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I don't know about the San Fran thing, but I do know that they were working on Atomic bombs as well (BTW, many of "our" guys who developed it were from Germany). They DID however, successfully launch a (I think) V2 rocket from a submarine.

I also know they had working jet fighters in I think 1939, but Heinkle was on the outs with Hitler, so he didn't get the contract, and they waited till ME came up with them.

I am a bit of a history buff myself.
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In fact Germany and othe rAxis and Allies were in development of Jet Craft before and during WW2. Germany was the first, but they also had several aircraft that just didnt go a damn bit of anywhere.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/german_jets.asp
 
I don't know about the San Fran thing, but I do know that they were working on Atomic bombs as well (BTW, many of "our" guys who developed it were from Germany). They DID however, successfully launch a (I think) V2 rocket from a submarine.

I also know they had working jet fighters in I think 1939, but Heinkle was on the outs with Hitler, so he didn't get the contract, and they waited till ME came up with them.

I am a bit of a history buff myself.
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In fact Germany and othe rAxis and Allies were in development of Jet Craft before and during WW2. Germany was the first, but they also had several aircraft that just didnt go a damn bit of anywhere.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/german_jets.asp

Quite True. but if the Heinkel 178 had gone into production in 1939, when it was first built, it would have dominated anything the allies had for the next 4 years at least. However, Hitler played favorites a lot and ignored the possibilities.
 
Hell, Hitler started and scrapped projects like he was eating candy. Only project with Jets that had any real military success was the V1 and V2 rockets, and even then he just used those to siege London and coastal Great Britain.
 
Depends on the benchmarks you pick on how much EE vs FX will win to be honest. It is also possible to retard one system to perform worse than it should by incorrectly setting memory, driver settings or taking advantage of known oversights like DDR800 memeory with 6-5-5-x timing at 200FSB. As we know you cannot increase badnwidth without increasing bus speed.

I have not seen the doc but you will see my Yonah motherboard also uses the 950GMA graphics, meaning a, it is released and purchasable by public in large qualtities off the shelf possibly at your local electronics store nearby. Clock for clock, anything a64 is beaten, thermal advantages amd had are gone, and priced nearly at half.

This was my point on the 950GMA mention in the article, I do know what that is and where its found. If you looked at my Yonah article you would see it is on the new Apple Imac that is Yonah based.
 
Depends on the benchmarks you pick on how much EE vs FX will win to be honest. It is also possible to retard one system to perform worse than it should by incorrectly setting memory, driver settings or taking advantage of known oversights like DDR800 memeory with 6-5-5-x timing at 200FSB. As we know you cannot increase badnwidth without increasing bus speed.

I have not seen the doc but you will see my Yonah motherboard also uses the 950GMA graphics, meaning a, it is released and purchasable by public in large qualtities off the shelf possibly at your local electronics store nearby. Clock for clock, anything a64 is beaten, thermal advantages amd had are gone, and priced nearly at half.

This was my point on the 950GMA mention in the article, I do know what that is and where its found. If you looked at my Yonah article you would see it is on the new Apple Imac that is Yonah based.
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Still waiting for these benchmarks buddy....still waiting.....any day now..

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
You suffer from ADD,

Daily Gamer HTPC rig:
Vapochill LS, Chilly1 Xtreme Modded
Intel 955XE ES @ 5.6 (benches at 6.2Ghz)
Asus 975XE P5WD2-E Premium
3GB Micron D9
ATI X1900 XTX Crossfire
ATI HDTV Wonder
Gigabyte I-Ram 4GB
Logitech THX High Definition Audio
2x 250GB WD SATA2 RAID 0
Athena 850W PSU

#2 955XE
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85757

#1 Bandwidth
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68511

#1 Aquamark
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89756
 
Its not about money spent as both AMD and Intel supply me processors as well as many of my other sponsors.

I run the best possible, I run Intel.

BTW, I have so many barn burners here on THGF :twisted:
 
thats the point! Where is the proof. Its one thing to claim something and then back it up, its another to claim something and not provide proof. Anyone with a college, hell a high school degree learned that saying something is without showing your reference isn't proving anything at all. Mike, Hergie, and all the other proponents of AMD have shown their proof. I have hardly seen one reference from any Intel guy in this thread.
 
You suffer from ADD,

Daily Gamer HTPC rig:
Vapochill LS, Chilly1 Xtreme Modded
Intel 955XE ES @ 5.6 (benches at 6.2Ghz)
Asus 975XE P5WD2-E Premium
3GB Micron D9
ATI X1900 XTX Crossfire
ATI HDTV Wonder
Gigabyte I-Ram 4GB
Logitech THX High Definition Audio
2x 250GB WD SATA2 RAID 0
Athena 850W PSU

#2 955XE
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85757

#1 Bandwidth
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68511

#1 Aquamark
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89756
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And you suffer from Enlarged Ego and Arrogance.

1) That doesn't show me a benchmark, it shows how fast a 955XE Overclocked can handle SuperPI. Are you special? No.

2) That's bandwidth attained from DDR2, I've gotten over 8.6GB/s on DDR1, that shows me nothing but how good the RAM is.

3) Aquamark is a synthetic benchmark, and I said I don't count synthetic because they are useless

I am still waiting for benchmarks proving ANYTHING you've said.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
You suffer from ADD,

Daily Gamer HTPC rig:
Vapochill LS, Chilly1 Xtreme Modded
Intel 955XE ES @ 5.6 (benches at 6.2Ghz)
Asus 975XE P5WD2-E Premium
3GB Micron D9
ATI X1900 XTX Crossfire
ATI HDTV Wonder
Gigabyte I-Ram 4GB
Logitech THX High Definition Audio
2x 250GB WD SATA2 RAID 0
Athena 850W PSU

#2 955XE
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85757

#1 Bandwidth
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68511

#1 Aquamark
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89756
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I don't see any thing but a test with one system. You arent even comparing your really fast ocing to anything but your own tests...
 
Depends on the benchmarks you pick on how much EE vs FX will win to be honest. It is also possible to retard one system to perform worse than it should by incorrectly setting memory, driver settings or taking advantage of known oversights like DDR800 memeory with 6-5-5-x timing at 200FSB. As we know you cannot increase badnwidth without increasing bus speed.

I have not seen the doc but you will see my Yonah motherboard also uses the 950GMA graphics, meaning a, it is released and purchasable by public in large qualtities off the shelf possibly at your local electronics store nearby. Clock for clock, anything a64 is beaten, thermal advantages amd had are gone, and priced nearly at half.

This was my point on the 950GMA mention in the article, I do know what that is and where its found. If you looked at my Yonah article you would see it is on the new Apple Imac that is Yonah based.
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Please don't bring Apple Intel implementations into this, as it will only make things worse :lol: Besides, I am pretty sick of Apple's hipocrasy at the moment.

Obviously benchmarks can be, and are, skewed from the start often times. However, I still haven't seen you post any proof of your argument. You continually post your OCed system specs, but they have nothing to do with a comparison of the two at stock. I hevn't really seen any Windows based Yonah benchmarks that are a comparison yet, wanna post some??
 
Well, lets see your dual core or FX 60.

I can run just about anything you name right now.

You asked for benchmarks and I cant just post anything can I?? well WTF do you want? I cant read your mind and nothing else can apease your lameness. Please oh great piece of forum tardation tell me what to run...



ROFL...
 
Well, lets see your dual core or FX 60.

I can run just about anything you name right now.

You asked for benchmarks and I cant just post anything can I?? well WTF do you want? I cant read your mind and nothing else can apease your lameness. Please oh great piece of forum tardation tell me what to run...



ROFL...
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If you don't know what benchmarks to run, you have something wrong with you. Look on what Tom's runs, minus the Mem bandwidth and Synthetic benches, and you're left with 4 or 5 worthy benchmarks.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
Well, lets see your dual core or FX 60.

I can run just about anything you name right now.

You asked for benchmarks and I cant just post anything can I?? well WTF do you want? I cant read your mind and nothing else can apease your lameness. Please oh great piece of forum tardation tell me what to run...

ROFL...
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If you can run anything we name right now, why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK, and post a comparison of the results (whther they agree with your arguement or not). That would be an unbiased benchmark comparison. You don't need to reads our minds to think of that.

A benchmark is useless for comparing systems of there is only one system in it.
 
Sure thing, but as you guys keep adding things in "why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK" that if I would have been running stuff it would have been wasted time.

Ive seen this behavior before, even if did run at stock you guys would find anything else to pick at.

jumping through hoops sounds like so much fun.
 
Sure thing, but as you guys keep adding things in "why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK" that if I would have been running stuff it would have been wasted time.

Ive seen this behavior before, even if did run at stock you guys would find anything else to pick at.

jumping through hoops sounds like so much fun.
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I have nothing to pick at, and am not starting trouble. You are making cliams and I would like to see evidence is all. Get it from the internet, make it yourself, whatever. If you want me to run a benckmark on my A643800+, or Pentium M 1.86 laptop, I will, but I knwo they are crap. That's why I didnt claim they were better than anything else. you did, we are just asking you to back it up.

Refusing to provide evidence on the grounds of not jumping through hoops is a pretty thin argument. Like I said, I like people to provide some kind of evidence that one is better than the other.
 
Sure thing, but as you guys keep adding things in "why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK" that if I would have been running stuff it would have been wasted time.

Ive seen this behavior before, even if did run at stock you guys would find anything else to pick at.

jumping through hoops sounds like so much fun.
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Only stock tests prove a CPU's performance, taking a 5GHz P4 Overclock to an FX-60 is just retarded, of course the FX-60 wll get beat, but put the FX-60 to 3.5GHz or more, and that's a more realistic test. Stock test the 955XE vs. the FX-60, I bet more than once the FX-60 will come out the victor.

EDIT: I saw you mentioned something about Memory bandwidth and timings. Since you may be a "master" of overclocking, I doubt you know anything about the physical aspects of computers. There are 2 things in RAM that hinder performance when referring to RAM Timings, The Row Precharge time (# of Clock Cycles it takes to Close a Row and Open another) and Row Address Strobe (# of Clock Cycles it takes to access the data in a given Row and how long it takes from the Precharge Comand) also called Active to Precharge Delay. In Lamens: Changing the last 2 #'s (x-x-X-X) can increase performance dramatically in some RAM.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
Sure thing, but as you guys keep adding things in "why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK" that if I would have been running stuff it would have been wasted time.

Ive seen this behavior before, even if did run at stock you guys would find anything else to pick at.

jumping through hoops sounds like so much fun.
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Only stock tests prove a CPU's performance, taking a 5GHz P4 Overclock to an FX-60 is just retarded, of course the FX-60 wll get beat, but put the FX-60 to 3.5GHz or more, and that's a more realistic test. Stock test the 955XE vs. the FX-60, I bet more than once the FX-60 will come out the victor.

EDIT: I saw you mentioned something about Memory bandwidth and timings. Since you may be a "master" of overclocking, I doubt you know anything about the physical aspects of computers. There are 2 things in RAM that hinder performance when referring to RAM Timings, The Row Precharge time (# of Clock Cycles it takes to Close a Row and Open another) and Row Address Strobe (# of Clock Cycles it takes to access the data in a given Row and how long it takes from the Precharge Comand) also called Active to Precharge Delay. In Lamens: Changing the last 2 #'s (x-x-X-X) can increase performance dramatically in some RAM.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

I completely forgot, THGF is computing 101. My bad.

VGA stands for video graphics adapter right? I should call you to help me fix my mouse ball.
 
Sure thing, but as you guys keep adding things in "why don't you run a few systems AT STOCK" that if I would have been running stuff it would have been wasted time.

Ive seen this behavior before, even if did run at stock you guys would find anything else to pick at.

jumping through hoops sounds like so much fun.
Click to expand...

Only stock tests prove a CPU's performance, taking a 5GHz P4 Overclock to an FX-60 is just retarded, of course the FX-60 wll get beat, but put the FX-60 to 3.5GHz or more, and that's a more realistic test. Stock test the 955XE vs. the FX-60, I bet more than once the FX-60 will come out the victor.

EDIT: I saw you mentioned something about Memory bandwidth and timings. Since you may be a "master" of overclocking, I doubt you know anything about the physical aspects of computers. There are 2 things in RAM that hinder performance when referring to RAM Timings, The Row Precharge time (# of Clock Cycles it takes to Close a Row and Open another) and Row Address Strobe (# of Clock Cycles it takes to access the data in a given Row and how long it takes from the Precharge Comand) also called Active to Precharge Delay. In Lamens: Changing the last 2 #'s (x-x-X-X) can increase performance dramatically in some RAM.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

I completely forgot, THGF is computing 101. My bad.

VGA stands for video graphics adapter right? I should call you to help me fix my mouse ball.

Obviously you don't know anything other than what your Intel tests show, congratulations.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
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