Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[Chad Boga]

Whatever slim chance Itanium had of a meaningful future, appears to be over

■Intel has updated the definition of the next generation Itanium® processor, code name “Kittson”. Kittson will be manufactured on Intel’s 32-nm process technology and will be socket compatible with the existing Intel Itanium 9300/9500 platforms, providing customers with performance improvements, investment protection, and a seamless upgrade path for existing systems. The modular development model, which converges on a common Intel® Xeon®/Intel Itanium socket and motherboard, will be evaluated for future implementation opportunities.

So it doesn't look like HP is prepared to pay Intel to develop a 22nm successor to Poulson.

It looks like Kittson will be to Poulson what Montvale was to Montecito, a meaningless new name for the same chip and a pitiful frequency increase.

Where this leaves HP's Itanium based customers in the future will be an interesting fallout to observe.

Presumably HP will want to move them to Xeon based systems, but I wonder how many customers they will lose in the process.

All this will probably come as no great surprise to anyone who has been following Itanium's rocky path for the last few years.

Can't help but think that the encroachment by ARM, simply meant that Intel decided to focus all its efforts on x86, and maybe this was an inevitable consequence anyway, perhaps sped up by 5 or so years.

I wonder when the official announcement of the cessation of Itanium based systems from HP will be made, and if this will have any outcome in the legal wranglings between HP and Oracle.

 

[truegenius]

does anyone have any idea/info/rumors of overclocking of locked haswell cpu like i3 :/ ?

 

[mayankleoboy1]

does anyone have any idea/info/rumors of overclocking of locked haswell cpu like i3 :/ ?

I have heard that Haswell is bringing back the overclocking of Nehalem days, by untying the base clocks from other clocks. So potentially increasing the BCLK will OC the CPU.


/Rumours.

 

[amdfangirl]

Highly unlikely. Unless there's a technical reason, Intel has interests in keeping product segmentation segmented.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

thats why the <rumours> tag 😉

 

[de5_Roy]

Haswell desktop transition significantly slower
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30389-haswell-desktop-transition-significantly-slower
penticide
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30388-21-pentium-processors-die-in-q1

 

[amdfangirl]

I can honesty say that it doesn't deserve to be a rumour, because it is basically impossible.

It's impossible because it's something I've always wanted.

😀

 

[sarinaide]

GT3's performance is as expected, the bigger issue is GT3 is only going to feature on the high end parts which the end user will buy discrete graphics for anyways. I don't understand the line of reasoning behind it. With GT2's performance quite a drop off from GT3 it doesn't quite lend itself to the budget user.

 

[MU_Engineer]

GT3's performance is as expected, the bigger issue is GT3 is only going to feature on the high end parts which the end user will buy discrete graphics for anyways. I don't understand the line of reasoning behind it. With GT2's performance quite a drop off from GT3 it doesn't quite lend itself to the budget user.

I believe it's an attempt to get people who don't want a discrete GPU to pay more for a higher-end CPU with the fully-functional IGP. Think of businesses who don't want one more component than can fail in their machines. Or people making ultra small form factor systems who are space/thermally limited, which again includes many business machines. HTPC users would also apply here.

 

[purple stain]

I thought I read somewhere that they are doing away with the i3 sku.Instead just making a i5 dual core variant.Though that might of been about laptops.

 

[sarinaide]

I believe it's an attempt to get people who don't want a discrete GPU to pay more for a higher-end CPU with the fully-functional IGP. Think of businesses who don't want one more component than can fail in their machines. Or people making ultra small form factor systems who are space/thermally limited, which again includes many business machines. HTPC users would also apply here.

Most businesses in the sense mentioned are not going to need anything really more than HD2500/3000 let alone HD5000, and if the business is graphics design then they will use a multicore CPU with a professional Firepro or Quadro GPU, as to forcing people to buy higher end just to get a iGPU solution which is still weaker than what the competitor offers at a lower cost is just unethical to the core, but it is Intel we are talking about.


GT3 would have served the i3 family well, would have offered enough competition to the APU's to possibly pressure AMD in the budget and HTPC spectrum. It would be nice if we had a low cost intel setup of repore but that seems to be gone out the window. If you do not add a discrete card to an Intel setup it is completely hopeless, adding discrete to a i3 3220 is rendered moot when a FX6300 is the same cost and offers more. It is like you are forced to build a high end Intel setup just to get value for money. This I say in the sense that you want a low cost setup that does more than word processor or excell or quickbooks etc, if you want a fun element to a setup at a target budget Intel offers absolutely nothing. I rarely ever get a person buying a i3, Pentium or i5 under a 3570K, but conversely sell like 20-30 APU's a week, lots of FX6300's and 8350's.

Essentially my point here is that GT3 on the highend parts makes absolutely no sense at all.

I thought I read somewhere that they are doing away with the i3 sku.Instead just making a i5 dual core variant.Though that might of been about laptops.

Wolf in sheeps clothing.

Intel should have the following SKU's i5 standard and k, i7 standard and k and Intel extreme just loose that 3820 abomination, being a i7 990X owner that part makes me cry custard its just so far from extreme.

 

[truegenius]

Essentially my point here is that GT3 on the highend parts makes absolutely no sense at all.

ya mean intel is not showing intel-igence here ! 😉

 

[sarinaide]

It just makes no sense, and the arguement to force people to spend $250 to get a i5 for GT3 is ludicrous if the persons needs are just some iGPU love with a kick. GT3 is slower than 7660D but still a good enough solution for the average Joe that doesn't want a discrete card, but doesn't want to spend a mortgage payment on a CPU either.

 

[Guest]

not surprised some folk will complain about the price . . what igpu comes with a FX-8350 for $210?

 

[sarinaide]

Well the FX8350 is for the most part around $190, the 8320 was as low as $150 recently but the FX parts are there for the enthusiasts who will use a discrete card, the FX6300 is a mere $10 more than a i3 3220 offering more overall value, while a person who wants to run a iGPU setup the A10 5800k is a paultry $110 when looking well. Not to mention the FM2 A85 ATX/MATX/ITX offerings there is the option for a person on skint nothing to get a pretty decent system that can actually play games along with high end features and connectivity provided by chip and platform. with intel you are almost forced into buying a GPU, GT3 for the point of argument would have been best suited to i3's and lower end i5's where the end user may not be a power user but get very acceptable performance.

Bare in mind the argument is not on price its on what you get for your money. GT3 on lower end parts would have remedied this to a fair extent.

 

[Cazalan]

It just makes no sense, and the arguement to force people to spend $250 to get a i5 for GT3 is ludicrous if the persons needs are just some iGPU love with a kick. GT3 is slower than 7660D but still a good enough solution for the average Joe that doesn't want a discrete card, but doesn't want to spend a mortgage payment on a CPU either.

GT3 is their "Extreme Edition" for mobile processors GPU wise. Expect them to be well over $250.

 

[sarinaide]

GT3 will also feature on high end desktop parts followed by GT2 an GT1 variants. As the chip gets cheaper so does the iGPU solution. Right now GT3 has its place in mobility particularly while AMD iGPU mobile solutions remain very basic. The iGPU makes money at the lower price segment where a i5 4570K or i7 4770k is not needed but better integrated graphics is more valuable to the end user.

 

[Guest]

Well the FX8350 is for the most part around $190, the 8320 was as low as $150 recently but the FX parts are there for the enthusiasts who will use a discrete card, the FX6300 is a mere $10 more than a i3 3220 offering more overall value, while a person who wants to run a iGPU setup the A10 5800k is a paultry $110 when looking well. Not to mention the FM2 A85 ATX/MATX/ITX offerings there is the option for a person on skint nothing to get a pretty decent system that can actually play games along with high end features and connectivity provided by chip and platform. with intel you are almost forced into buying a GPU, GT3 for the point of argument would have been best suited to i3's and lower end i5's where the end user may not be a power user but get very acceptable performance.

Bare in mind the argument is not on price its on what you get for your money. GT3 on lower end parts would have remedied this to a fair extent.

you're throwing around a lot of apples and oranges.

the point is; what other offerings are there for an "upper mainstream/enthusiast class" cpu with a decent igpu are out there? sorry but you're just rehashing the now two year old argument that intel only puts the better igpu on the higher end SKUs . . me thinks folks would get over that by now. so intel doesn't focus on the budget market and looking at the last few years in stock prices, i think they know what side of the bread gets the butter . . . so hows that working out for AMD?

and now looking . . .oh mmyyyyyyy.

 

[sarinaide]

Its not good is one of the lines of work is retail, we have basically been left with excess intel i3's and lower end i5's including sandybridge because nothing bellow the $200 mark for Intel sells well. We can sell a fortune on 3570k and 3770k. Again Looniam its just the principle that the lower end segment with GT3 makes more sense than on the 45xx and 47xx family where most will be using high end graphics cards, ie Intel are not selling the GT3 component they are selling the CPU component's performance as no power user will ever use GT3 unless the shiny new GTX780 goes poof.

 

[-Fran-]

Like I've said many times, the only reason I'd want a good iGPU on a mid/high end CPU is because of Lucids Software. Too bad AMD hasn't taken that chance to actually take real advantage of it.

I'll have to wait for HSA to bear fruits I guess.

Cheers!

 

[sarinaide]

Like I've said many times, the only reason I'd want a good iGPU on a mid/high end CPU is because of Lucids Software. Too bad AMD hasn't taken that chance to actually take real advantage of it.

I'll have to wait for HSA to bear fruits I guess.

Cheers!

You do realize that Gigabyte, ASRock and ASUS all have Lucid MVP on the top line A85 and A75 offerings? I believe even Sapphire and Biostar will include it, the only catch up is MSI who only have the A85 GD65 which as we know is their mid level offering. Lucid MVP with the HD7660D is a world of good, even more useful when you don't need the discrete card to just shut it down.

 

[-Fran-]

You do realize that Gigabyte, ASRock and ASUS all have Lucid MVP on the top line A85 and A75 offerings? I believe even Sapphire and Biostar will include it, the only catch up is MSI who only have the A85 GD65 which as we know is their mid level offering. Lucid MVP with the HD7660D is a world of good, even more useful when you don't need the discrete card to just shut it down.

Ah, that's very good to know.

And you really have to see Lucid's MVP thingy working with a discrete card to be impressed by it. I know the 7660D is a good iGPU, but when AMD gets a little better CPU alongside the iGPU, Lucid's thingy is going to be really awesome in AMD+anything.

Cheers!

 

[Guest]

Its not good is one of the lines of work is retail, we have basically been left with excess intel i3's and lower end i5's including sandybridge because nothing bellow the $200 mark for Intel sells well. We can sell a fortune on 3570k and 3770k. Again Looniam its just the principle that the lower end segment with GT3 makes more sense than on the 45xx and 47xx family where most will be using high end graphics cards, ie Intel are not selling the GT3 component they are selling the CPU component's performance as no power user will ever use GT3 unless the shiny new GTX780 goes poof.

you are completely overlooking that there are i3 cpus with the 3000/4000 HD graphics.
(hint: their number ends in a 5)

so i would believe the decision is/was based on past market performance weighed against manufacturing costs. personally, i'd like porche to have a line of budget orientated family vehicles . . .

 

[sarinaide]

But Porsche and Ferrari both have family level SUV's, Sedans and sports cars targeting the average person, both forced to do so.

I know the 3225 has, similarly the older 2320 and 2130(or 2125/2105) had the top end but seemed to never have available SKU's.

 

[Guest]

But Porsche and Ferrari both have family level SUV's, Sedans and sports cars targeting the average person, both forced to do so.

I know the 3225 has, similarly the older 2320 and 2130(or 2125/2105) had the top end but seemed to never have available SKU's.

ok, there you are skewing the point. i said "budget orientated family vehicles". i really would like to see a family of 5 with a dog fit into a cayenne at any price . . . :lol:

and really on a personal note, i am there with you and would like to see the lower end SKUs get a few more bells and whistles. but it is seemingly not economically feasible for intel to provide such a product. and i say that as someone who only took an economics class because it was necessary, which i slept though and passed because of multiple choice exams.

it seems to work for them. so after two years of seeing such, with the release of sandy and intel graphics HD 3000, i have learned to get over it and move on . . . (hint)