Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[RussK1]

none of these are benevolent, enthusiastic, organizations that encourage technological and scientific innovation for the benefit of mankind. that's just an incidental side-effect of making profit.

Took the words out of my finger tips!

 

[de5_Roy]

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30699-ivy-bridge-e-delayed-to-q4

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57572485-92/laptop-using-future-intel-haswell-chip-surfaces/

 

[Cazalan]

intel, amd, nvidia, arm, samsung, via, apple, sony, nintendo, microsoft, google, ouya, oculus (oculus rift) etc. - all businesses, all want our moniez and will stop at nothing to get them.

That won't change until society gets off their asses and demands a resource based economy, instead of a monetary based economy.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

 

[de5_Roy]

Lynx Point USB 3.0 Controller Issue Correction Needs New Hardware
http://www.techpowerup.com/181269/Lynx-Point-USB-3.0-Controller-Issue-Correction-Needs-New-Hardware.html

seems like it's not a cpu issue. may be that's why intel is so casual about it. calling it 'irritation' is just p.r. b.s. they still need to revise the chipset. unfortunately for intel, there's no unreleased chipset this time around (last time it was z68). usb 3.0 users (moi) will be pissed.

edit: btw i am over 13 yrs old even though people might doubt it, and i agree with the t.o.s.

 

[Isaiah4110]

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30720-haswell-usb-30-issue-requires-hardware-fix

Interesting. So if I'm reading these correctly:

1) You will not experience the issue if you completely disable sleep/hibernation modes. The computer will never go into the S3 (suspend to RAM) sleep mode in this case so it will never be waking from said sleep mode.

2) The issue is with the physical chips of the Z87 and/or Z85 chipsets and not the CPUs.

2) This is a problem with the actual chips themselves. It will take a modification to the physical design of the chipset for it to be resolved. Therefore this will be a problem with all of the first line of Haswell MB purchases will have this completely unfixable flaw. If you want Haswell without this issue then you will either have to wait until the revised chipsets (and motherboards using them) are released or build with the first line and then rebuild with a new motherboard once the revised chipsets are released.

 

[de5_Roy]

may be motherboard vendors can work around this by providing 3rd party usb 3.0 controller chips like the ones from asmedia or via. lynx point's usb 3.0 bug should make those guys very very happy. entry level users who may buy h81, b85 or h87 motherboards might be screwed.

 

[jaov2k]

Hello everyone. Long time reader, first time poster.

Current Setup:
Intel E6850
GA-EP45-UD3P
Gigabyte GTX 550 Ti
Corsair XMS2 800Mhz 2048Mb x2
OCZ Vertex 1.0 60GB x2 RAID 0 (Windows 7 Ultimate x64)
Maxtor 300GB (Apps and Data)

I currently backup to a USB Seagate 500GB on the WNDR3700 and have a Google Drive account with 25GB for the really important stuff like porn... >.>

Anyways. I've been contemplating upgrading for some time and passing the current setup to my folks (those whom technology has forgotten). They'll probably use it for skype, internet, youtube, blah blah blah... who knows... The pc runs very snappy for those kinds of things.

I've decided to make a push in the product design arena by investing in a CNC Mill for prototyping, in addition to acquiring a few of the Autodesk Product Design apps, including Autocad, Inventor and 3D Max. Needless to say, the PC's performance begins to fall apart shortly after beginning to work. I would like to remedy this situation as it is very frustrating to have a computer stall while in the middle of the creative process.

The reason I post in this thread is because I've determined the LGA2011 is the better product for my needs. My only objection to the LGA1155 series is that they come with built in intel graphics. Investing in a product that offers a feature that has no possibility of ever being utilized is a worse investment than one that has a feature that maybe utilized. By this I refer to the multiple cores of either processor. Some applications still do not use multiple cores to the full extend such as Inventor, I believe. In the future other apps may. Therefore the price difference is justified in that the LGA2011 has 50% more L3 cache, something that can be utilized asap, better overclocking, more cores (might be utilized?)...

I know I will be utilizing a separate video card in the new system, while disabling the inboard video (if possible). Paying for Intel graphics is like alimony; it just ain't right! There I can't sum up how I feel about the Intel HD stuff any better.

SO!! The question at hand is, should I get an 3930k, wait for IB-E or ugh... pay for alimony...? I know there's no immediate info on whether IB-E is going to be released. I welcome and appreciate comments or suggestions from those with inside info that's not on this thread or has some clever perspective on why the current SB-E is still viable or why I should commit to 5 years of HD4000 quietly mocking me from within the case.

Thanks guys! (and/or gals)...

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel to Fix USB 3.0 Issues of 8-Series Chipset in New Revision.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20130312004932_Intel_to_Fix_USB_3_0_Issues_of_8_Series_Chipset_in_New_Revision.html

Lenovo K900 Intel Clover Trail+ smartphone to be priced at just $480?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/lenovo-k900-intel-clover-trail-smartphone-to-be-priced-at-just-480-/19226.html

 

[de5_Roy]

tsmc's delay means intel to fab apple's a7 soc?
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30756-could-intel-land-apple-a7-chip-order?

Intel to Launch Core i “Haswell” Platform in “Cautious Volumes” Because of USB 3.0 Issues – Analyst.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130313235600_Intel_to_Launch_Core_i_Haswell_Platform_in_Cautious_Volumes_Because_of_USB_3_0_Issues_Analyst.html

 

[mayankleoboy1]

^ So expect even more pricey z87 mobos

 

[de5_Roy]

^ So expect even more pricey z87 mobos

yeah, seems likely. it's possible that intel wants to measure haswell's reception including the glicth while clearing out ivy bridge. looks like a minor trend - with every tock, the chipset has a glitch....
a conspiracy theorist's version: intel intentionally crippled usb 3.0 on the lynx point chipset. the glitch doesn't really kill anything, it's just an annoyance. by making the glitch widely public, intel can justify haswell's slow rollout and high launch prices so that they can clear out ivy bridge inventory fast while selling haswell in a shrinking pc market at a higher average selling price (asp).
people might still not care if rumors like higher cpu performance, bclk overclocking, better t.i.m., better cpu overclocking, power efficiency etc. turn out to be true. a Lot of people bought sandy bridge despite cougar point bug and the platform as a whole was a (rather big) sales success.

JEDEC to Discuss Wide I/O 2, LPDDR4 Standards at Conference.
Upcoming JEDEC Conference to Focus on Mobile Technologies
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20130316080548_JEDEC_to_Discuss_Wide_I_O_2_LPDDR4_Standards_at_Conference.html

 

[de5_Roy]

haswell, previewed by toms
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-performance,3461.html

ima start with the good crap -
new instruction supports really speed stuff up.
the hd4600 igpu 'won' the luxmark 2.0 bench against the trinity 7660d igpu, very easy to miss.
[strike]marginal, negligible[/strike] incremental cpu, igpu performance improvement.
preview says top of the line gt3 igpu can blow amd igpus out of water. we'll see.
haswell quadcore i5's will have easier time to keep up with 6-8 core amd cpus due to fma3 and avx 2 (haswell-ni) support as well as improved internal bandwidth. i know this sounds unlikely, but it's possible.
hd4600 seems to be available for all current skus. core i3 with gt2 will be easier to market against amd apus. gt3 will be even better but intel does not make biz. decisions that good.

bad crap -
usb 3.0 glitch with the chipset.
the e.s. used in the preview showed performance regressions in cases. in one of my fave benches, even - sandra memory bw.
if gt3 is that good, there no stopping intel from charging cutthroad prices for it. gt3 may become the core i7 3970x of the igpu market. typical of intel.
tsx has been screwed due to sku-ing, same with vt-d, igpu clockrate. just annoying.
i may be wrong, but haswell's igpu seems power inefficient. 7w higher tdp for just 4 more shaders?
softwares don't seem to be optimized for fma3, avx2 etc.
no word on how efficient haswell is, given it's so focussed on efficiency.
high prices cpus and high priced motherboards.
sidegrades, may be for even nehalem core i5 owners.
yawntastic.

 

[Ro2bin3son9]

We're considering it, yes. We also have alternatives to that for on-die GPUs. Stay tuned

 

[sarinaide]

Hearing now the i7 4770K will be around $50 more than the i7 3770k, that will make it a near $400 part, I am also assuming this will ripple through the product line so you will see $280 i5's and i3's getting perilously close to $200. This just doesn't sit well also knowing you need a new motherboard. Existing Sandy and Ivy owners shouldn't be at all interested in Haswell.

5-10% CPU performance.
10-20% iGPU performance.
Wait on the power numbers but I don't really see this as being anymore efficient than Ivy other than mature process, I think that fuddy duddy iGPU is sucking the life out of this one.

I still haven't seen whether HD4600 is carried through the SKU line up or whether washed down versions will come out to mitigate costs, I am inclined to believe tha latter or Intel will theoretically be losing money. GT3 remains the question here, twice as fast as HD4000 mobility, but on much higher costs, AMD richland kabini parts offered up to 60% over HD4000 mobility so in essence should see GT3 slower which will be very embarrasing if it works out like that. If GT3 doesn't destroy the mobility segment then haswell is a complete failure.


This weeks big winner was the on promotion A8 3850 which is looking very rosy that the "Beast" is a little like "magic pony". Though somehow I see Toms spinning this one up, using some benches where a $400 part can sort of keep up with a Devastator, ignore the ones where it gets a complete battering then call it adequate and how someone must go and buy a more expensive i3 with pissy graphics over a cheaper top end APU.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel Changes Plans: Set to Continue with Upgradeable LGA Platforms Even with Skylake Chips.
Intel to Continue Using LGA Packaging for Chips, Support Upgradeable Platforms Till at Least 2015
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130322155320_Intel_Changes_Plans_Set_to_Continue_with_Upgradeable_LGA_Platforms_Even_with_Skylake_Chips.html
Microsoft Windows “Blue” Update to Boost Ultrabooks Featuring Intel “Haswell” Chips.
Major Windows 8 Update to Bring Longer Battery Life to Next-Generation Notebooks
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20130322194848_Microsoft_Windows_Blue_Update_to_Boost_Ultrabooks_Featuring_Intel_Haswell_Chips.html

 

[sarinaide]

They will keep LGA for desktop, BGA will create the lock in effect which no DT owner will ever want.

 

[amdfangirl]

BGA is ok for SFF systems. It means they can be made smaller.

People who buy SFF systems are less likely to upgrade. They don't exactly use the fastest CPUs.

 

[sarinaide]

^ Very much so, AMD have been doing BGA for SFF for a while, it cuts costs considerably.

GT3 will also not happen for DT in my opinion because; DT parts already use much higher power, adding 128MB of L4 cache will just proliferate the power consumption, added to the power needed to drive that system. On notebooks you run lower clocks and power consumption, extra node space can be made denser and ultimately GT3 is less power than a NV or AMD discrete mobility part so it makes sense in that area, add the fact that gaming on mobiles is not really a good experience and most using a notebook for gaming will use it as a LAN system. I am still waiting on GT3 but if it is truely 2x HD4000m and the Richland E parts are 60% faster than HD4000m then Richland E will still be 15% faster than GT3, so for a LAN gamer the Richland part will deliver better performance at half the price.

Its nice and all that Intel are trying to make a iGPU for budget level but in honesty I am not sold on it. Intels iGPU's are getting massive, and not scaling well at all while becoming power hungry, AMD's iGPU is getting smaller, exponentially faster and consuming less power.

 

[amdfangirl]

It doesn't matter.

Intel's IGPs are going up in performance.

6 Years ago, if you asked someone if they could game on an IGP, they'd say no. But now, you can actually achieve something like 720p gaming med details. Intel has done a lot for PC gaming. The worst GPU is no longer a GMA 950 without T&L supporting some ancient stuff or a GPU that can't even support Aero but a semi-decent igp.

As such, you don't see so many games designed with GMA 950-level graphics in mind.

 

[sarinaide]

I suppose its getting better, and bigger and more power hungry and largely a distant second best.

GT3 is an endeavor to stop AMD and Nvidia eating into Intel profits on notebooks with discrete graphics. I don't believe it is equal to a GT650M which is albeit a weak 720P mobility part but that lends to the assumption that it was designed for 720 where the CPU can try shoulder the bulk load. Most people playing at 720P are more indie gamers in which case you don't need a $1200+ Haswell notebook to get by.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It doesn't matter.

Intel's IGPs are going up in performance.

6 Years ago, if you asked someone if they could game on an IGP, they'd say no. But now, you can actually achieve something like 720p gaming med details. Intel has done a lot for PC gaming. The worst GPU is no longer a GMA 950 without T&L supporting some ancient stuff or a GPU that can't even support Aero but a semi-decent igp.

As such, you don't see so many games designed with GMA 950-level graphics in mind.

3 or so years ago people thought I was insane saying they would be able to, now at this juncture, the good enough effect, and is what I see Intel trying to possibly achieve here may not really be good enough.
The market for gaming is going to fluctuate, with the new consoles coming, this moves the goalposts as to good enough.
The end game "level" for average Joe as to what games and how well they play on a given HW is still yet to be seen.
At some point, these two things will collide or dovert from one another.
The question is, will Intel continue if average Joe actually wants more, being that the new consoles affect means better HW?

 

[de5_Roy]

Hearing now the i7 4770K will be around $50 more than the i7 3770k, that will make it a near $400 part, I am also assuming this will ripple through the product line so you will see $280 i5's and i3's getting perilously close to $200. This just doesn't sit well also knowing you need a new motherboard. Existing Sandy and Ivy owners shouldn't be at all interested in Haswell.

most of these claims are partially debunked below. so much for fearmongering (which goes both ways...). still, it remains to be seen how high haswells will be priced when they actually launch.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013032401_Intel_Haswell_desktop_CPUs_are_available_for_pre-order.html

btw, if core i3's do go up to $200, amd won't sit still and sell their apus and quad cores at $110, they'll bump them up to $170-200, hex cores up to $230-260 since there won't be price competition (at $110-150) from intel. fx8xxx will go up to $300-360. it's just business. imagine how high amd cpus will hit if intel sells core i3's for $1000.

amd has already tried this trick with bd, but customers put amd in it's rightful place after seeing how bd really performs and because they could go with core i3 and i5 at a similar price. but, with significantly higher intel cpu prices, the customers won't have that chance, enabling amd to successfully raise their prices. it's not like via's suddenly gonna jump in and start competing against amd....

 

[sarinaide]

Well the list shows its pricing has gone up nevertheless.

I know that the top end Kaveri is buzzed at around $150 but on the flipside it is packing a truely beastly iGPU and a more efficient arch so it makes sense.

 

[de5_Roy]

Shark Bay 1-chip platform chipset is Premium
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30871-shark-bay-1-chip-platform-chipset-is-premium
hype of the year: Intel planning $599 Haswell Ultrabooks
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30870-intel-planning-$599-haswell-ultrabooks
i have a .... rather strong suspicion that it will be stuck at 'planning'...

Intel to Refresh Xeon Phi Coprocessor Line in Mid-2013.
Intel to Introduce Five New Knights Corner Models in the Middle of the Year
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130326050047_Intel_to_Refresh_Xeon_Phi_Coprocessor_Line_in_Mid_2013.html