INTEL RELEASES MOTHER-OF-ALL-FUD DOC

[MadModMike]

yeah i do man bye i gotta go now be back in a few hours

Remind me, is this a Lobby or a Forum?

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[hergieburbur]

I'm fckin' right though.
And i don't give a dang about computers as long programs work on them. But facts are facts and you're AMD fanboyism is beyond anything i have ever encountered.
LOL i'm having the time of my life here.
You don't see the empty part of the glass when it comes to AMD. You're as blinded as you are not bright. You get mad over some speculation, you don't justify your claims and you make cats look like lions and vice versa.
You should get some time off LOL. Who ever gets mad in a public forum is bound to have other problems as well. You waste your time praising AMD. One thing is what there currently is,a totally different thing is what will be esspecially when changing arhitectures.
So i believe that Conroe will beat AMD. So what's the problem with that?
Does that alone make me an Intel fanboy? Nope just a X person that finds the Conroe looking impressive.

I'll give up on this one. You'd continue discusing this all night(it's night here were i stand). Sry and don't worry. There are a lot of other posts that you might consider Intel biased so go,go flammin'. I sincerely hope you'll find your equivalent of fanboyism on the Intel side so you can chat all day
long!

You are the Intel fanboy, guy. Thats been the point all along.

BTW, for future reference, the Inquirer is not exactly the best source of factual information.

If you don't give a dang about computer hardware, WTH are you doing on a computer HARDWARE forum touting Intel and arguing about it?

 

[ches111]

Mike,

Truly, I hope the newer Intels own AMD. I also hope the newer AMDs released after that FULLY own INTEL Conroe and so on and so on.

Why would anyone anywhere HOPE that the next gen of a product from any company would not completely own the previous versions of available products?

I am a true fanboy (your word not mine since I can not stand the term) of performance in any format. If ATI releases the fastest beast while I am currently looking at an NVIDIA then I will buy the ATI. If INTEL releases the best bang for the buck over an AMD (which they are currently unable to do) then I will BUY an Intel. If the other way happens then I have NO problems buying an AMD (none what so ever).

You guys kill me AMD is better than Intel and always will be. Well I hope NOT. I hope they keep completely OWNING each other. That way someone like me who builds without bias will always have access to the best.

 

[ches111]

Progression of builds for me:

Timex Sinclair 1000
TRS 80 (whooo hooo)
True IBM 8088
Intel 386 SX16
Intel 386 SX25
Intel 486 DX2 66
AMD 486 DX2 80
Intel Pentium 200
AMD Athlon 900
Intel P4 3.0C
Probably AMD x2 4800

All of these were built with current price/perfomance leaders in mind. Who wins? Me.....

Oh man I just realized that I have built more Intel machines than I have AMD (oh man i must be an Intel fanboy)!!

 

[MadModMike]

Mike,

Truly, I hope the newer Intels own AMD. I also hope the newer AMDs reelased after that FULLY own INTEL Conroe and so on and so on.

Why would anyone anywhere HOPE that the next gen of a product from any company would not completely own the previous versions of available products?

I am a true fanboy (your word not mine since I can not stand the term) of performance in any format. If ATI releases the fastest beast while I am currently looking at an NVIDIA then I will buy the ATI. If INTEL releases the best bang for the buck over an AMD (which they are currently unable to do) then I will BUY an Intel. If the other way happens then I have NO problems buying an AMD (none what so ever).

You guys kill me AMD is better than Intel and always will be. Well I hope NOT. I hope they keep completely OWNING each other. That way someone like me who builds without bias will always have access to the best.

I never said I hoped the new AMD CPU's would own the new Intel's, I said that they would. And congrats, you're an unbiased person, oOoOoOoOo, if you don't like Fanboy, what about Fangirl? 😵. BTW: I have strawberry stuff on my T-Shirt, what you think of that? I also am eating Arby's with Fries right now...what do you think of that?

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[MadModMike]

Progression of builds for me:

Timex Sinclair 1000
TRS 80 (whooo hooo)
True IBM 8088
Intel 386 SX16
Intel 386 SX25
Intel 486 DX2 66
AMD 486 DX2 80
Intel Pentium 200
AMD Athlon 900
Intel P4 3.0C
Probably AMD x2 4800

All of these were built with current price/perfomance leaders in mind. Who wins? Me.....

Oh man I just realized that I have built more Intel machines than I have AMD (oh man i must be an Intel fanboy)!!

:O UH OH! YOU'RE COOL NOW!

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[hergieburbur]

Very true.

My issue is that both companies release docs with claims about future performance (and many of those claims are outrageous), and people choose to believe one company is telling the truth while another is lying through their teeth, regardless of which it may be.

You guys gotta remember, these claims usually come from the marketing dept. And the marketing department always overstates capabilties without really having a clue about how things work. I can't tell you how many times our Marketing/Sales Dept got us in a jam because they made outrageous claims.

 

[MadModMike]

I can't really say I've seen too many AMD Press Releases slamming Intel or touting performance, but vice versa I can see a river.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[hergieburbur]

I can't really say I've seen too many AMD Press Releases slamming Intel or touting performance, but vice versa I can see a river.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

They don't have to be slamming, but I have (more in the past than lately), seen AMD press releases claiming better than actual performace. Plus, if I remeber right, the orginal PR names Athlons were a bit optimistic in their claims.

Besides, I am trying to be unbiased here, so that no-one jumps down my throat.

 

[MadModMike]

I can't really say I've seen too many AMD Press Releases slamming Intel or touting performance, but vice versa I can see a river.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

They don't have to be slamming, but I have (more in the past than lately), seen AMD press releases claiming better than actual performace. Plus, if I remeber right, the orginal PR names Athlons were a bit optimistic in their claims.

Besides, I am trying to be unbiased here, so that no-one jumps down my throat.

The only incorrect PR I can remember is the K5's. I won't deny AMD claiming performance benefits, but when you claim performance benefits in Press Releases or on Websites, and it turns out to be true (Such as the Opteron vs. Xeon), than you can't really call bad to that company for stating that.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[ches111]

Really intelligent posts Mike....

You think those up by yourself or did DVDpdiddy to help you?

You go around "trying" to slam people that say anything about an Intel.

I am pretty COOL by the way.... It is winter here in Colorado and it is just a little chilly out.

Where in my comments above did I slam/flame you?

I was stating what should hopefully be fact for everyone here.

This is a forum for enthusiasts right? Who would be upset if Intel did OWN AMD?

Sheesh!

 

[WaterFlow]

With all this talk about Intel and AMD...when are they going to have another price drop?

 

[MadModMike]

Really intelligent posts Mike....

You think those up by yourself or did DVDpdiddy to help you?

You go around "trying" to slam people that say anything about an Intel.

I am pretty COOL by the way.... It is winter here in Colorado and it is just a little chilly out.

Where in my comments above did I slam/flame you?

I was stating what should hopefully be fact for everyone here.

This is a forum for enthusiasts right? Who would be upset if Intel did OWN AMD?

Sheesh!

Anybody think ches111 is Apache__Lives in disguise? 😵. Still waiting on what you think of my strawberry shirt dilemma, maybe you can put your good 1337 H4K0R Skillz to use and calculate a formula for it. I did think up them all by myself....okay I kid, my mommy helped me, but that's it!

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[hergieburbur]

With all this talk about Intel and AMD...when are they going to have another price drop?

Well, the 939 chips from AMD will likely drop a lot once AM2 comes out.

 

[RocketRobin]

I can't really say I've seen too many AMD Press Releases slamming Intel or touting performance, but vice versa I can see a river.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Gee Mike, since Intel announced yesterday that they will decrease R&D spending to prop up revenues, IMO it's more correct to state:
1/ Intel slamms AMD more than AMD slamms Intel.
2/ Intel slamms Intel more than AMD slamms Intel.

 

[MadModMike]

I can't really say I've seen too many AMD Press Releases slamming Intel or touting performance, but vice versa I can see a river.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Gee Mike, since Intel announced yesterday that they will decrease R&D spending to prop up revenues, IMO it's more correct to state:
1/ Intel slamms AMD more than AMD slamms Intel.
2/ Intel slamms Intel more than AMD slamms Intel.

:?: I think you attempted to insult me.....

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[ches111]

I would love to see the Conroe push prices of the X2 AMDs down. That would make my HTPC build alot cheaper

 

[RowdyRob]

As we all know conroe comes out, INTEL might take the lead in performance or power usage or something else. Then AMD will come out withsomething better. then intel, so on and so forth. This is the way its meant to be done. Leapfrogging one another, staying competitive and always trying to outclass the other. Without this chain we wouldnt advance far at all. So intel will gain the lead for a bit... big deal, its only a matter of time before AMD retaliates, then its right back to intel. Point of the story: Leapfrogging drives technology.
BTW im not a fanboy or intel or AMD. the Best is the best after all.

 

[hergieburbur]

As we all know conroe comes out, INTEL might take the lead in performance or power usage or something else. Then AMD will come out withsomething better. then intel, so on and so forth. This is the way its meant to be done. Leapfrogging one another, staying competitive and always trying to outclass the other. Without this chain we wouldnt advance far at all. So intel will gain the lead for a bit... big deal, its only a matter of time before AMD retaliates, then its right back to intel. Point of the story: Leapfrogging drives technology.
BTW im not a fanboy or intel or AMD. the Best is the best after all.

How very true.

I think the reason for the debate is that it has been a long time, and a few generations since Intel truly leapfrogged AMD, though claimed to several times.

I think this round will be a lot more like you described though

 

[fainis]

remember boys that sinthetic benchmarks are not the correct way to test two cpus...real time windows (or linux) applications are ...
not to remind you that certain benchmarks are done for certain devices like 3dmark for nvidia :lol: ... i`m not surprised to see benchs for amd or intel...one thing is for sure some benchmarks favor intel and same favor amd...case closed

 

[hergieburbur]

remember boys that sinthetic benchmarks are not the correct way to test two cpus...real time windows (or linux) applications are ...
not to remind you that certain benchmarks are done for certain devices like 3dmark for nvidia :lol: ... i`m not surprised to see benchs for amd or intel...one thing is for sure some benchmarks favor intel and same favor amd...case closed

Who believes synthetic benchmarks? I usually just glance at those, since as you said, they are pretty much useless.

 

[CompGeek]

No, that's not what i meant. For me it doesn't matter what CPU it is as long as it works fine. Intel worked,works and hopefully will work fine for me. Why to switch when you have no problems. I skiped the 8xx and the 6xx because they were poor performers but i prefer waiting than getting AMD. And gaming,the thing Intel wasn't good at stresses mainly the gfx card not the CPU.
With 7900 series just around the corner and Conroe in the following months why not to wait?
If i wouldn't care about hardware at all i wouldn't spend money on computers.
And Inq usually bashes Intel so why they didn't in this article shows that even AMD fans that should know a lot about hardware have a positive opinion about Yonah and all chips using it. I don't put my hands on fire if this proves wrong but it does give hopes nevertheless.
I am an Intel fanboy but i have reasons for being one. The only motive i bash AMD sometimes is the fact that some of you do the same to Intel.
And when i hear crap like: X2 will be better clock per clock or AMDs low end is compeetitive with Intel's high end. While i agree about AMDs current lead there is no sense in widening the gap with senseless posting.

 

[apache_lives]

MadModMike i am apache_lives NOT ches111 and were not one person whatever your thinkin, just cause your an AMD fanboy and we (ches111) think alike (best bang for buck reguardless of Intel and AMD branding).

Anything not AMD and you hate it, well thats too bad - i hope conroe kicks ass with 20% more performance clock for clock then your AMD so we can pay your green ass out of the forums, but then i would be more annoyed at the even bigger and stupider amount of Intel fanboys.

ALL I WANT IS A GOD DAM FAST DUAL CORE CPU WITH 4+GHZ PERFORMANCE AND REALLY CHEAP - EITHER CONROE WILL BE QUICKER AND AMD WILL BE CHEAPER, OR AMD WILL BE QUICKER AND CONROE WILL BE CHEAPER - I DONT CARE.

Besides, anything (Intel core duo and solo) is quicker then the current P4's (single and dual).

And in all seriousness why would Intel design a chip to loose against an AMD thats been out for years - there ahead of schedual and there workin on a proven architecture - P6, prolly intels best core ever.

 

[coldfrench]

do you guys remember Toms doing an OC on a PM and piting it gainst FXs and PEEs etc? all i remember is that it owned them all when it came to the good stuff- not the meaningless benchmks- on the games and the apps.

Wierd thing was that it was running at about 2.5? on some adapter from asus.

Question: what fsb was it running at? 160.. Not 200 Like the FX 55 and P4 EEs and 660..how come it kicked ass? i thought intels FSB was the big weakness? looks like thats wrong- looks like the chip was the weakness..

Love to see that OCd to 200/or more.. with good 2-2-2-5- bet it kicks FX-57 and anything from chpzilla. But Noooo. Lol.



http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/25/dothan_over_netburst/

 

[hergieburbur]

With 7900 series just around the corner and Conroe in the following months why not to wait?

Just a thought, but has there ever been a time in computing in which you couldn't say that about product x and y??

What I have been saying is, if you are a fanboy, fine, but don't be one that is so closed-minded that you become almost a zealot. If conroe beats AMD by 20% (and it may), great. but please DON'T take Intel's word for it until its releasesd and we see actual data of it compared against AM2. The feel free to gloat all you want. We all know the AMD fanboys have as well.