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Mainboards for Intel Core i “Haswell” Are Ready: Asrock Set to Demo Intel 8-Series Platforms Next Week.
Asrock to Show Off LGA1150 Mainboards for Intel “Haswell” Processors at CeBIT Trade-Show
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20130301151131_Mainboards_for_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Are_Ready_Asrock_Set_to_Demo_Intel_8_Series_Platforms_Next_Week.html

Report: Intel Having USB 3.0 Problems with Haswell
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-USB-3.0-S3-Sleep-Mode-Tick-Tock-Lynx-Point,21335.html
 
This news isnt much exciting, really.
The pre-release of Z77 boards was more interesting because we had SB procs to put in them and see if the platform has improved performance. Also, it had the latest Virtu software thingy.

The only slightly exciting thing is that we can see how much the VRM is left on the board.
 
i was hoping for problems like gradually degrading dvi port that sends signals like 'the ring' video and creeps out users, or any flash video plays like harlem shake.
it'll stay slow until intel lifts ndas....
 

As someone waiting to build a new computer after Haswell is released, I can say this is the most exciting Haswell news I have read in WEEKS!
 


Becoming proficient at expensive side grades. You kind of know something is wrong when testers with ES samples are talking more about Ivybridge-E rather than Haswell. What I really don't get here is that Broadwell represents another die shrink to 14nm, which existing Socket 1155 cannot support, Haswell should really have been the final architecture for socket 1155.

Well see the intel fans really hate the iGPU discussion, some still harboring thoughts of it matching AMD's if not beating it. Well sadly doubling up doesn't equate to doubling performance. Word out is 25% faster than HD4000 which is not much to write about if a gaming iGPU is in question. It makes more sense in mobility where AMD and Nvidia options are very watered down.
 

you seem to be quite misinformed about haswell.
haswell will support new lga1150 socket, not lga 1155. lga1155 has been dead since ivy bridge came out.
intel is aiming two main things with haswell -
higher performance per watt, to push for more aggressive mobile designs.
further integration of system components.

anyone using intel knows first hand about crappy igpu.
top hd5200 igpu won't be 25% faster than hd4000. it's a different number. and the igpu won't be for gaming.
amd and nvidia's mobile options are not 'very watered' down.
amd has much worse drivers for mobile than they do for desktops. nvidia has better drivers but their sku-ing is very, very convoluted.

 


I never said it was socket 1155 I said why couldn't haswell operate of the Z77 1155 platform instead of opt for a socket change now. Intel have had 3 chipset changes in three releases with a socket change, that is not stability at all. Yet people have the gal to whine about AMD jumping to FM2 out of necessity, other than that the existing SB950 can run Vishera down to Athlon thats stable enough I thinks.

You get this feeling that everytime Intel release a CPU, to get the best you need to spend a lot on full upgrades to your system.
 

intel reasoning is far simpler than amd's - moar moniez. although if you dig deeper, you might find intel's 'technical' explanation for socket changes. :) afaik, from c2q to nehalem it was because of integration of pcie controller and new imc, from nehalem to sb it was because of better/more integrated igpu, imc etc and so on. amd introduced a new socket fm1(and subsequently, fm2) when they integrated pcie controller and a gpu in the apu. they theoretically could have integrated the igpu while keeping the northbridge stuff decoupled from the apu, and coulda launched a new chipset (instead of a new socket/platform) with display outputs.
nowadays, subsequent platform releases are always sidegrades instead of upgrades. there was no significant reason for typical amd users to upgrade from phenom ii to bulldozer, the same as (intel) c2q to first gen quad core 'core' cpus or 1st gen core to sandy/ivy bridge. by the time sb/ivb becomes noticeably slower in general usage (or in gaming) there will be new and incompatible platforms which will warrant new parts instead of upgrades. meanwhile upgrading is more frequent on amd side because it's readily available and amd cpus tend to be slower (e.g. athlon ii x2/x3 to fx6300 or phenom ii to core i5 2500k/3570k), making upgrades more significant.
 
Socket changes are not for 'more monies', it's for new features and to have the most optimal pinouts for accommodating those new features.

Intel makes their money on CPU's, not chipsets. It would be in their interest to maintain sockets if having to abide by a previous socket didn't hold back their new CPU, since users would find it easier to buy a new CPU sooner.
 


Nope, the first rule of every business out there is "because more moniez", and Intel is not the exception of that rule... At all.

Added features and all that are a result of answering this simple question: "what is going to give us more money?".

Nothing wrong in that, but never ever assume companies do it because they care about you. They care about the greenies in your pocket, that's for sure 😛

Cheers!
 


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The only thing it's about is the money... the days of Shockley it was about the technology now it's about milking the cow and not so much about the tech even though it's the effect and the share holders have a lot to do with it.
 
those tens of billions of dollars came from customers who paid for and bought the stuff intel advertised, and the resulting new architecture and new nodes will bring in even moar moniez from customers when they get up and running. the cycle continues.

motherboards for yet-to-be-launched cpu seem boring, but this may not be the case with haswell motherboards.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30657-msi-showcases-z87-motherboard
http://www.techpowerup.com/181027/BIOSTAR-Unveils-a-Trio-of-Socket-LGA1150-Motherboards.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/181026/First-ASRock-Socket-LGA1150-Motherboards-Shown-Off-at-CeBIT.html
intel seems to have an nda over haswell data, yet biostar's mobo has lga1150 printed on the pcb. 😀 all the mobos have vrm.

Why Moore's Law, not mobility, is killing the PC
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030005/why-moores-law-not-mobility-is-killing-the-pc.html


 
It is most certainly about money and clever or manipulating common sense markets into buying new chipsets to make money off them. Performance wise IB is SB with a new name and number identification. Performance wise, slap a IB on a Z68 and you get similar performance to regard 2% a upgrade is almost laughable. The cheaptrick here is Intel couldn't give performance so they manipulated "features" because a SB is unable to use PCIe 3.0, DDR3 speeds above 2133 and a few others through synthetic benchmarketing created the illusion it was better to jump to 70 chipsets and buy a IB processor to boot, but hid it further telling people there SB's will work just not with all the new bells and whistles.

They have spun the wool again this time persuading the buyers to jump to a new socket for a CPU which very easily could have still used the existing 1155 socket probably to make back the billions spent on a fuddy duddy iGPU.

I liken intel to that firebrand closer brought in the bottom of the nineth with sacks full, sure he has the 100mph heater which sits a lot of hitters down, but every now and then the match up is wrong and he is throwing to the clean up who is waiting on that heater knowing its all he has got. It was intel making the claim that the desktop industry is dying, that is further from the truth, what is dying is the idea think tank. the solution so far is lower power, any power desktop user is hardly fretting about a CPU that consumes less than 10% of their systems draw and overclocking... well gee wiz like 4.5ghz is not enough for the psuedo overclocker who cling to the notion that smaller die, less power equates to higher clocks.
 


I'd say Intel are pretty good businessmen. That, and lack of competition kills the consumers.

I liken intel to that firebrand closer brought in the bottom of the nineth with sacks full, sure he has the 100mph heater which sits a lot of hitters down, but every now and then the match up is wrong and he is throwing to the clean up who is waiting on that heater knowing its all he has got. It was intel making the claim that the desktop industry is dying, that is further from the truth, what is dying is the idea think tank. the solution so far is lower power, any power desktop user is hardly fretting about a CPU that consumes less than 10% of their systems draw and overclocking... well gee wiz like 4.5ghz is not enough for the psuedo overclocker who cling to the notion that smaller die, less power equates to higher clocks
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I think that if Intel decides for only one generation that they are going to increase performance, no matter the TDP , then the PC industry will get a big boost.
 
Essentially 3 generations, 3 chipset changes and 1 socket change. It is not lack of competition, there is plenty competition, hell it even prompted Intel to cry foul and proclaim the end of desktop in a fabulous dramatis personae. This lack of competition sounds like something Toms and Anandtech cook up to get hits.

The i5 3570/2500 represent Intels watershed of value, anything below is consumed by its competitors and a 3770k is only feasible if heavy threading is optional. The extreme range is about as pointless as life orientation classes aimed at psuedo tech extremists with rich fathers, as a server setup of workbench it is horribly outclassed by similar price point and purpose build Xeons, kind of a ficticious market with absolutely no value, this is made worse by the 3770K actually beating the 3970X a bit embarrasing. The reason is simple, intels value in the sub $200 is eroding, soon the competition will erode into the $300 market with more diverse and value orientated platforms. Then there is the iGPU war if there ever was one, it is for all intents and purposes over.

I just think Intel are a little out of ideas, SB represented a monumental jump over nahelem, 12% IPC gains a 30% faster IMC and overall around 15% faster across the board. A 2500k was able to run my i7 980x and beat it, that is impressive. Since sandy though IB and Haswell are basically side grades with no performance benefits to warrent so many platform changes. Intel are not exactly moving the goal posts like some want to believe, Haswell is at best 5-7% faster than SB even the IMC is only 5% faster than IB's which is no great shanks at all, this while the competition is improving even though some will try not to believe that.
 
those tens of billions of dollars came from customers who paid for and bought the stuff intel advertised, and the resulting new architecture and new nodes will bring in even moar moniez from customers when they get up and running. the cycle continues.
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People's delusion saying that Intel is not about the money make it sound like they're a charity... as if the $$ invested is coming from the upper echelons pockets. If people quit buying their product, do people actually think they will go on with manufacturing just for the sake of "advancement"? Truth is, if the stock collapses, Intel will do like any other cash cow - close doors and layoff workers. In the end, it's about green backs and not about helping your next door neighbor.

What's so hard to understand about a "for profit" business?
 
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And someone from the AMD thread should understand this too.

There is a disturbing trend to portray AMD as a "non- profit organisation", working for "advancement of the computer industry with harmony of all other companies" , and Intel as the "capitalist bastards, purposely fleecing customers to get money, not supporting the competitors hardware"..
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AMD is no different, but if you trick the gullible that your some altruistic company people will herd to you to fill your coffers. Politicians are no different and use the same scheme. Everyone likes the good guy!
 
intel, amd, nvidia, arm, samsung, via, apple, sony, nintendo, microsoft, google, ouya, oculus (oculus rift) etc. - all businesses, all want our moniez and will stop at nothing to get them.
just because one company gets screwed over more often than the other ones does not mean one is less greedy than the other. none of these are benevolent, enthusiastic, organizations that encourage technological and scientific innovation for the benefit of mankind. that's just an incidental side-effect of making profit.
some brands will take personal approach, so that you feel closer to them, some try to make themselves weak as a wet little kitten so that you pay them (by teh loadz) to keep 'em warm and live. some brands will appear strong and high performing so that you will want to own the high performance hardware (by paying moar). some brand will build cult followings and feed on brand loyalty.
brands being weaker/stronger/bigger/smaller doesn't mean much to us end users. sometimes it's the underdog who takes the more devious way, the customers don't know they 'lost' until they've already paid for stuff. sometimes the top dogs successfully fend off competition by any(un/lawful) means and appear like powerful d-bags. sometimes it's more than one approach, mix and match etc. at the end of all these is just one thing, moniez. they're just businesses that want to make profit, lots of profit. even when they can't make profits, they keep trying. using any means. :) :sol: 😗
 
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