Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[synario]

So i know this is all speculative, but could somebody tell me how big of a jump it will be from the current 4th gen to "skylake" that I keep hearing about?

is that the next cpu in line to be released in a month?

would it be closer to being like the leap to sandy bridge (massive) or the leap from 3rd gen to 4th gen (tiny)?

I'm sure its probably somewhere in between right?

 

[fudgecakes99]

I'd say depends on your cpu. I have an i7 870 from 2010 i expect at least a 50% performance boost by switching. So for me it's a big leap in the grander scheme of things no it's not maybe 10-15%? Not sure.

 

[jdwii]

So i know this is all speculative, but could somebody tell me how big of a jump it will be from the current 4th gen to "skylake" that I keep hearing about?

is that the next cpu in line to be released in a month?

would it be closer to being like the leap to sandy bridge (massive) or the leap from 3rd gen to 4th gen (tiny)?

I'm sure its probably somewhere in between right?

IPC will go up 5-10% at best i bet everything on that as for the IGPU i expect a 15-20% boost. No reason to wait if you want a new build today

 

[jdwii]

I'd say depends on your cpu. I have an i7 870 from 2010 i expect at least a 50% performance boost by switching. So for me it's a big leap in the grander scheme of things no it's not maybe 10-15%? Not sure.

50% boost in what? Maybe if you get the 6 or 8 core version but if you expect this from the same amount of cores then i'll be first to say i'm sorry. From the 870 id suspect a 15% boost in IPC.

 

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[Alpha3031]

I'd say depends on your cpu. I have an i7 870 from 2010 i expect at least a 50% performance boost by switching. So for me it's a big leap in the grander scheme of things no it's not maybe 10-15%? Not sure.

50% boost in what? Maybe if you get the 6 or 8 core version but if you expect this from the same amount of cores then i'll be first to say i'm sorry. From the 870 id suspect a 15% boost in IPC.

50% in throughput would be the obvious answer. Heck, even Haswell already has 50% single threaded throughput increase, according to CPU world. http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/465/Intel_Core_i7_i7-4770K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-870.html

IPC boost is already around 40% too: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/2

I'd expect definitely at least 50% throughput from Nehalem.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Well its all relative really, depends what you're upgrading from. Some people can justify upgrading every tick tock, i guess it just depends on your perspective.

 

[cemerian]

I'd say depends on your cpu. I have an i7 870 from 2010 i expect at least a 50% performance boost by switching. So for me it's a big leap in the grander scheme of things no it's not maybe 10-15%? Not sure.

50% boost in what? Maybe if you get the 6 or 8 core version but if you expect this from the same amount of cores then i'll be first to say i'm sorry. From the 870 id suspect a 15% boost in IPC.

50% in throughput would be the obvious answer. Heck, even Haswell already has 50% single threaded throughput increase, according to CPU world. http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/465/Intel_Core_i7_i7-4770K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-870.html

IPC boost is already around 40% too: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/2

I'd expect definitely at least 50% throughput from Nehalem.

"From Nehalem, we have a total 28% raise in clock-for-clock performance", not 40%

 

[fudgecakes99]

To be fair those are all just haswell refreshes not skylake coupled with the fact i'm not jumping from an extreme processor to an extreme processor i'd imagine the performance boost to be at least in the high 30's overall, but single core performance is definitely 50% plus

 

[synario]

Guys obviously I'm referring to the leap from a 4th gen model, to the same 6th gen skylake model.

So, if the jump at most is gonna be 5-10 prc, then its not worth the wait if I'm building a pc today.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Guys obviously I'm referring to the leap from a 4th gen model, to the same 6th gen skylake model.

So, if the jump at most is gonna be 5-10 prc, then its not worth the wait if I'm building a pc today.

Well i mean if it comes out in a month yeah its worth the wait but longer than that no it's not worth the wait.

 

[synario]

damnit...

So...any current motherboard that supports an i5 4690k won't support skylake?

That sucks.

I guess I just have to hope that an i5 4690k wouldn't bottleneck any 'current' GPU I get for the next...5 years?

so, assuming i Have, say, 12gb ram, a VERY good PSU, and a i5 4690k, then the ONLY part of the computer I'd need to upgrade in the 5 yrs would BE the GPU.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Depends no cpu really "bottle necks" The gpu sure you'll get less performance if you have an extremly old cpu, but it'll still function as it is i'm running a 2009 nehalem cpu with a 980 ti, no bottleneck i've noticed.

I don't think we'll see a real bottleneck until graphene chips or whatever the next big thing is will be released.

But judging what the possible implications of using graphene would do i don't think that'll be released anytime soon.

 

[synario]

#fudge

Have you tried playing games like space engineers, arma 3?

 

[fudgecakes99]

#fudge

Have you tried playing games like space engineers, arma 3?

No why? Are they optimized for more than 2 cores? For reference i'm playing wolfenstein the old blood. Maxed settings aa at 16x and shadows at 4096. everything else maxed and i'm getting 50+ fps.

 

[Alpha3031]

"From Nehalem, we have a total 28% raise in clock-for-clock performance", not 40%

Right, right. 40% is still throughput.

 

[Cazalan]

If going with Skylake you'd probably want DDR4. It's going to cost more than a comparable Haswell/Broadwell system.

These days it's not just about the processor. My last upgrade I made solely because I wanted more USB 3 ports. Today for future proofing I'd make sure it has a 3.1 port.

 

[logainofhades]

DDR4 prices have been dropping pretty steadily. You can get a 2x4gb kit for prices similar to some DDR3, now.

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Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $64.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[synario]

whats so great about ddr4? and 3.1...

UGGHGHHh!!!!

 

[fudgecakes99]

ddr4 more so in applications that require a lot of ram e.g. photoshop, rendering software, number crunching, and a lot of ram i'm talking at least 32 gigs or more to see a quantifiable difference. 3.1 amount of data you can transfer is a lot higher then previous generation.

 

[logainofhades]

whats so great about ddr4? and 3.1...

UGGHGHHh!!!!

Intel is switching to DDR4, come skylake. Uses less voltage, therefore less power.

 

[synario]

but...ram barely uses any power in the 1st place..

 

[Isaiah4110]

It saves you a couple pennies on your electrical bill... over the course of a year. It also "lowers (by a miniscule amount) your carbon footprint" by using less power which means we won't have anymore global warming.



On a more real level: less power used should mean less heat output from your RAM.

 

[-Fran-]

The practical benefit of DDR4 is not with the first generation of sticks. They need to considerably upper the speed, because for now the power saving "feature" is not enough.

But one of the immediate benefits, in the mid term, is higher bandwidth at the same or lower power.

Cheers!

 

[logainofhades]

but...ram barely uses any power in the 1st place..

But less power, also means better battery life, on the mobile side. You are getting higher ram speeds, but using less power.