Its an AMD world afterall

POPEGOLDX · Sep 3, 2003

rejoice

the HAMMER cometh

the PRESsHOTT burneth

muuahahahahahah

jmecor · Sep 3, 2003

It's AMD's time now. Northwood will die sooner, even soonest with prescott.

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jmecor · Sep 3, 2003

let's just wait for the release.

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RRAMJET · Sep 3, 2003

In the past AMD have let intel take the lead and have sat fair on their butt making sure intel dont drop the pace. This has given AMD the advantage of selling at a lower price and getting a hold of the market. Do you think AMD are going to go out in front of intel, i think they will, and this could be the downfall of intel as they attempt to sell us their budget line of celerons. The question is do intel have what it takes to keep a foothold in the face of AMD s inevitable dominance.

If he doesn't die, he'll get help!!!

jmecor · Sep 3, 2003

prescott's heat will surely kill intel next year.
And AMD must learn from Intel's mistakes in 90nm in their next core (SAN DIEGO).

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ChipDeath · Sep 3, 2003

ho hum... This is getting boring..

I reckon VIA will suddenly come up trumps with their new unannounced core design, which will run at 5Ghz and have 5x the IPC of an AXP.*

<pre>* statement as easily proved as all others on this topic, until the f&^$ing things are released</pre>

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Guest · Sep 3, 2003

True dat chip

Mephistopheles · Sep 3, 2003

This has given AMD the advantage of selling at a lower price and getting a hold of the market.

What?

I think you and I are on different planets. On mine, AMD has less than 20% of the market, and Intel has over 75%. This is not a hold on the market.

The question is do intel have what it takes to keep a foothold in the face of AMD s inevitable dominance.

This has to be a joke. If so, then... :lol:

:evil:

Mephistopheles

RobD · Sep 3, 2003

The guy lives in his own little AMD/Nvidia world. The twat.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that" - Bill Shankly

slvr_phoenix · Sep 3, 2003

It's An AMD World After All

It's a world of marketing, a world of lies;
It's a world of FUD where the rumor flies.
There's so much AMD learns from Apple's burns.
It's an AMD, AMD world.

Everybody sing along!
<pre>...and let us hope that Disney doesn't notice...</pre>
If you look The Devil® straight in the eye and only see yourself then you must be standing in front of a mirror.

ChipDeath · Sep 3, 2003

Aha! a man of many talents....
LOL :lol:

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slvr_phoenix · Sep 3, 2003

You know, I was thinking... All of this "The A64 kicks the P4s arse in X benchmark" is cool and all ... until one considers just how parallel AMD and Apple marketing have been lately and how 'honest' (and with Apple I use that term extremely loosely) Apple's G5 benchmarks have actually been when examined closely.

So then we get back to the point ... if AMD is indeed taking their marketing lessons from Apple then just how much can we trust the benchmarks that are out there right now? It truly could be an AMD world, as expressed in the above song. And then again maybe AMD is more honest than Apple. We'll just have to wait and see.

If you look The Devil® straight in the eye and only see yourself then you must be standing in front of a mirror.

ad_rach · Sep 3, 2003

The twat.

Some people spend way too much time on their putdowns when sometimes the shortest of phrases will suffice...nay,even say more than any essay.All credit to you,RobD.I am very happy to note that that lovely English word of ours is not banned on here.
Oh, and nice sig.Fellow Liverpool fan?

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]

RRAMJET · Sep 3, 2003

Robd i can just imagine you, some pretentious little spoilt boy, or man, who is so consumed with his own self importance it make everyone around him wonder if the world has a sense of humour. Such a sad sad soul it must be...

If he doesn't die, he'll get help!!!

RobD · Sep 3, 2003

LOL! Sorry, not a Liverpool fan, but a Birmingham fan, although I do have a certain affinity for the reds.

He's just trolling and is wasting a lot of people's time here who simply want to help people and pass on their knowledge to others. There are no rationale to his statements either. I've sat back and watched for a while in here and in the Graphics forum.

You never know, I may actually get back to helping folk again, whilst still posting in the Other.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that" - Bill Shankly

RobD · Sep 3, 2003

Why don't you try and post constructively? You might find people take things you say more seriously.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that" - Bill Shankly

ufo_warviper · Sep 4, 2003

.......It's a lame thread afterall! It's a lame thread after all! It's a lame thread afterall! It's a lame, lame, thread!!!!!!!!!

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

Groveling_Wyrm · Sep 4, 2003

I think you and I are on different planets. On mine, AMD has less than 20% of the market, and Intel has over 75%. This is not a hold on the market.

ROFLMAO!!!

Its amazing how some people think that AMD, with very little money, and serious cash/resource and management/PR issues within their own company, is going to take on, and easily defeat Chipzilla ...er...oops...Intel, which has enough money ON HAND to easily buy AMD out 5 times over, AND has a stranglehold on the CPU market. Like any BUSINESS...Money talks...BULLSH*T walks...

 Ok, so you have to put your "2 cents" in, but its value is only "A penny's worth". Who gets that extra penny?

jmecor · Sep 4, 2003

This just shows that AMD has a chance in making these 50% - 50%.

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slvr_phoenix · Sep 4, 2003

This just shows that AMD has a chance in making these 50% - 50%.

AMD had that chance in the past. For a good year straight at least they had that chance. Heck, at one point they had the chance to completely take the market from Intel. At one point AMD had held the 'performance crown' for a significant period of time and Intel had goofed a double-blunder of rushing their first P4 core to the market (which was a complete PoS at that time) and boffing up their 1.13GHz P3 release. On top of that Intel was pushing their customers into the highly-priced RDRAM while AMD stuck to the lower cost DDR SDRAM. AMD had every conceivable advantage while Intel was making mistake after mistake and was a veritable joke to enthusiasts.

So where is AMD now? Why is it that with soooooo many advantages then, AMD hardly gained any market share on Intel at all? It certainly wasn't Intel's superiority at the time. It certainly wasn't that Intel customers were happy customers. So why didn't AMD, with all of those advantages, take the market from Intel?

If the scales were so very tipped towards AMD then and they still couldn't even take a significant market share from Intel, what makes you think that AMD even has a smidgeon of a chance of taking any market share from Intel now? Fifty/fifty? Ha!

If I pick up a rock and throw it with all of my strength into the woods, what chance do I have of hitting the fox that stole a chicken from my grandpa's coop? Probability states that there is in fact a chance, albeit an incredibly small one. AMD taking 50% of the market? Same chance.

If you look The Devil® straight in the eye and only see yourself then you must be standing in front of a mirror.

shadus · Sep 4, 2003

> So why didn't AMD, with all of those advantages,
> take the market from Intel?

Because their board has a love for shooting themselves in the foot and not putting enough into advertising budget and marketing.

Shadus

slvr_phoenix · Sep 4, 2003

Because their board has a love for shooting themselves in the foot and not putting enough into advertising budget and marketing.

This is certainly part of the truth. There are also other significant factors. For example, even if AMD reached out and convinced 50% of x86 customers that they wanted to buy AMD products, just how many could? Production is a key factor here. AMD can't take a significant market share from Intel because even if customers wanted AMD products, they couldn't produce nearly enough CPUs to take that market share. That's the main reason why AMD had so much trouble breaking into the major OEM's product lines.

If you look The Devil® straight in the eye and only see yourself then you must be standing in front of a mirror.

shadus · Sep 4, 2003

Nod very true and unfortunate really, be nice if a third chip manufacturer sprung up to help fill up the arena for competition... I'd like to see intel loose about 35% more market share see amd gain a few percent and another company gain about 30%... but I dont see that happening anytime in the reasonably forseeable future. *sigh*

Shadus

spud · Sep 4, 2003

Dont know yer guys beef with Intel, just a damned company that markets better has more money and has friends in the big OEM's oh and has 13+ fabs 2 on the go last I checked.

Oh ya has the best chipsets of any manufacture, best support, best warrenty, and when you think about it best ideology make money and more money and some more money.

People that hate companies like that baffle me they are successful because they want to be not thinking they could be. AMD is ass backwards busines practices, monkey upper management, and bad hardware support leaves you to wounder why why on why are they in the situation they are in.

-Jeremy

:evil:

<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5341387" target="_new">Busting Sh@t Up!!!</A> :evil:

<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1400777" target="_new">Busting More Sh@t Up!!!</A> :evil:

slvr_phoenix · Sep 4, 2003

I have to say that I agree with a lot of sentiments just expressed. On one hand I'd like to see Intel face more serious competition. On the other hand AMD definately isn't doing a good job (as a company) to be that competition since Intel runs a solid business.

Which is why, I guess, that I'd rather prefer that AMD financially fail and have their intellectual property bought out by someone who actually knows how to produce and market CPUs and doesn't have management and shareholders who are afraid of actually spending money to make money. Ideally I personally would prefer IBM, though realisticly I've seen some good arguments for it to be HP instead. But it certainly would be the most interesting if it were nVidia.

Now that's a company that has thrown the industry quite a number of curve balls. I mean besides their graphics department having virtually rewritten what a graphics card should be, to then vault themselves into the mobo business using Microsoft to help them finance the shift and Intel to teach them how, and then to turn around and latch onto AMD instead of Intel and move in to become AMD's best chipset provider and taking the title away from the evil VIA in the process. Who'd 'a thunk it? Frankly I'm surprised that nVidia hasn't turned their onboard sound chip into a PCI card yet. They have the knowledge and it's a good enough sound chip.

So it'd be even weirder to see nVidia producing Athlons in the future. They would practically produce entire PCs then. Graphics, sound, northbridge, CPU... It'd be weird, but it could be very cool. And then again it could just be spreading their resources into too many markets.

Well anywho, I'm rambling now. But I guess the point is that I'd really like to see something in the industry change. Intel does business well so to give them any real competition (which would be nice) something has to change. Otherwise it's just a matter of time before New Intel goes back to being Old Intel.

If you look The Devil® straight in the eye and only see yourself then you must be standing in front of a mirror.

Its an AMD world afterall

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