If You Hate Apple and Macs, Read This

[zachary k]

wow....this article.....leaves me.....completely unchanged, APPLE SUCKS!!
apple serves one purpose, and that's to keep the feds off Microsoft's back for those stupid monopoly laws. is it a monopoly if they made a awesome product everyone likes and no1 can compete with? without monopoly laws, apple would be dead, and perhaps amd.

 

[mharris80]

Ok, first off let me say that I don't hate Apple. I'm a Linux guy, so my OS of choice will run on either platform. What irks me, though, is-as mentioned before-some of the mistruths that have been stated in certain headlines. Especially those in regards to supposed performance variations between one OS and another. Seriously, if you like something well enough, shouldn't it be able to stand on its own merits? I'm a firm believer in using whatever works best for you. Thus, I see Windows, Linux, and OSX as all being viable products in their own right. The point I'm getting at is that rather than using misleading titles to drive up hit counts, a neutral approach to the subject matter at hand would be far more conducive to taking the article seriously. It would also be far less apt to launching the sorts of flamewars we've been seeing lately.

 

[Attila_the_pun]

IT!!![/citation]
[citation][nom]cruiseoveride[/nom]I think that's a convoluted thing to say. If someone is attracted to Apple products for whatever reason, but then can't afford to make a purchase, it doesn't mean Apple's pricing doesn't affect that person.People may find it easy to use Apple's market positioning as a surrogate to the price argument to avoid questioning their buying power. Logically, this attitude would extend to all premium products, but it doesn't!A lot of people can't afford a Mercedes-Benz, but you don't see people going around trash talking the brand.[/citation]

I find the people that end up hating macs the most are the ones that pay the higher price only to figure out that all that advertising was false and you payed more for an inferior machine. When you buy a Mercedes-Benz you usually get better than if you bought a significantly cheaper car.

I also agree that the people that post 3 words statements against apple should not post at all.

 

[matt87_50]

I agree that there is a bit too much hate, attacking authors is way over the top.

THE BIGGEST issue we have is that toms is betraying their original AND current target audience by thinking we care about macs!

All I have to do is go to the home page and see articles about, mobos, cpus, gfx cards, overclocking, best bang for buck for this and that.

Apple stands against all of this stuff. they don't want customizability, they don't want people tinkering and tweaking and THEY DON'T care about people getting the best bang for their buck! they are for people who don't care how or why it works, just as long as it works, in general, people who come to toms hardware, ESPECIALLY people like me who have been coming here for years, are the opposite!

So while commenters shouldn't be so abusive, toms shouldn't be surprised that most of their readers hate Apple, they shouldn't be jumping on the over hyped apple rumor mill just cause everyone else is. and they certainly shouldn't do it TO START FLAMEWARS like some sites do, not if they are gonna bitch when we flame!

 

[nebun]

great job,there are way to many ignorant people out there. i personally have a PC system for games and an Apple system for everything else, in my own opinion these days both systems are very stable. it depends on what you want from your hardware to do. apple is not better than windows or vice versa, use what get's the job done and get over it.

 

[bnd1989]

@dc_webster and Drag0nR1der you two have a great comment.

I always enjoy read article like "Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: xxxx"
I want to know what is the best for my buck and all people I know. So that's why I always come back to this site for article like that.

If you can't make article like that, and instead of that you make news like http://www.tomshardware.com/news/snow-leopard-windows-7-comparison,8872.html#t84093 then I can't recommend Mac to all people around me.
I love this site test Intel/AMD, ATI/Nv you always point out who is better in some price range. Even for me it's stupid to compare 2 OS, but because if you want to buy OS-X you must buy mac then it will interesting who is better with same hardware.

Because you said that "Do research, tests, etc. Come to your own conclusions." To tell you the truth I don't have that kind of money. So I relies to site like this to make my decision. But you said you can't get a sample. Okay... that's fine. But you also must stop posting stupid news full of bias information.

 

[VGM10000]

[citation][nom]JWL3[/nom]I don't hate Apple. I just don't like liberals. And most of Apple's users are liberals.[/citation]

That's like saying you hate the U.S because it voted for a democratic president.
What's the point of the comment, anyhow, other than to start a flame war? You just read (hopefully) a very good article on how both sides debate over something as stupid as brand preference, and you bend it into a political mishap!

This is exactly what people should avoid. All you will get is a forum of really angry people, with nobody being convinced otherwise from what they believed to begin with. Enough said.

 

[gossmann1]

I think Apple products are fine even though I would not buy them. Those out there that like Apple products go buy them by all means if that is what you wish to do. My opinion on the matter is that Apple is way to proprietary of a platform personally. Apple would be much more than it is today if there OS was able to be purchased and used by everyone and not just on Apple products manufactured by Apple. Secondly, I personally prefer to build my own machine which is not something you can't do with OS X unless you do it illegally. I could care less how much someone wants to spend on a machine but I don't really think anyone needs a hardware reviews website based on the purchase of a pre-built machine. That would be like, for example, websites dedicated to a brand based product like Dell for example. When people get on a website and read about processors, video cards, cooling systems etc. they are PC users typically and not Mac users. But again, is a Mac a good machine? No doubt! Are most people that read Tom's Hardware and similar websites front and back users of Mac's. Probably a small percentage since there machine came pre-built and upgrades are of a minor stature. I have no problem with Tom's Hardware publishing a Mac article but I would not read it because I could care less about Mac's. Why would someone start name calling and bashing the writers of Tom's Hardware for this is absolutely uncalled for and immature. Thank you for your service Tom's Hardware ;-)

 

[Airey]

Well said.
To everyone who works at Tom's Hardware, please don't be upset by those negative comments from those minorities. I enjoy reading Tom's Hardware site and almost never comment. Like one comedian said "people with the least shxt say the most shxt." I am also on many other tech forums online, and they all regularly cite information from Tom's Hardware. It's one of the best tech site. Keep up the good work. Be happy~ Cheers.

 

[cyberkuberiah]

if one is a real enthusiast , he will shoot for performance first . on every budget point , a pc can surely beat apple . what remains is marketing fluff.

its just that they have some styled products which are useless for most of enthusiasts or gamers .

 

[cyberkuberiah]

tuan , what do you mean by "my team" , ? what happened to our saviour Thomas Pabst ? i am serious , i mean did he leave after bestofmedia takeover or something ? i will kind of get hurt if he is no more here .

 

[VGM10000]

[citation][nom]gossmann1[/nom]I think Apple products are fine even though I would not buy them... I personally prefer to build my own machine... Why would someone start name calling and bashing the writers of Tom's Hardware for [reporting on Apple products/events is absolutely uncalled for and immature. Thank you for your service Tom's Hardware ;-)[/citation]

Well said; I am a user of both Windows and OS X. And I have had enough. I would imagine PC readers don't read the PC related articles just to read the negative comments, as is the same for Mac users. No side is innocent, but could you guys act a little more like gossmann and show some level of civility? It's not like one OS is REALLY better than the other; that is purely based on preference.

 

[gossmann1]

[citation][nom]NeBuN[/nom]great job,there are way to many ignorant people out there. i personally have a PC system for games and an Apple system for everything else, in my own opinion these days both systems are very stable. it depends on what you want from your hardware to do. apple is not better than windows or vice versa, use what get's the job done and get over it.[/citation]
I could not have said it any better myself! Amen!

 

[croc]

Tuan, congrats... You now have six pages of 'hits' and counting. Tom's should give you a nice bonus check this month.

 

[hummerchine]

Wow! The Apple hatred is even worse than I thought! I just don't get it, since I believe that their products rule! I have about 20 computers, most used in my dental practice; about 60 percent are Macs. They would all be Macs, except that I have some proprietary dental software that will only run on PCs. My experience has been that 95 percent of my computer problems are on my PCs. Does that mean that my PCs suck, or the Windows sucks? No. But I certainly prefer the stability and lack of computer issues on my Macs, and I very much prefer OS X to Windows. The few problems I've ever had with my Macs I was able to fix easily by myself; many of my PC issues have required hiring outside help, which is always a huge pain if not a nightmare. So I have a hard time understanding the Apple hatred; I can't help but think that many if not most of those who hate Apple have never owned one of their computers. Anyway, I read Tom's Hardware just about every day, and I certainly appreciate articles that cover the entire spectrum!

 

[tektek]

For some reason.. after seeing 6 pages.. i feel like i finally lost trust in this site.. i used to read it since 2000.. and finally signed up 3 years ago..now.. not sure.. but Toms doesnt feel the same anymore.. maybe this article killed it for me.. Enjoy it Mac users.. Lets hope u'll be able to open your mac one day and tinker with it via Tom's help.

 

[kamel5547]

Tuan, who is your editor? Obviously you don't actcally read the comments, as your summary actually ignores any major point brought up. The Mac is fine... for anyone who a) doesn't careto do any customization b) doesn't care about limitations on the software they can run and c) is willing to pay a premium for a &b. Unfortunately these items have no reason to be on Tom's Hardware, in fact they are the opposite of what Tom's is(and some extent now was) successful for. Want to publish pro-Mac articles, great, do so in an appropriate forum. As a buyer for a large (50,000+ user) corporation I don't come here for articles on Mac's, there are plenty of sites devoted to that. Essentially my point is you are addressing a PC community, if you want to write about Mac's that's great, however a better forum would be a Mac oriented site.

 

[kyeana]

www.anandtech.com

 

[dukeariochofchaos]

I like this article because it made me think.

I like Tom's, because there is always something to think about.
I rarely agree with everything, or the way things are done, but i always have fun looking at new articles.

That being said, I believe that the comments are all important, even the flames.
People are rude, emotionally immature, short sighted, and arrogant. That's just life, and there is no sense in removing the parts of life that don't appeal to you.
Like Tuan wrote, if you don't like it, don't read it.
That goes for flames as well as articles.

Personally, I don't like Macs much, and I have used plenty of them at jobs when I had no choice.

I also beleive that some of the flamers have a point.
Macs, by tuan's own admission, are really just a brand subset of the PC market.
However, Mac goes out of their way to make everything as proprietary as possible, making them the ultimate cult PC company.
If you are going to do Mac articles, shouldn't you do Dell articles and Sony articles, and HP articles, and, well... you get the point.

Sony has some pretty cool all-in-one PC designs. Like Mac, they are a bit expensive, and don't perform as well as a real desktop, but the design is fantastic.

I understand that Tom's is trying to respond to it's readership, or to build new readership by focusing on popular companies, but is Mac more worthy of coverage than other proprietary PC manufacturers simply because they have attracted a cult following with clever marketing?

Dell and HP must have some pretty high sales figures,
but I don't see a lot of info about their new models on Tom's.
The last Dell review was what, 10 years ago?
you might say that people who buy these computers don't read Tom's, but I think you're wrong.
Lots of people who can only afford or have time for a dell or hp like to read about new tech.
Do you think that such consumers just buy a Dell without a second thought?
The same might be said about Mac customers.
In both cases, they may still wish to read about new features, or see upcoming designs.

Maybe i'm totally wrong, maybe nobody wants any dell articles, OR any Mac articles, but can you expect to play favorites to Mac without ruffling any feathers?

Thanks again for a great article, and an opportunity to point out what we like or don't like about apple!

 

[Guest]

I just find that there's a higher number Apple articles lately, and they don't really apply to the majority (PC users).

Obviously, someone out there is wanting to promote Apple products a lot more...

IMHO.

 

[tarheels_100]

Thanks for the lecture. You're a journalist; grow some skin.

 

[jj463rd]

[citation][nom]Attila_the_pun[/nom]IT!!![/citation]
I find the people that end up hating macs the most are the ones that pay the higher price only to figure out that all that advertising was false and you payed more for an inferior machine. When you buy a Mercedes-Benz you usually get better than if you bought a significantly cheaper car. I also agree that the people that post 3 words statements against apple should not post at all.[/citation]
Not true.I have a 33 year old Volkswagen Model 111 (Beetle) that still works reliably to this day although 10 years ago I did have to replace the rings,pistons and cylinder heads for a total expense of only $160 and an hours work and changed the Clutch pressure plate 2 times.It gets me from point A to Point B just as well as any Mercedes-Benz only a lot cheaper and with great milage.Besides I like the little Hitler-Porsche car.

 

[sungho]

boo. this is to much info about nothing productive

 

[anamaniac]

Well said.

One complaint I do have however... back in my old school, teachers got $500 laptops, they were the best the school would give them... unless they specified they wanted a Macintosh, then the sky was the limit... for both laptops and desktops. My old school wasted a lot of their bidget on Macs were in fatct the $500 laptops were more tha enough for all but one person.

I do admit I want a Macintosh tower painted black for my PC. The towers look awesome.
The laptops look like shit though...

 

[selloutjoe]

Gee, maybe we all should UPS some crying towels to the "hurt" authors.

The article is really lame because it fails to realize that Apple has a massive marketing claiming Apple is really cool and part of the "in" crowd while all PCs and owners are very old and dumb. So, Apple daily flames the PC crowd, but does Sony, HP, Dell, IBM, ACER, and Lenevo flame Apple in ads- no.

So, when an "author" starts acting like an Applefanboy, cheering about Apple's products greatness but avoids analyzing the it's weakness as well in a balance matter......ie... iPhone SMS, battery, etc ...... and how long did it take to print about the new Apple OS problems...... and they are the last one on the tech block to comment! One wonders.

Brainwashing is an old cold warfare term, but it works here because Apple fans are unhappy that PC fans don't like being slammed, are voicing their opinions which appears to be unacceptable to the "in" crowd. It appears that only Apple approved "speak" is permitted. the author should really simply state Applebuddy behind his title, everything would be cool for most readers, maybe at the APPLE Temple of worship they'll be unhappy.............. but isn't honesty more important than "sale pitch"? Unless the authors are "pitching" for an Apple marketing position, no doubt a great job position. ;-)