Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[juanrga]

Confirmation that new i3 are 4c4t

 

[-Fran-]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

Cheers!

 

[goldstone77]

Confirmation that new i3 are 4c4t

So, I was right about that! Wonder if they are moving the i7's down as well. I guess we will see. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1581001/intel-future-chips-news-rumours-reviews/page-42.html#20026130

 

[goldstone77]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

Cheers!

I'm more curious about the $$$ price tag on these new processors!

 

[-Fran-]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

Cheers!

I'm more curious about the $$$ price tag on these new processors!

Price will reflect positioning more than monopoly pricing. Intel now doesn't have full reign on the mainstream and HEDT space, fortunately. That being said, I would imagine they'll be putting the new i7 where the current one is. If they charge more, they'll be telling AMD to seize an opportunity.(EDIT: damn fast typing!)

Plus, according to their own marketing slides, they don't expect the power characteristics of the first 10nm products to be better than the 14nm+/++, so that makes me think they'll have to lower the bar just a bit since they might be clocked a bit lower initially.

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

ST/MT performance

I'm more curious about the $$$ price tag on these new processors!

Similar to current line.

 

[goldstone77]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

ST/MT performance

I'm more curious about the $$$ price tag on these new processors!

Similar to current line.

If they pull off $250-350 for the 6 cores they will be in much better shape than they are in now in terms of price to performance competition until next generation Ryzen.

 

[juanrga]

I think it's more interesting to see how the % and the arrows link to each other.

ST/MT performance

I'm more curious about the $$$ price tag on these new processors!

Similar to current line.

If they pull off $250-350 for the 6 cores they will be in much better shape than they are in now in terms of price to performance competition until next generation Ryzen.

The 8700K is expected to be about $40 more than the 7700K. Expect heavy rebates on RyZen chips.

 

[-Fran-]

I would not be surprised AMD gets a Zen v1 "rev B" out the door in a couple of months time, much like they did with the venerable PhII 965 "C". After that, Zen v2 is for early 2019? Or was it when 7nm (or w/e) was ready?

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

I would not be surprised AMD gets a Zen v1 "rev B" out the door in a couple of months time, much like they did with the venerable PhII 965 "C".

Sure, and the Moon is made of cheese...

 

[juanrga]

Possible performance figures for the the two top i7s:

Cinebench 11.5 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 2.36
- Core i7-8700K: 2.57 (+8.9%)

Cinebench 11.5 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 10.4
- Core i7-8700K 16.72 (+60.8%)

Cinebench R15 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 200
- Core i7-8700K: 218 (+9%)

Cinebench R15 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 995
- Core i7-8700K: 1523 (+53%)

Passmark CPU Mark
- Core i7-7700K: 13.098
- Core i7-8700K: 20.020 (+52.9%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Single-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 5130
- Core i7-8700K: 5605 (+9.25%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Multi-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 18.702
- Core i7-8700K: 28.581 (+52.8%)

 

[-Fran-]

I would not be surprised AMD gets a Zen v1 "rev B" out the door in a couple of months time, much like they did with the venerable PhII 965 "C".

Sure, and the Moon is made of cheese...

Yes, just like the non-existent 6 core Zen!

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

I would not be surprised AMD gets a Zen v1 "rev B" out the door in a couple of months time, much like they did with the venerable PhII 965 "C".

Sure, and the Moon is made of cheese...

Yes, just like the non-existent 6 core Zen!

Or like that 8 core RyZen with IPC above KBL, 256bit FMAC units, that achieves 5GHz on air and cost $250...

 

[-Fran-]

I would not be surprised AMD gets a Zen v1 "rev B" out the door in a couple of months time, much like they did with the venerable PhII 965 "C".

Sure, and the Moon is made of cheese...

Yes, just like the non-existent 6 core Zen!

Or like that 8 core RyZen with IPC above KBL, 256bit FMAC units, that achieves 5GHz on air and cost $250...

Good thing I never justified that, uh?

Remember the "reasonable doubt" explanation I gave you?

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

i7 vs R7

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-amd_ryzen_7_1700x-706

 

[-Fran-]

4.7Ghz turbo? That is a huge jump from the base clock. Nice.

-> 8700K -> 2.57CB / 4.7Ghz = 0.5468085106382979 CB/Ghz (A)
-> 1700X -> 1.91CB / 3.8Ghz = 0.5026315789473684 CB/Ghz (B)

-> (A/B * 100) - 100 = 8.7891277709703 %

So it should be 8.8% better in CB-IPC given that simple math? I'm really bad at working the % differences, lol.

EDIT2:

-> 8700K -> 218 CB15 / 4.7Ghz = 46.38297872340426 CB15/Ghz (C)
-> 1700X -> 155 CB15 / 3.8Ghz = 40.78947368421053 CB15/Ghz (D)

-> (C/D * 100) -100 = 13.71310912834592 %

And it should be 13.7% better in CB15-IPC given that simple (again) math?

Cheers!

EDIT: Added "CB-" in front of IPC.

 

[goldstone77]

Intel Officially Reveals Post-8th Generation Core Architecture Code Name: Ice Lake, Built on 10nm+
by Ian Cutress on August 15, 2017 9:20 AM EST
"The Ice Lake processor family is a successor to the 8th generation Intel® Core™ processor family. These processors utilize Intel’s industry-leading 10 nm+ process technology."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus
Intel Processors and Chipsets by Platform Code Name
Processors and Chipsets
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/platform-codenames.html

 

[juanrga]

Although the source is comparing the i7-8700K to the R7-1700X, I compared it to the R7-1800X

- 14% higher IPC
- 34% higher ST
- 6% lower MT

Only 6% behind an AMD chip that has 33% moar cores is a fantastic technological achievement for Coffee Lake!

But those numbers are at stock settings. Considering that Intel will OC surely without problems to 4.5GHz, whereas RyZen hits a 4GHz wall. The above numbers have to be changed to

- 14% higher IPC
- 50% higher ST
- 6% higher MT

And the i7 is cheaper and comes with an iGPU as well...

 

[gamerk316]

Honestly, at this point? I'm planning on holding on to my 2600k until post-Core architecture. Which I figure will be when Intel moves to 7nm (since they kinda have to respond to AMD now). Of course, that's about 4 years from now...

Seriously, there's a chance my 2600k makes it a DECADE. :/

 

[-Fran-]

Honestly, at this point? I'm planning on holding on to my 2600k until post-Core architecture. Which I figure will be when Intel moves to 7nm (since they kinda have to respond to AMD now). Of course, that's about 4 years from now...

Seriously, there's a chance my 2600k makes it a DECADE. :/

I'm starting to think the same. Nothing comes close to it at 4.6Ghz that is actually worth upgrading to. Platform included, the Z77 has been a good chipset and doesn't really have anything to envy new platforms. M.2 would be the only thing, but then again, I have 2 HDDs in raid 0, 1 HDD for storage and 2 SSDs for game duty, so I don't see how much performance I can get out of a new platform (from either camp, mind you).

I might wait to see what Zen 2 brings to the table and how Intel answers to that.

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

 

[logainofhades]

Honestly, at this point? I'm planning on holding on to my 2600k until post-Core architecture. Which I figure will be when Intel moves to 7nm (since they kinda have to respond to AMD now). Of course, that's about 4 years from now...

Seriously, there's a chance my 2600k makes it a DECADE. :/

I'm starting to think the same. Nothing comes close to it at 4.6Ghz that is actually worth upgrading to. Platform included, the Z77 has been a good chipset and doesn't really have anything to envy new platforms. M.2 would be the only thing, but then again, I have 2 HDDs in raid 0, 1 HDD for storage and 2 SSDs for game duty, so I don't see how much performance I can get out of a new platform (from either camp, mind you).

I might wait to see what Zen 2 brings to the table and how Intel answers to that.

Cheers!

As long as you have a slot free, you could still do M.2 with a PCI-E adapter.

 

[-Fran-]

Honestly, at this point? I'm planning on holding on to my 2600k until post-Core architecture. Which I figure will be when Intel moves to 7nm (since they kinda have to respond to AMD now). Of course, that's about 4 years from now...

Seriously, there's a chance my 2600k makes it a DECADE. :/

I'm starting to think the same. Nothing comes close to it at 4.6Ghz that is actually worth upgrading to. Platform included, the Z77 has been a good chipset and doesn't really have anything to envy new platforms. M.2 would be the only thing, but then again, I have 2 HDDs in raid 0, 1 HDD for storage and 2 SSDs for game duty, so I don't see how much performance I can get out of a new platform (from either camp, mind you).

I might wait to see what Zen 2 brings to the table and how Intel answers to that.

Cheers!

As long as you have a slot free, you could still do M.2 with a PCI-E adapter.

That is true, but that would also mean taking PCIe lanes from the GPU, isn't it?

Cheers!

 

[logainofhades]

Pcie-e x4 slots should come from the chipset, I believe. The PCI-E x16 slots use the CPU lanes.

 

[-Fran-]

Pcie-e x4 slots should come from the chipset, I believe. The PCI-E x16 slots use the CPU lanes.

Even in the old Z77 chipset? I'll look it up, thanks. I wonder if it's even worth it, since if I do upgrade, the PCIe adapter will go the way of the dodo, haha.

Cheers!