Intel - stopping poor children from getting computers

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Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all. I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
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and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
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You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.

Uh... That was made by me as the fourth post on the whole topic before you posted anything. So how can I base something I wrote off of a something you wrote before having read anything you wrote? And I don't base my personal opinions off other people's opinions I have my own asshole for that. I still feel that the dude has alot more at stake then what is being shown. Also my opinion.
 
Wow!!! I had no idea what this would evolve into.

Ms. Pandora... here is your box.


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On a side note - I can see the pros and cons of this... weighed against the competing needs of the developing nation.

I'm a little baffled why EACH child needs a laptop... maybe have shared laptops that are kept in the classrooms.

I believe this should be a program focused on emerging countries, not ones in total chaos and civil war.

Just imagine all the educational content "on demand." Plus, imagine teachers/professionals around the globe able to donate downloadable lessons.

Why limit it to just kids? Have evening parent education as well... e.g. farming, micro businesses, water/food safety, other skills.

I think that a school/missionary must control the PCs though, and they should not be "handed" out.
 
On a side note - I can see the pros and cons of this... weighed against the competing needs of the developing nation.

I'm a little baffled why EACH child needs a laptop... maybe have shared laptops that are kept in the classrooms.

I believe this should be a program focused on emerging countries, not ones in total chaos and civil war.

Just imagine all the educational content "on demand." Plus, imagine teachers/professionals around the globe able to donate downloadable lessons.

Why limit it to just kids? Have evening parent education as well... e.g. farming, micro businesses, water/food safety, other skills.

I think that a school/missionary must control the PCs though, and they should not be "handed" out.
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Actually, I'd offer those laptops everywhere I could, if the distributor's life isn't in immediate danger. It may be that in some countries, only knowledge and information might give a hope to end endless war.
 
That would be the case if this hadn't decayed down to another AMD Vs Intel battle and how absolutely evil Intel is and how they secretly work for Satan and making money is the greatest of great evils.

what the hell is wrong with making money????? and you must like making money as you are using a pc and are on this forum so either you or YOUR PARENTS like making money.
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I'm all about money my friend I think you missed the sarcasim in my post. This was directed towards the people who think big box companies and money = evil.
 
Actually, I'd offer those laptops everywhere I could, if the distributor's life isn't in immediate danger. It may be that in some countries, only knowledge and information might give a hope to end endless war.

Imagine if a child soldier, who has been brainwashed to kill (read any bio from a former child soldier, like that one in the NYtimes magazine a few months back) -- is chatting on his OLPC laptop to a stranger who turns out to be a child soldier on the other side......

I wonder if he'll still shoot-to-kill.... I doubt it.
 
usually violence exist when the community is too poor to sustain itself.

This would really be great for

Schools in our country 10-20 per school would be great already. Is Philippines participating in these?
 
There are massive poor communities in Asia for decades. Yes, there are areas of violence, but if you seek out more info, you'll learn of huge areas of lengthy peace and poverty. Violence usually needs the idea of Enemy. It needs thinking of other people as evil, etc. That's harder to do when you have knowledge of them, and internet chatting, etc.
 
Flasher, I'm from one of these poor countires. Not in Africa, its in the Carribean, but a poor one none the less. I support both Negroponte and Intel in their endevours to bridge the digital divide, but before we can just go handing out laptops, we need to establish more that just an electronic infrastructure, we need to get people food and the jobs that compliment them.
 
Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all. I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
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and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
Click to expand...
You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.

Uh... That was made by me as the fourth post on the whole topic before you posted anything. So how can I base something I wrote off of a something you wrote before having read anything you wrote? And I don't base my personal opinions off other people's opinions I have my own ******* for that. I still feel that the dude has alot more at stake then what is being shown. Also my opinion.

First of all I have no idea what you are talking about. Find any of my posts directed at you...right there are none. Then find the post by me directed at you that charges you with basing what you wrote from something I wrote...right again it doesn't exist. My post was to Chunkymonster relating to his understanding of "nonprofit", I was only using your quote for context in relation to his response. If you will note he was responding to you. Before you go off on some non sequitur rant, try reading the posts carefully.
 
I'm a little baffled why EACH child needs a laptop... maybe have shared laptops that are kept in the classrooms.

I believe this should be a program focused on emerging countries, not ones in total chaos and civil war.
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These are actually both addressed on the website... www.laptop.org
 
Re that a "laptop is the last thing these children need", let me point out simply that I don't want you making my life decisions for me.

And an individual 12 yr old child somewhere, regardless of where, does not want you to come in and make their life decisions for them. They might need some help, but it isn't up to you to choose whether an individual gets an opportunity to move up in the world via computers. It's up to them.

This is a "paternalistic" attitude -- that you know best, and other people are to follow your decisions!

Stop confusing two different issues together. They can use food and computers (if they want), just like you and I!
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Okay, here's a solution to your opinion. Say to them(each child)..."you can have this laptop, or you can have $130/$170 or W/E amount worth of food/medicine, etc." There...they get to decide. I kind of think that a lot will choose the food. :wink:
 
A brutal choice, and not one we should present to them. One of the criticisms of the old style of food aid before recent times was that it only created dependency, without a way out of poverty.

I don't suggest no modern style of aid. It's often very beneficial! I suggest this OLPC be done regardless of the other situations, like war, chaos, malnutrition, etc. The human brain doesn't stop. Give it something good to do, something better than anger and hate, etc.
 
I don't suggest no modern style of aid. It's often very beneficial!
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Ok I've got to ask, just exactly what you trying to say here :?: To say that these two sentences make absolutely no sense whatsoever, is an understatement. :roll:
 
Actually, I don't care whether any free laptops are given out or whether Intel helps or hurts this effort. And when I say don't care I mean not at all. I was simply responding to your initial comment because it was clear that you had no idea what you were talking about Not-for-profit companies only recoup enough to cover expenses.
Click to expand...
and that was in response to a post that stated
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he wants to be the one in the limelight. Or he's catching some major kickbacks from people to do it and is worrying about his honeydew pot drying out.
Click to expand...
You don't know whether Negroponte has a personal financial stake in this endeavor so don't act like you do. It's the "expenses" that would be in question. I am not implying anything, I am just pointing out that it is naive to make the statement that you made above. Apparently you only read enough of my post to formulate your response.

Uh... That was made by me as the fourth post on the whole topic before you posted anything. So how can I base something I wrote off of a something you wrote before having read anything you wrote? And I don't base my personal opinions off other people's opinions I have my own ******* for that. I still feel that the dude has alot more at stake then what is being shown. Also my opinion.

First of all I have no idea what you are talking about. Find any of my posts directed at you...right there are none. Then find the post by me directed at you that charges you with basing what you wrote from something I wrote...right again it doesn't exist. My post was to Chunkymonster relating to his understanding of "nonprofit", I was only using your quote for context in relation to his response. If you will note he was responding to you. Before you go off on some non sequitur rant, try reading the posts carefully.

Well, thank God for that at least I was beginning to think all these postings had driven you insane or something. As far as your post it seemed to fit with what I had said. My bad for thinking you were talking to me but I hope you can see where I thought you were talking to me if not oh well.
 
I'm a little baffled why EACH child needs a laptop... maybe have shared laptops that are kept in the classrooms.

I believe this should be a program focused on emerging countries, not ones in total chaos and civil war.
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These are actually both addressed on the website... www.laptop.org

Can you provide quotes... the website kinda blows... couldn't find the information you were referring to.
 
I don't suggest no modern style of aid. It's often very beneficial!
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Ok I've got to ask, just exactly what you trying to say here :?: To say that these two sentences make absolutely no sense whatsoever, is an understatement. :roll:

I think you're falling into that arguing thing of either-or. It's either A or B, like they are two sides of an argument.

This one is definitely a both-and.

Both aid and free laptops will help a lot.

Since the OLPC is independent/seperate of mainstream aid organizations, there is no need to consider mainstream aid in making OLPC decisions. Mainstream aid organizations will do their jobs. OLPC hopefully will get to do it's goals.
 
I don't suggest no modern style of aid. It's often very beneficial!
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Ok I've got to ask, just exactly what you trying to say here :?: To say that these two sentences make absolutely no sense whatsoever, is an understatement. :roll:

I think you're falling into that arguing thing of either-or. It's either A or B, like they are two sides of an argument.

This one is definitely a both-and.

Both aid and free laptops will help a lot.

Since the OLPC is independent/seperate of mainstream aid organizations, there is no need to consider mainstream aid in making OLPC decisions. Mainstream aid organizations will do their jobs. OLPC hopefully will get to do it's goals.

No that's not it, I simply have no idea what you are trying to say by those two sentences. They contradict each other. Let me show you my line of thought.
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I don't suggest no modern style of aid.
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That one is easy, you don't suggest any modern style of aid. Ok got it.
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It's often very beneficial!
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Here is where I have some trouble. Are you saying that you don't suggest any modern style of aid because it's beneficial, or in spite of it being very beneficial? Now you see my quandary, Why would anyone not suggest a style of aid that they thought was beneficial? The logic simply doesn't follow.
 
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