Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[de5_Roy]

intel woulda gotten away with contra revenue in china, if it hadn't been for meddling mediatek
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34548-intel-and-mediatek-gaining-traction-in-china

Internal Intel chart confirms May 11 release date for Haswell refresh
http://vr-zone.com/articles/internal-intel-charts-confirm-may-11-release-date-haswell-refresh/76279.html
very late edit: the same article has june 2, 2014 as devil's canyon cpus' release date.
Asus’ Z97 motherboard series revealed on Weibo
http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-z97-motherboard-series-revealed-weibo/76268.html
is it gold? is it desert themed? is it still fussy about rams?

TSMC’s 20nm follies could be making a market for Intel
http://vr-zone.com/articles/tsmcs-20nm-follies-making-market-intel/76356.html

edit2:
z97 motherboards get listed and early-priced
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7986/z97-motherboards-listed-now-in-usa-taiwan-and-eu

edit3:

New details on Intel’s ‘Skylake’ revealed
http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-details-intels-skylake-revealed/76848.html

 

[de5_Roy]

tweaktown previews core i7 4790. waaat...!
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6319/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-refresh-cpu-and-z97-performance-preview/index.html
very uhm...not interesting. except the part where the cpu is incapable of using turbo multi-based partial overclocking since intel removed that feature from haswell cpus. D:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6319/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-refresh-cpu-and-z97-performance-preview/index2.html
i wonder how multicore/enhanced turbo will work with the new cpus....

 

[Cazalan]

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6319/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-refresh-cpu-and-z97-performance-preview/index2.html
i wonder how multicore/enhanced turbo will work with the new cpus....

Judging by the temps it looks like the new TIM is on the refresh parts also, not just the Devil's Canyons versions.

There is a sizable 18c/10c (Idle/Load) difference between 4970 and 4770K.

 

[Cazalan]

New details on Intel’s ‘Skylake’ revealed
http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-details-intels-skylake-revealed/76848.html

If Intel continues the core doubling for each new GT number that would put GT4e at 96 EU.

96 (EU) x 16 (FP/EU) x 1.3 (GHz) = 1997 GFLOPS

Or if the higher 1.6Ghz rumor is true: 2458 GFLOPS

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel integrates high-end PC graphics processors into Xeon server chips
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2152360/intel-integrates-highend-pc-graphics-processors-into-xeon-server-chips.html

If Intel continues the core doubling for each new GT number that would put GT4e at 96 EU.

96 (EU) x 16 (FP/EU) x 1.3 (GHz) = 1997 GFLOPS

Or if the higher 1.6Ghz rumor is true: 2458 GFLOPS

that'll really affect the die size. amd's dies are approximately square, while iris pro socs are very rectangular. the edram at the end of the soc die makes the whole thing even more rectangular. i can't imagine gt4e running cool with the increased density and lengthened die and package size. on desktops, it'd alienate majority of the non-oem, 3rd party cpu coolers on the market. it'll also make coolers' bases' orientation very important for proper heat dissipation. on one end (the far end) you have the high performance, highly dense broadwell cpu running 4c/8t with 8 MB L3 cache, using around 40-60w+ on load e.g. gaming/prime95. on the other end you have 96 eus runing at 1.6 GHz, using 128MB EDRAM. there'd be a Lot of heat, lol. i read in gigabyte's brix pro's review that core i7 4770R can hit around 90-100c and sustain it's performance while sacrificing (round-aboutedly admitted by intel) silicon longevity.

 

[Cazalan]

that'll really affect the die size. amd's dies are approximately square, while iris pro socs are very rectangular. the edram at the end of the soc die makes the whole thing even more rectangular. i can't imagine gt4e running cool with the increased density and lengthened die and package size. on desktops, it'd alienate majority of the non-oem, 3rd party cpu coolers on the market. it'll also make coolers' bases' orientation very important for proper heat dissipation. on one end (the far end) you have the high performance, highly dense broadwell cpu running 4c/8t with 8 MB L3 cache, using around 40-60w+ on load e.g. gaming/prime95. on the other end you have 96 eus runing at 1.6 GHz, using 128MB EDRAM. there'd be a Lot of heat, lol. i read in gigabyte's brix pro's review that core i7 4770R can hit around 90-100c and sustain it's performance while sacrificing (round-aboutedly admitted by intel) silicon longevity.

I don't think orientation matters all that much as it will be under the heat spreader. They have a decent shrink going from 22nm to 14nm with roughly 2x density increase. That would put the graphics at around 3/4 of the die, but still smaller than a current GT3e die. It's not like they're modifying the CPU cores that much.

 

[de5_Roy]

http://techreport.com/review/26411/asus-z97-a-motherboard-reviewed
it tested overclocking a 4770k, no temperature chart.

DDR4 memory for desktops expected to arrive in third quarter
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2153060/wait-for-ddr4-memory-on-desktops-to-end-in-third-quarter.html

 

[de5_Roy]

The Intel Haswell Refresh Review: Core i7-4790, i5-4690 and i3-4360 Tested
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7963/the-intel-haswell-refresh-review-core-i7-4790-i5-4690-and-i3-4360-tested
i was oh-so-eagerly waiting for these cpus to come out! they are the best things since sliced bread!

but wait, there is moar. i mean moar reviewz, not more performance or cores.. 😗
http://www.computerbase.de/2014-05/intel-core-i5-4690-i7-4790-test-z87-z97/
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4790_processor_review,1.html
http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000598/

intel xeon e3 1231 v3 review
http://www.computerbase.de/2014-05/intel-xeon-e3-1231-v3-nachfolger-1230-test/

intel [REDACTED DUE TO NDA AS SEEN ON THE INTERNETS]-series chipset overview
http://techreport.com/review/26443/this-is-intel-9-series-chipset

edit:
devil's canyon clockrate revealed?
http://www.techpowerup.com/200725/intel-devils-canyon-to-usher-in-5-ghz-on-air-overclocking-era.html
core i7 4790k - 4.0 GHz base, 4.4 turbo,
core i5 4690k - 3.5, 3.9.
both at 88w tdp. these chips are definitely binned considering general haswell o.c. clockrates. with better t.i.m., these may actually hit the magical number. although i expect heat generation to ramp up sharply after 4.5 ghz on all cores. in addition to that.. intel might charge "extra" for better packaging and binning. i am scared to imagine how much "extra"... 😗

edit 2:
intel wants you to buy haswell-e for pcie 3.0 because they want to push iris pro in mainstream desktops (by snipping off pcie 3.0 support)
http://vr-zone.com/articles/computex-will-show-desktop-alive-well/77282.html

 

[ctbaars]

Well, _Roy, Is v3 really that important anyway? And really, is the refresh necessary? Just more of the 5%-10% increase for the same price. Which is okay; I don't knock it, be happy.

 

[de5_Roy]

Well, _Roy, Is v3 really that important anyway? And really, is the refresh necessary? Just more of the 5%-10% increase for the same price. Which is okay; I don't knock it, be happy.

that's how intel releases cpus. lga 1150 xeons accompany lga 1150 desktop cpus. they follow yearly refresh cadence. as usual intel tries to pursuade people to buy their latest products. lately, lga 11xx xeons gained reputation for being a bit cheaper than desktop core i7 cpus i.e. full cache and ht support along with full virtualization (for those xeons) at a cheaper price since intel disables vt-d support in pricier, unlocked core i7 cpus.
the refresh is more important to oems than it is to customers. if you have a core i5/i7 sandy bridge or later cpu, or even lga1156 core i5/i7, these won't get you a lot of performance. but oems refresh their pcs regularly and they want fresh new parts to show off and get people to buy them. moreover, intel's refresh cycle is longer this time. broadwell in rumored to come out later this year and in desktop next year. intel acknowledged the teething issues with their 14nm process, which caused the delays. this is why haswell refresh happened. another, less significant bit is that haswell chipsets received a new stepping and new interface support.

 

[de5_Roy]

’I can guarantee Broadwell for holiday’
http://vr-zone.com/articles/can-guarantee-broadwell-holiday/77580.html
JPR: Nvidia, AMD big losers in Q1 2014
http://vr-zone.com/articles/jpr-nvidia-amd-big-losers-q1-2014/77587.html

 

[Joseph DeGarmo]

An i7-4790K with a frequency of up to 4.4 GHz? Yikes! That would make my grandfathered i7 look bad.

 

[Tradesman1]

An i7-4790K with a frequency of up to 4.4 GHz? Yikes! That would make my grandfathered i7 look bad.

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Should be better than that, most of the component manufacturers already have them for testing purposes an they OC a little better than regular Haswell, where 4.6 and higher isn't that unusual for the 4770K

 

[de5_Roy]

devil's canyon rumored pricing

Intel Core i7-4790K, Core i5-4690K and Pentium G3258 Available For Pre-Order – Unlocked Pentium G3258 Specifications Confirmed
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-4790k-4690k-pentium-g3258-preorder-unlocked-pentium-g3258-specifications-confirmed/
doesn't look half bad...well, considering the price stagnation and intel's pricing schemes.. gonna wait for retail prices after launch.

 

[Cazalan]

doesn't look half bad...well, considering the price stagnation and intel's pricing schemes.. gonna wait for retail prices after launch.

I was expecting higher. Will have to see how this magical TIM performs first though. 😉

 

[de5_Roy]

I was expecting higher. Will have to see how this magical TIM performs first though. 😉

i was, too. i was expecting the core i7 to be in $380 range, i5 in $260-270 range, and the pentium in $120-130 range. the d.c. pentium's price is a killer, if it's real or retailers sell it at that price. imagine what will happen once these hit microcenter. mc could repeat the legendary (imo) core i5 2500k's $160 sale.

edit:

But it’s a paper launch
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34809-devil%E2%80%99s-canyon-launch-rumoured-for-computex

edit2:

Broadwell coming this year is a slimmed down version
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34824-broadwell-coming-this-year-is-a-slimmed-down-version

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" Processor Lineup Detailed
http://www.techpowerup.com/201243/intel-core-i7-haswell-e-processor-lineup-detailed.html
hex core cpu with 24 pcie 3.0 lanes for around $400. WUT. calling it LONG OVERDUE would be understatement of the last 5 years. of suffering.

take a gander at the new adata xpg ddr4 ram
http://www.techpowerup.com/201248/adatas-next-generation-xpg-memory-modules-detailed.html

if you have way too much free time, why not count transistors for lulz?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhandy/2014/05/26/how-many-transistors-have-ever-shipped/

Intel’s ‘Paradise Lost’
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intels-paradise-lost/77965.html
well played, asus.

 

[Cazalan]

Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" Processor Lineup Detailed
http://www.techpowerup.com/201243/intel-core-i7-haswell-e-processor-lineup-detailed.html
hex core cpu with 24 pcie 3.0 lanes for around $400. WUT. calling it LONG OVERDUE would be understatement of the last 5 years. of suffering.

Quad-DDR4 for under $400. Not bad at all.

Now they're saying Broadwell/Skylake (desktop) launches will overlap in Q2 2015. Interesting.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014052601_Intel_Skylake_desktop_CPUs_to_launch_in_Q2_2015.html

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel Enters into Strategic Agreement with Rockchip
http://www.techpowerup.com/201258/intel-enters-into-strategic-agreement-with-rockchip.html
i was under the impression that rockchip itself sells arm socs in the entry level markets. intel only has the integrated 3g/lte modem to offer here.
edit:
Intel Partners with Rockchip on new SoC for Chinese tablets
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/05/27/intel-partners-rockchip-new-soc-chinese-tablets/

haswell refresh cpus cause higher system power consumption, and are not necessarily cooler.. on a z87 motherboard:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-haswell-refresh_6.html#sect0

Quad-DDR4 for under $400. Not bad at all.

Now they're saying Broadwell/Skylake (desktop) launches will overlap in Q2 2015. Interesting.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014052601_Intel_Skylake_desktop_CPUs_to_launch_in_Q2_2015.html

let's check the timeline of rumored launches:
in q4: mobile broadwell skus with 2+2, 2 or 4+3/e configuration.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014050101_Intel_Broadwell_graphics_enhancements.html
in q2 2015: dt brw, unlocked skus, lga1150, likely H and Z97 chipsets.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014052001_Preliminary_launch_dates_of_Broadwell_CPUs.html
in h2 2015: dt skylake (skylake-s), lga-packaging, locked skus, 100 series chipset.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014050501_Intel_Skylake_CPUs_to_feature_GT3e_and_GT4e_graphics.html

if i assume intel is "on track with broadwell" per their claims, the timeline leaves a huge hole for mobile skylake skus and accepts delays of skylake's launch. the article's two links to older rumors point to significant upgrades with skylake e.g. 20 pcie 3.0 lanes, dmi 3.0, ddr4 - who on earth will pick brw even if it's unlocked? the possible explanations of overlap could be that -
■ intel will delay skylake dt's launch for unlocked brw.
■ dt brw will have very short shelf life, only to serve as minor upgrade over "haswell refresh". remember the earlier ruckus over snipping off pcie 3.0 support, bga cpus, possible mobocalypse.

 

[Turb0Yoda]

^^^^
Broadwell/Devils Canyon has a smaller die size, therefore a smaller CPU itself, right?
What is all of this Haswell E about. Just better watt to watt performance?

 

[Joseph DeGarmo]

Haswell-E is basically all about extreme 6-core CPUs in high-end builds. They are high-powered 140w CPUs with no integrated graphics.

 

[Turb0Yoda]

Haswell-E is basically all about extreme 6-core CPUs in high-end builds. They are high-powered 140w CPUs with no integrated graphics.

So no i5 5670k 🙁

 

[de5_Roy]

^^^^
Broadwell/Devils Canyon has a smaller die size, therefore a smaller CPU itself, right?
What is all of this Haswell E about. Just better watt to watt performance?

devil's canyon cpus will have the same die size as their respective haswell/refresh counterparts.
broadwell will be fabbed on intel's 14nm node, so it should be smaller and denser than haswell.

haswell-e is different. these are aimed at high end server/workstation and high end desktops. -e cpus have larger dies (compared to mainstream desktop ones), more cores and more pcie lanes.

edit:
from vr-zone chinese. you might need to translate to english or your language.
devil's canyon i5 and i7 cpu-z screenshots. first intel stock 4GHz(base) cpu:
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/114262/intel-devils-canyon-core-i7-4970k-and-core-i5-4690k-cpu-z-show-05272014/
broadwell y series
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/114968/intel-14nm-broadwell-might-use-new-naming-rule-follow-by-three-broadwell-y-series-cpu-name-05302014/

 

[de5_Roy]

one more day till devil's canyon's rumored launch........
i hope to read reviews.....

edit:
Intel’s Devil’s Canyon Processors will Not be Supported on 8th Series Chipset, Pentium Anniversary Will Be
http://wccftech.com/intel-devils-canyon-not-supported-8-series-pentium-anniversary/

edit2:
At Computex, Intel's 'Moorefield' and 'Broadwell' chips span Android and Windows
http://www.cnet.com/news/at-computex-intels-moorefield-and-broadwell-chips-span-android-and-windows/

edit3:
Broadwell expected at Computex
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34880-broadwell-expected-at-computex

 

[Cazalan]

Dual Intel Haswell-EP Xeon E5-2699 V3 benchmark
http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-ep-xeon-e52699-v3-18-cores-benched-haswellep-xeon-e5-cpus-spotted-retail/

3269 (Single-Core) and 70291 (Multi-Core)

Geekbench is a bit of a joke but still. Will be nice to see what Quad channel DDR4 can do.