Question It's like poor performance is chasing me...

[furius980]

I'll be as brief as possible.

A few months ago, I posted a thread asking for help with my PC's terrible performance, and after some in-depth research, we concluded it was a hardware issue, as my PC had a Chinese motherboard and a second-hand Xeon CPU. After upgrading (which happened just a month ago) to an i5 14th Gen and an MSI motherboard, the problem disappeared. However, the problem I complained about in the previous thread has just returned, exactly as it did with my old PC, and all after a couple of freezes that forced me to force shut down.
I'm tired of searching for solutions, but I don't want to think the worst yet (that my new CPU and MoBo burned out), so I implore you: What else can I try?

I'm really looking forward to your recommendations, and thanks for reading.

My PC:
Intel Core i5 14400f
MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4
x2 Corsair Vengeance 8GB 3000MHz
RTX 2060 OC 6GB
PSU ROG Strix 650W
NVMe 1TB Kingston
Liquid cooling AeroCool Mirage L120
Windows 11 Home x64

 

[DaleH]

I'll be as brief as possible.

A few months ago, I posted a thread asking for help with my PC's terrible performance, and after some in-depth research, we concluded it was a hardware issue, as my PC had a Chinese motherboard and a second-hand Xeon CPU. After upgrading (which happened just a month ago) to an i5 14th Gen and an MSI motherboard, the problem disappeared. However, the problem I complained about in the previous thread has just returned, exactly as it did with my old PC, and all after a couple of freezes that forced me to force shut down.
I'm tired of searching for solutions, but I don't want to think the worst yet (that my new CPU and MoBo burned out), so I implore you: What else can I try?

I'm really looking forward to your recommendations, and thanks for reading.

My PC:
Intel Core i5 14400f
MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4
x2 Corsair Vengeance 8GB 3000MHz
RTX 2060 OC 6GB
PSU ROG Strix 650W
NVMe 1TB Kingston
Liquid cooling AeroCool Mirage L120
Windows 11 Home x64

What was the problem in your previous thread?

 

[furius980]

What was the problem in your previous thread?

Wow, that was quick.

I'll send you the link (in a VERY long way): https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/what-is-wrong-with-my-pc.3853223/
But I'll summarize it for you. After several freezes and forced shutdowns, the PC's performance dropped dramatically, and even then the FPS it supposedly had was fake (for example: 80fps, but it looked like 40 or 50). That was fixed by buying new components, but I'm back to the same old thing and the cause is exactly the same.

 

[drivinfast247]

Fresh Windows install?

 

[furius980]

Fresh Windows install?

I already did a clean install of Win10 but there was no improvement, I even installed Win11 and changed the SSD from MBR to GPT hoping that was the problem but I didn't achieve anything either.

 

[dwd999]

You could use a program like HWiNFO to log the temps of your cpu, cpu package, vrm and motherboard to see what they look like when things go bad. With only a single 120mm size cpu cooler my 1st suspect would be inadequate cooling and possibly inadequate case ventilation.

 

[drivinfast247]

I already did a clean install of Win10 but there was no improvement, I even installed Win11 and changed the SSD from MBR to GPT hoping that was the problem but I didn't achieve anything either.

Was the same SSD used between builds?

 

[furius980]

You could use a program like HWiNFO to log the temps of your cpu, cpu package, vrm and motherboard to see what they look like when things go bad. With only a single 120mm size cpu cooler my 1st suspect would be inadequate cooling and possibly inadequate case ventilation.

I also thought so, however, I'm sure the temperatures aren't the problem since when I upgraded the CPU, I ran it with the stock Intel heatsink, and despite reaching 90°C under load, I didn't have these issues. Now, with liquid cooling, it doesn't go above 70°C under load.

The problem isn't the FPS itself, it's the way everything looks on my monitor. Despite, for example, having 120fps, I notice that when there's movement, it's not fluid, and all because of the crashes that forced me to force shutdown.

This was the cause of my problems on both PC configurations (see first 9 seconds):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXz24Hse0vM

 

[furius980]

Was the same SSD used between builds?

Yes, I used it before to swap out the HDD in my previous CPU+Mobo setup to test and see if that HDD was the problem (spoiler: it wasn't). That was about 6 months ago.

I ran the corresponding checks and everything was OK with the SSD.

 

[alceryes]

I also thought so, however, I'm sure the temperatures aren't the problem since when I upgraded the CPU, I ran it with the stock Intel heatsink, and despite reaching 90°C under load, I didn't have these issues. Now, with liquid cooling, it doesn't go above 70°C under load.

The problem isn't the FPS itself, it's the way everything looks on my monitor. Despite, for example, having 120fps, I notice that when there's movement, it's not fluid, and all because of the crashes that forced me to force shutdown.

This was the cause of my problems on both PC configurations (see first 9 seconds):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXz24Hse0vM

HWiNFO64 gives a whole host of other info too, outside of temps.
Run HWiNFO64 (sensors only, logging on) in the background for at least a half hour, while the performance issue occurs. Upload the log file somewhere we can get at it (without logging in) so we can have a look under the hood.

 

[stonecarver]

One thing not explored is program clashes.

You have same issue again with different parts.

Thinks of a wasps nest and a stick.

Leave the wasp nest alone and no issues but poke it with a stick and you get issues.

I would pay attention what two services or programs seem to be running the same time your issues pop up.

It's rare but when running XP games or some older programs on a newer Windows the way XP executed audio changed when we moved to Windows 7 and 10/11.

Windows will completely freak like video you posted

One solution is to run those programs in compatibility mode. It helps with keeping those iffy XP sound issued in there correct environment.

 

[furius980]

HWiNFO64 gives a whole host of other info too, outside of temps.
Run HWiNFO64 (sensors only, logging on) in the background for at least a half hour, while the performance issue occurs. Upload the log file somewhere we can get at it (without logging in) so we can have a look under the hood.

Okay, thanks for your input. I'll run the tests and upload the log so you can review it as soon as possible.
Oh, I forgot to mention that the PC case does have fans, 3 to be more specific.

 

[furius980]

One thing not explored is program clashes.

You have same issue again with different parts.

Thinks of a wasps nest and a stick.

Leave the wasp nest alone and no issues but poke it with a stick and you get issues.

I would pay attention what two services or programs seem to be running the same time your issues pop up.

It's rare but when running XP games or some older programs on a newer Windows the way XP executed audio changed when we moved to Windows 7 and 10/11.

Windows will completely freak like video you posted

One solution is to run those programs in compatibility mode. It helps with keeping those iffy XP sound issued in there correct environment.

I read your post while I was on the train, and you're so right about the program conflicts. It's worth noting that the video I attached to my post isn't mine; I only used it so you can see a graphic example of what caused my problems.

Yes, now that I think back to when I did a clean install of Win 11 and didn't install many programs, I even tried a shooter, which was fluid and smooth as silk. After installing all the programs I had before, I realized the problems started again.

Now I'll have to figure out what it is, if that's the problem...

But I still think it has to do with the crashes and forced shutdowns because everything started immediately after that.

 

[furius980]

Upload the log file somewhere we can get at it (without logging in) so we can have a look under the hood.

The weekend was a bit busy, haha. I just found some time to run the tests.

I'm sharing a drive folder with the two log files: one with the PC under stress and another with the PC in normal use.

I have a feeling the files will have normal measurements since the lag isn't lag per se. I have good FPS, but they don't look fluid, as if they lag when there's any movement/animation on the screen (even on the desktop or chrome lol). I think the GPU and monitor could be the culprits.

 

[dwd999]

I use the Macrium software to image my system drive. What I would recommend is that you image your drive after you add each program so that if problems start to appear you can go back to a prior image and verify that the problems disappear and that the new program is the culprit.

 

[TerryLaze]

Do you have any peripheral that you used again?!
This looks like it could be a driver issue and often the source is from rgb lights gaming mice or crap like that that uses hugely bloated software that often causes issue.

Also after hard crashes sometimes the bios decides to reset itself so have a look in the bios to see if anything changed there.

Did you already try this?! This can show you lag in your system and can give hints on what could be the issue.
https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

 

[alceryes]

The weekend was a bit busy, haha. I just found some time to run the tests.

I'm sharing a drive folder with the two log files: one with the PC under stress and another with the PC in normal use.

I have a feeling the files will have normal measurements since the lag isn't lag per se. I have good FPS, but they don't look fluid, as if they lag when there's any movement/animation on the screen (even on the desktop or chrome lol). I think the GPU and monitor could be the culprits.

You've got something going on with CPU power delivery. Check out the HWiNFO64 report starting at columns ET. It doesn't seem to be a temperature issue, just a power issue. Maybe some BIOS settings?