all the cpu cycles. It's slowing the computer to a crawl. I never had problems like that with a Mac.
Do I need to go on, or do you want to judge the macintosh based on your measly 8.5 hours?
Stop being fanboys and pray that they do well. We need Apple to be competative.
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Me moving to the PC was a step backwards. Yes it was really fun to have a bunch of games to play, but can you imagine my horror when I had to use Win98? I couldn't believe the crap that I had to go through. That computer crashed so much that any sane person would have gone back to the Mac...if it wasn't for the lack of games. And then can you imagine my horror when they release what they call an improved OS only to find out it's WinME? Or what about the hoards of AOL users that made up the PC internet world? Come on everyone, raise your hand if you were using AOL back in 1995. Yeah, that's what I thought: All of you. The PC wasn't that great for me until I learned to take it apart and play with it. Thus, why I'm here.
Granted I have no plans to go back to the Mac, but if they became competative it would be good for all of us. I realize that I can't speak on behalf of Macintosh computers over the last handfull of years, but I feel that I have enough time with them to be able to say that they made damn good computers. I like WinXP, but it nonetheless has little issues here and there. For example my explorer.exe task is always trying to hog up all the cpu cycles. It's slowing the computer to a crawl. I never had problems like that with a Mac.
Do I need to go on, or do you want to judge the macintosh based on your measly 8.5 hours?
Stop being fanboys and pray that they do well. We need Apple to be competative.
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It's funny that you would call everyone who doesn't share your opinion fanboys. Practically everything you've presented was a subjective experience. Unless you have some emperical data to back it up. And your attitude implies you're perfectly willing to deem WinXP "inferior" to the great MacOS's (even though OS 7-9 had worse memory management than even win95, and that's saying something). Behind every person who praises the Mac is someone who likes it because of subjective reasons (the pretty colors, the sounds, who knows) and then turns around and makes fun of people who don't like it for the same reasons.
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Apple will only be competitive when they get rid of Jobs, lower their prices, and allow people to make clones (or even build their own) again.
I like Macs too, but I hate the prices and the way Apple uses lies and anti-PC propaganda as its main marketing strategy.
I like Macs too, but I hate the prices and the way Apple uses lies and anti-PC propaganda as its main marketing strategy.
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DH, this hasn't been my one experience with macs, this was just the most recent. Yes it was full of aggrivation, but when u've got finals, a paper, and a project all due in 2 days and u expect something to go smoothly as it would on my pc and it doesn't and wastes a day, well you're ready to kill things. From previous experience where I had to fix macs and use em (again some were for video editing and it kept crapping up as well as on other tasks) I just find they are worse than when I config my own comp. I'll spend several hours if necessary tweaking windows this way and that, but I'll get it right so it won't crash. Using win98 I could go a year+ w/o crashing. Then I discovered win2k and xp and they don't need much tweaking to work nicely. Simply put, macs r slow and their os is unstable though it claims stability while the attempts to make it user friendly have turned into a horror where many of the customizeable options one has on pc are not there. To me that makes a worthless computer.
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I have many years on both platforms. Calling one a peice of shite is simply not true.
I have never seen a single person on Earth who could go a year or more on Win98 without crashing. I don't even think Crashman would claim that.
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I have never seen a single person on Earth who could go a year or more on Win98 without crashing. I don't even think Crashman would claim that.
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Don't put words in my mouth.
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i dont get why people always complain about win98.. ive been using it for years now and apart from one oc experiment that went wrong and one dead hdd i dont recall a single crash, freeze, restart or bsod. i dont tweak the os ive never needed to just install it and off it goes. maybe im one of the lucky ones *shrug*...
I <i>like</i> windows 98. It lets you fiddle with what you want, and is quite happily stable once you've got it all set up.
Oh, and just to add my voice: I hate Macs too. They're for girls and stoned art students, more concerned with how their computer looks on the desk than whether it even works.... :lol:
Just bored, thought I'd try and annoy some people....
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Oh, and just to add my voice: I hate Macs too. They're for girls and stoned art students, more concerned with how their computer looks on the desk than whether it even works.... :lol:
Just bored, thought I'd try and annoy some people....
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One big advantage of a Mac over a IBM clone is the resale value!
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