Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

Page 107 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
Status
Not open for further replies.


He is testing battery life, but wants to plug in a monitor and someone simulate web browsing to as a test for battery life. But he fails to include the information on the batteries being used in each laptop. This test is far from real world testing(which he admits in the quotes I used), when he decided to plug in a monitor, and not plug in the laptop! Batteries for laptop have different size batteries comprised of cells. These batteries range from ~6-12 cells. 12 cells(generally depending on mAh) being twice the capacity of a 6 cell battery, and thus extremely relevant in determining the power consumption on longevity of a battery in this test unless you already know that Intel has a bigger battery in their laptop, and are purposely limiting test results by not making that fact known. Not releasing the battery information used in this testing makes find this type of testing useless for the point he is trying to make. He uses a monitory to try and isolate power consumption, but fails to do any other more demanding tests other than simulate web browsing. Overall more informative about a possible problems with what I perceive as bias of the reviewer and the site as whole. Real world testing would be using the laptop as the average use would. That is why it's called real world testing. It's not normal for someone to hook up a laptop to a monitor and not plug their laptop in as well.



.

cGdnoyL.png


Here in the US it's either newegg or amazon unless you have a microcenter. Newegg and Amazon are selling the 8700K at the same price while Newegg has much better deals on Ryzen. Is that site you list the only place you can buy CPU's, or are there other major distributors?
 


Europe prices are all over the place, so it's not even a fair comparison. In the USA prices, sometimes, are absolutely different for similar or even same product.

Don't read too deep into what he is saying, since it's anecdotal evidence at best. Also, Microcenter does have a page and you can browse the prices in it as well. I'm sure it will be in-line with the rest of the pages showing prices online.

Cheers!
 
CPU Benchmark

i7 8700K=@16,257

Ryzen 7 1800X=@15,442

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Real user benchmark :http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

Intel will be shipping more processors soon, Intel has notified its customers that it will use an additional assembly and test facility in a bid to improve supply of its latest desktop Coffee Lake processors. The new site has been certified equivalent for the said CPUs, so the finished products will be identical to those that are available today. Prices will start dropping soon.
To assemble and test Coffee Lake dies into actual Core i7/Core i5 processors, Intel has been using its primary assembly and test lines in Malaysia. Binning high-end CPUs is a challenging and time-consuming operation because far not all dies can hit required frequency and TDP. In general, the more silicon you bin, the more higher-end products you can get, but bandwidth of assembly and test lines is relatively limited.

To ensure a continuous supply of the popular six-core Core i7-8700K, Core i7-8700, Core i5-8600K, and Core i5-8400 processors, Intel will adding another assembly and test factory located in Chengdu, China

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12057/intel-to-use-additional-assembly-lines-for-coffee-lake-cpus
 


NY Times is not up to date. Intel is not the world’s largest computer chip manufacturer anymore. That crown belongs now to Samsung.
 


For personal computers it is,,,, Now Samsung’s semiconductor unit brought in $15.8 billion during the latest quarter, surpassing Intel, which reported $14.76 billion in chip sales during the same time period, surpassing intel just by a hair(note samsung sales are based mostly on smartphone chips).. That's why intel is investing 7billion and will be opening a new mega factory in Arizona and bringing more than 3000 new jobs..

As The Associated Press notes, Intel had been the leading semiconductor company by sales since 1992. But as sales of personal computers have declined with the rise of smartphones and other mobile devices, Samsung’s chip business has benefited.. Intel still first on PC, Servers and high power chips. Consumers in China are buying up mobile devices faster than ever, and that means companies can charge more for the chips in those phones. If memory prices falter, Samsung could fall behind Intel again. If they keep going up, Samsung could leave Intel in the dust.
 
I'm so sick of this thread being derailed by the ridiculous IPC discussion. Who cares which CPU has better IPC and whether it's a 10% gap or a 75% gap in IPC? What matters is real world performance, and, more specifically, real world performance per $$$.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't care how strong your "horses" are. Here's what you're telling me:

I can buy 6 *REALLY STRONG* horses in a bundle package for $400 and hook them up to a compatible wagon that costs $150-200. If those 6 horses pulling that wagon can travel 10 miles in 60 minutes then the figure that matters is the fact that I'm able to go 10 miles in 60 minutes and it will cost me $550-600 to do so.

OR

I can buy 8 weaker horses in a bundle package from a different dealer for $300 and hook them up to a compatible wagon that costs $100-150. If those 8 horses pulling that wagon can travel 9 miles in 60 minutes then the figure that matters is the fact that I'm able to go 9 miles in 60 minutes and it will cost me $400-450 to do so.



Sure, the 6 horse package might be faster. But you tell me what's the better buy: transportation at 10 miles per hours that costs me $550 or transportation at 9 miles per hour that costs me $450?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Moral of the story: Let's stop talking about who "has stronger horses" and focus on real processor NEWS in this thread. An intelligent custom build doesn't even start with "just give me the fastest CPU" anyway. An intelligent build begins with budgeting and determining purpose of the system, followed by logically allocating a percentage of funds to each part, and THEREFORE most builders will find themselves asking the question like this: I have $200-250 allocated to my CPU, so what CPU gives me the best performance at my price point given current prices RIGHT NOW?"
 


A new factory to do what precisely? They meet demand now...why do they need additional lines for volume?

This is the same mistake AMD made by opening not 1, not 2, but 3 fabs when they could have done fine with 1. Chipzilla has the cash reserves to burn $100 notes by the truckload, but doing it while incurring more long term commitment to a new fab is going to be folly.

Even if their AI tech takes off like a rocket (not bloody likely), then they will still have enough production space now. They are trying to sell production space to other companies as we speak and they still meet demand.
 
According to Hardware Unboxed, the 7700K beats the 1400 by ~47% in Hitman, and ~31.5% in Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation, when both are at 4GHz using DDR4-3200.
 


Inproper analogy. The correct analogy would be "I can sometimes hook up eight slower horses, but sometimes I have to send them over one at a time rather then side by side". Software doesn't always scale, that's why FX was junk.
 


To be fair, Tesla is a battery company, not a car company. The cars just exist as a way to drive their battery tech forward.

People don't realize how utterly insane Musk is. He honestly believes Earth is screwed, and everything he's done is to make his dream of a Mars settlement possible. He feels he needs both affordable rocket launches for the masses (Space X), as well as simple, rechargeable power generation for use off-planet (Tesla).

He's a nut, but at least his R&D has benefits here on Earth.
 
he's doing what he wants to do.
maybe he'll incidentally drag some people along for the ride. innovation is moving forward. musk is a smart man.
it was nuts to send a man to the moon, but awesome.
 


Adding more cores or more (weaker horses) is not always a good solution.. That's why IPC is really important, That's why the core i7 with 6 cores beats the Ryzen 7 with 8 and that's why (8 core) FX sucked when competing with a quad core Intel CPU's. . You been a computer enthusiast and saying that you don't care about IPC is like a race car driver saying they don't care if their car has less Power than the rest of the drivers, hint (you'll be last and never win).

For $200-$250 the 6 core i5 8600 is the best value CPU and is actually $199 😉
 


Actually the earth is really screwed and Elon Musk's(really smart) tesla designs and produces their own cars so yeah is a car company, Same with Musk's SpaceX, it produces and designs their own rockets so yeah is a Space Exploration Technologies Corp, is an American aerospace manufacturer and space transport services company .. Most people go to work every day and do their daily routine without knowing that our planet is actually dying, hint (we are killing it),, are you one of them?.. Don't you know that 150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours? And they are never coming back, they are gone for good... Don't you know that the coral reef in the pacific is dying(parts are already dead in australia) and that By 2050, there will be more plastic than fish in the world’s oceans. In The Amazonian Rainforest More than 150 acres lost every minute of every day, and 78 million acres lost every year! More than 20 percent of the Amazon rainforest is already gone, and much more is severely threatened as the destruction continues. It is estimated that the Amazon alone is vanishing at a rate of 20,000 square miles a year, But yeah musk is crazy..
😉

According to world data studies by 2050 the oceans will be dead and The Amazonian Rainforest will be gone

More than 90 percent of world's coral reefs will die by 2050
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/environment-90-percent-coral-reefs-die-2050-climate-change-bleaching-pollution-a7626911.html
National Geographics news Seafood will be gone by 2048
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061102-seafood-threat.html
More plastic than fish in the sea by 2050
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/19/more-plastic-than-fish-in-the-sea-by-2050-warns-ellen-macarthur
Oceans dead by 2048:
http://www.theinertia.com/environment/the-oceans-could-be-dead-by-the-year-2048/
The Great Barrier Reef is dying
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-great-barrier-reef-is-dying-and-global-warming-set-the-scene/2016/12/26/6d669910-bc0b-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.3639f9d5f4b6
Coral reef ghost towns
https://www.popsci.com/el-nino-is-turning-pacific-oceans-coral-reefs-into-ghost-towns
 


1: Extinction is necessary for evolution.

2: Tesla is a battery company that happens to make cars, not the other way around.

3: Musk is nuts in that he thinks Mars is colonizable in the timespan of decades. What should be done is the beginnings of teraforming efforts, which are achievable with current technologies, not wasting time trying to create a self-sufficient Mars colony.
 


1- That's funny 😉

2- Tesla, Inc. is an American automaker, energy storage company, and solar panel manufacturer based in Palo Alto, California. .

3- You fishing and cutting the trees is not the extinction needed for evolution, Extinction is the NATURAL process in which groups of organisms die out. If over an extended period of time the birth rate of a species is less than the death rate, then extinction will eventually occur. Extinction is a NATURAL phenomenon predicted by Darwin in his theory of evolution.. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CALLED MASS EXTERMINATION not extinction.

4- We are going to mars to start a self-sufficient colony because that's the only way to secure human survival. If a giant meteor would hit earth today or start a nuclear war we all die..
 


Oh I know the analogy is flawed. I used that one due in deference to someone else trying to use it earlier. Ah, but you are missing my main point here. It isn't about how strong an individual "horse" is, but rather the discussion should be about how fast you can get your horses and wagon from point A to point B at a given price point. Performance per dollar should be the focus. Intel has corner that market for years and we are now finally starting to see something resembling competition, which is good for everyone, especially those not locked in to a certain brand.
 


I didn't mean to imply that IPC has no value. I'm simply saying I'm tired of everyone focusing on IPC and getting into cat fights over exactly what the percentage difference is in IPC between Intel and AMD. Intel has owned the $200-250 price point for years (which is typically where you find the absolute best bang for buck and right in line with the average enthusiast PC budget). I've built Intel systems for years, and there typically hasn't even been a second thought about whether AMD would be a better option. As an enthusiast, however, I like that AMD is starting to show a glimmer of hope for competition.

I really don't care which brand is best bang at any given price point. As I stated above, my main point is that I'm tired of so much back and forth about exactly how much better IPC any one CPU has over another when you can simply look at performance numbers (in your most common use cases) over dollars and easily figure out which platform is the best buy.
 


YES. those spectators who always comment that whatever is happening is acceptable. let's just say they arent part of the solution. over population combined with badly designed cities. and outdated energy infrastructure. the poor management that hasn't been addressed.
------

as for mars. there are already NASA projects for manned missions to mars.

NASA ARE NUTS!!!!! ; but also there are more important problems to solve on the earth to ensure we have a healthy environment for our children? for ourselves? for all life on the planet? while there are an abundance of intelligent reasonable people on the earth, these people are outnumbered by sheeple who seem hellbent on being as destructive and harmful as possible.

take a look at China. it's environment is trashed. a polluted garbage dump. a model of economic prosperity? disgusting toxic environment - this is what sheeple do. absolute idiots.
 
Intel BX80684I78700K 8th Gen Core i7-8700K Processor
Price: $404.99 Free Shipping for Prime Members

$6 price reduction on amazon for the 8700K.

My 2 cents, Elon Musk is one of the great forward thinking visionaries of our time. ~375 years ago people thought the world was flat, and Galileo proved a world full of people wrong in their thinking. ~75 years ago we created nuclear weapons thanks to Einstein's crazy theories. 64 years ago James Watson and Francis Crick discovered DNA, which holds a timeline of secrets to the origins of life on this planet.. 2017 almost 2018 people are still cynics, and don't believe that anything is possible, but the times are a changing!
 
Intel’s 2018 Roadmap Shows New High-End Cascade Lake-X Debuting Next Year
By Joel Hruska on December 5, 2017 at 7:30 am
2017 has been a banner year for CPU launches. AMD’s Ryzen debut in March kicked off its own aggressive hardware ramp, with the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 families following in the spring and summer, and Raven Ridge debuting in the last few weeks. Intel’s Kaby Lake-X and Skylake-X launched in June, with Skylake-X offering faster performance and higher core counts for the same price than Intel had previously shipped. AMD’s Threadripper debuted in August with 16 cores at the same price as a 10-core Intel CPU (and a significant performance advantage), and Intel’s 18-core Skylake-X Core i9-7980XE retook the performance crown (though not the price/performance ratio) in September. Finally, the Core i7-8700K launched in October and won our top-end CPU recommendation, though the Ryzen 7 1800X is still quite competitive in well-threaded workstation workloads.

After such a strong year, people are understandably curious about what 2018 will hold for Intel and AMD. We know AMD is likely to debut a 12nm variant of Ryzen (Ryzen+), but no details on clocks or details has yet been released about that CPU family. Our money is on fairly modest changes, mostly related to GlobalFoundries improved 14nm process, which they’re marketing as a 12nm node. Intel has released a new roadmap for its own hardware, however, shown below:
Click to expand...
iNTELrOADMAP.jpg

Intel’s new Cascade Lake-X family is rumored to be based on Intel’s 14nm++ architecture, which would offer a modest improvement to speeds or thermals. We wouldn’t expect these gains to be significant in all cases — while the chips can undoubtedly clock up a bit from where they are, it’s far more difficult to increase the all-core boost clock on an 18-core CPU than on a quad-core or six-core chip. This chart also implies that Kaby Lake-X is going away after Cascade Lake, which honestly isn’t surprising. Kaby Lake-X felt like an afterthought, something Intel tacked on to its X299 platform with a significant number of caveats, like only having half its RAM slots available when using a Kaby Lake-X CPU. Once the Core i7-8700K came out, KBL-X didn’t make any sense.

Coffee Lake will continue to drive Intel’s mainstream throughout all of 2018, with new six, four, and dual-core CPUs rounding out the product family. We’ve seen rumors of new chipsets, and the use of the generic “300-series” chipset as opposed to Z370 supports that rumor, but there’s no word yet on whether these will be more budget offerings (which is what we expect) or if Intel will launch something higher-end. Atom CPUs are transitioning from Apollo Lake to Gemini Lake, and it looks like Gemini Lake breaks from Intel’s previous tradition, in that it’s neither a process shrink (which is what we’d expect under the old tick-tock model) nor simply a clock optimization/increase (which is what we’d expect under PAO).
Click to expand...
Gemini-Lake-Block-Diagram.jpg

Gemini Lake, according to an analysis of the Linux patches added to support it, has a four-wide pipeline instead of three-wide, supports native HDMI 2.0, VP9 hardware decoding, DisplayPort 1.2a (which includes support for FreeSync technology), and a 10 to 15 percent overall performance uplift within the same power envelope. It may even contain an integrated 802.11ac modem, in a major first for an Intel SoC. Collectively, these are a fair number of improvements to Intel’s budget processor, and they suggest Intel’s Atom family will see a fair performance improvement in 2018.

Ultimately, we’re not surprised to see CPU roadmaps without huge changes for next year. Intel and AMD have both introduced some significant new products in 2017, and the CPU market moves slower than it used to thanks to significant headwinds in chip design and process technology.
Click to expand...
 
Qualcomm invades Intel's turf with Snapdragon PCs that push battery life over performance
Qualcomm showed Snapdragon PCs from Asus and HP that promise two-day battery life and always-on connections.
By Mark Hachman
Senior Editor, PCWorld | DEC 5, 2017 3:33 PM PT
qualcomm_snapdragon_835_mobile_pc_platform-100743611-large.jpg

Qualcomm is invading Intel’s turf, announcing Windows PCs that use the same Snapdragon chips as your phone, with battery life that can last well into a second day of use.

On Tuesday at its Snapdragon Technology Forum, Qualcomm showed off its Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform on a HP Envy x2 tablet and an Asus NovaGo ultrabook. (A third PC, from Lenovo, will be announced at CES in Las Vegas.) Both run on the company’s Snapdragon 835—yes, the same processor (and cellular modem) inside popular phones like the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.
Qualcomm uses its success with smartphones to justify its foray into PCs. You demand all-day performance from your phone, while it’s constantly connected to the Internet. Why shouldn’t your PC deliver the same?

Let’s clear up one concern right away: Qualcomm’s Windows PCs are running Windows 10, not the abandoned Windows RT variant that only ran Microsoft’s UWP apps. However, these PCs emulate non-UWP apps, slowing performance. Qualcomm hopes you’ll be willing to trade some speed for the promise that the Snapdragon Mobile PC platform will deliver 14 to 24 hours of constant use, interspersed with idle periods of “connected standby” time.

What this will mean for you: At some point, the performance of your phone, tablet or PC exceeds your demands—what we call “good-enough” computing. Qualcomm’s betting we’re already there, at least for a chunk of potential users, and it’s focusing on basic productivity, always-on (cellular) connectivity, and battery life.

Many questions hang in the air: Is “good-enough” computing good enough for you? How well does a Snapdragon PC perform on everyday apps that are emulated, such as Google Chrome? How close to reality are these battery life claims? Will customers want to pay for an additional cellular plan? If Qualcomm can deliver on its claims and offer (affordable) always-on WWAN connectivity, a little competition for Intel is always good news for consumers.
Click to expand...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom