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Look, when I bought the initial titan x pascal, I heard nothing but ridicule from the wise masses of the internet. It's not worth it stick to the 1080 they said, Titan pascal is overpriced they said, yada yada, All the while for almost a full effing year I was enjoying beautiful 4k @ near 60 FPS at maximum settings for GTA5, 60+ FPS for the dice products and many other games while the original 1080 users were content to argue 1440p is all you need.
Then after almost a full year, all those wise masses of "experts" collectively put their 1080s on the shelf and jumped on the 1080Ti at that premium price, effectively spending way more than I did with my now almost 1 year old Titan.
Here we are, 2.5 years later, and we have disgruntled 1080Ti users mad that the new Ti is at 1200 bucks. Nvidia was being up front this time and offering up the Ti instead of postponing it for 8 months so that those desperate fools wouldn't buy a 2080 initially then turn around and buy a 2080Ti 10 months later (because: "duh, waiting for the price to go down/new card is the way to go").
And still some had the audacity to ridicule me for buying the original titan while they brag that their new 1080 Ti a year later was 5 percent faster and only 799. Really mr. 1080/1080Ti owner? SMH.
This is what the Tom's H article was trying to get at but did a terrible job at doing it. As for me, I was fully satisfied with my purchase of the original Titan pascal @1200 bucks and was very happy to spend 1200 again (got my money's worth with the titan) for the 2080Ti because I knew nvidia answers to stock owners and doesn't want to lose credibility by pricing a $1200 card that can't be backed up by performance.
It's clear to those that have done their homework that the 2080Ti will have at least a 50% avg performance increase over the 1080Ti. The CEO hinted this when he cited the 1080Ti Unreal techdemo performance somewhere around 30fps vs. the 2080Ti at 78fps (that's over 100% gain BTW) for the exact same demo and settings. Remember this infiltrator demo is not using ray tracing at all. So it's a safe bet to conservatively say at least a 50% gain. This is why the 2080 Ti is sold out now and will be for the next 3-4 months guaranteed (third party).?
Then after almost a full year, all those wise masses of "experts" collectively put their 1080s on the shelf and jumped on the 1080Ti at that premium price, effectively spending way more than I did with my now almost 1 year old Titan.
Here we are, 2.5 years later, and we have disgruntled 1080Ti users mad that the new Ti is at 1200 bucks. Nvidia was being up front this time and offering up the Ti instead of postponing it for 8 months so that those desperate fools wouldn't buy a 2080 initially then turn around and buy a 2080Ti 10 months later (because: "duh, waiting for the price to go down/new card is the way to go").
And still some had the audacity to ridicule me for buying the original titan while they brag that their new 1080 Ti a year later was 5 percent faster and only 799. Really mr. 1080/1080Ti owner? SMH.
This is what the Tom's H article was trying to get at but did a terrible job at doing it. As for me, I was fully satisfied with my purchase of the original Titan pascal @1200 bucks and was very happy to spend 1200 again (got my money's worth with the titan) for the 2080Ti because I knew nvidia answers to stock owners and doesn't want to lose credibility by pricing a $1200 card that can't be backed up by performance.
It's clear to those that have done their homework that the 2080Ti will have at least a 50% avg performance increase over the 1080Ti. The CEO hinted this when he cited the 1080Ti Unreal techdemo performance somewhere around 30fps vs. the 2080Ti at 78fps (that's over 100% gain BTW) for the exact same demo and settings. Remember this infiltrator demo is not using ray tracing at all. So it's a safe bet to conservatively say at least a 50% gain. This is why the 2080 Ti is sold out now and will be for the next 3-4 months guaranteed (third party).?
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...I still am very satisfied with my old Titan-X. I don't need lightning quick render times as I am not a content creator or animator. However I do need all the VRAM I can get as I create and render large high quality images.
If I could afford it, I'd be looking at a pair of RTX5000s and the two way NVLink to give me 32 GB of usable VRAM.
If I could afford it, I'd be looking at a pair of RTX5000s and the two way NVLink to give me 32 GB of usable VRAM.
The reason why the CEO harped on ray tracing at nauseum, and barely mentioned traditional performance gains is because clearly RT is going to take time to be optimized and those initial RT game benchmarks that will be released by 3rd parties are not going to look pretty bad compared to traditional non-RT 4k perfomance numbers.
This is why Nvidia is not going to focus on non-RT performance gains because it keeps making RT look bad in contrast (i.e. 1080p at best for decent FPS). Think about it. It's the only way Nvidia is going to get ray tracing off the ground.
But the performance gains are going to be there to justify the premium price regardless, so just chill the f out, hatemongers.
This is why Nvidia is not going to focus on non-RT performance gains because it keeps making RT look bad in contrast (i.e. 1080p at best for decent FPS). Think about it. It's the only way Nvidia is going to get ray tracing off the ground.
But the performance gains are going to be there to justify the premium price regardless, so just chill the f out, hatemongers.
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So, it is labelled as opinion, and he gave an opinion.
I don't think he should be fired for that, but I'd suggest he sticks to selecting articles and editing headlines over writing them - it's evidently outside of his talent pool. It's a very low grade article, and fairly billed as it is, not something I'd have celebrated as my best work, put it that way.
Oh, and in case you need some help with your job description, try hitting at least a few of these bullet points, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor-in-chief
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the most hillarious and at the same time lame article I've read since a long time...fire yourself
Please, don't pretense to tell me what I should buy. That absolutely is shilling. I tend to watch and read tech information a bit more in depth than articles like this. The RTX cards are not all that and a bag of chips. The 10 series wasn't everything Nvidia claimed either. They were however a big leap forward so no matter how much Nvidia lied, people bought the cards.
When Jensen Huang has to go on for over an hour about a "new way" to performance without actually saying a single thing of value, it's time to back away quickly and wait for more information.
When Jensen Huang has to go on for over an hour about a "new way" to performance without actually saying a single thing of value, it's time to back away quickly and wait for more information.
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Wow just wow. Poorest advice ever. You know Volkswagen is releasing a new car next month. We dont know what kind of car or how fast itll be. We dont know if its a sports car or an suv but we know it looks better. If you have any other volkswagen from last or 2 yers ago you just buy the new one.
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What ? Wait ... What ? What are you talking about ?? This article is no brainier . Absolute nonsense. We don't know anything reg these cards performance. Then how can you recommend it to people without knowing anything ... You know how game looks when you used to play 144 fps and come back to 60ps and 50ps (at 1080p Ray traced ) ? . No one what's to play like that. It makes no sense to chose reflectioand shadows in games over the framerate . No one gonna notice that while playing unless you record and play it in slow motion and sit and watch . Please just stop . You don't Know what you are talking about .!!
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Yes, then there's no need to review anything. Just buy the newest (high end) stuff when they come out. Why would you buy a 1440p 120 Hz monitor in 2018/2019? Buy the 4k 240 Hz! Why buy a 650 Watt Gold PSU in 2018/2019? Buy the 1500 Watt Titanium ones! Or why buy a cheap gaming mouse and KB when there's a 300++ ones? You only live once anyway, just buy the best and newest and never look back! VERY ILLUMINATING article about which PC Components to buy!
I came here because this "news article" was lampooned by a YouTube channel I watch. It did not disappoint.
Though to respond to the argument, especially using "Nvidia's own numbers" (helpfully debunked by Adored TV, who do great tech analysis btw) The benefits of owning the fastest graphics card in the world are bragging rights and better fps. In that order.
That said, as a man who owns a 1080ti, (engine limited, nothing I buy will make my game, [Skyrim] go much faster, 5% maybe, and will cost me $1500 just to stand still on more modern hardware.) I feel no compunction to pay for a 2080ti. "ooh shiny" yeah sure. but ray tracing isn't going to work on any game I have, and at it's heart, ray tracing is shadows, sure you get reflections, but we can do global illumination, volumetrics and caustics already, we've had them for years. Shadows however, shadows are hard. Good shadows harder and more computationally expensive. It's why we turn shadows off when we want better fps.
I suppose I can reasonably expect another 13-25% better performance, though how that helps me at 1080p where in any other game I get 60fps solid, I don't know. Hell I got 60fps in Witcher 3 with my R9 390, I only bought the 1080ti to take the card out of the equation. Because if you buy the fastest GPU in the world then you don't have to worry about whether the card is at fault. Every 1080ti is the same within 5% or so, only the cooling solutions differ.
Personally, given the glut of cards left over from mining, it makes more sense to me to to actually buy the 1080ti now, especially at anything like $500, and wait for the 2080ti to get cheaper. By the time the gaming landscape has moved on, then like the LCD screen, you too will be able to buy the 2080 on ebay.
Let's face it, ray tracing is only going to work with a small number of games, by which I mean a few genre's of game, mostly fully rendered 3D worlds. I don't need a ray traced muzzle flash when a cheap spirite will do. I god of the drop ship and shot the rock and marvelled at the bump map on the rock in the original Halo. That was a long time ago. Decent graphics are now table stakes, but only for a handful of AAA games, and those seem to be going the way of all flesh at present.
This is rarefied air we're breathing, at least as compared to the steam hardware survey. A few people will "just buy it" I go to coffee with two of them, they play pubg. for everyone else they'd be better off buying a cheaper 1070(ti) IMO
Good click bait though.
Though to respond to the argument, especially using "Nvidia's own numbers" (helpfully debunked by Adored TV, who do great tech analysis btw) The benefits of owning the fastest graphics card in the world are bragging rights and better fps. In that order.
That said, as a man who owns a 1080ti, (engine limited, nothing I buy will make my game, [Skyrim] go much faster, 5% maybe, and will cost me $1500 just to stand still on more modern hardware.) I feel no compunction to pay for a 2080ti. "ooh shiny" yeah sure. but ray tracing isn't going to work on any game I have, and at it's heart, ray tracing is shadows, sure you get reflections, but we can do global illumination, volumetrics and caustics already, we've had them for years. Shadows however, shadows are hard. Good shadows harder and more computationally expensive. It's why we turn shadows off when we want better fps.
I suppose I can reasonably expect another 13-25% better performance, though how that helps me at 1080p where in any other game I get 60fps solid, I don't know. Hell I got 60fps in Witcher 3 with my R9 390, I only bought the 1080ti to take the card out of the equation. Because if you buy the fastest GPU in the world then you don't have to worry about whether the card is at fault. Every 1080ti is the same within 5% or so, only the cooling solutions differ.
Personally, given the glut of cards left over from mining, it makes more sense to me to to actually buy the 1080ti now, especially at anything like $500, and wait for the 2080ti to get cheaper. By the time the gaming landscape has moved on, then like the LCD screen, you too will be able to buy the 2080 on ebay.
Let's face it, ray tracing is only going to work with a small number of games, by which I mean a few genre's of game, mostly fully rendered 3D worlds. I don't need a ray traced muzzle flash when a cheap spirite will do. I god of the drop ship and shot the rock and marvelled at the bump map on the rock in the original Halo. That was a long time ago. Decent graphics are now table stakes, but only for a handful of AAA games, and those seem to be going the way of all flesh at present.
This is rarefied air we're breathing, at least as compared to the steam hardware survey. A few people will "just buy it" I go to coffee with two of them, they play pubg. for everyone else they'd be better off buying a cheaper 1070(ti) IMO
Good click bait though.
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I have a Titan XP ray tracing is great... but I won't be buying a rev. 1.0 RTX card to take advantage of it. When ray tracing is supported in more games and the hardware hits rev. 2.0 I will upgrade, not before.
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>> "Listen I understand why people are upset and I understand $1200 is a lot of money for any consumer tech. But I look it at this way, we spend $1000 on a phone that maybe we use 1-2 years at best"
I think that spending $1000 on a new phone every 1 - 2 years puts you in a pretty exclusive club. I bought my Nexus 5 second hand in 2014 for $300 (Canadian), and it's still my phone and it had better be for years more.
I think that spending $1000 on a new phone every 1 - 2 years puts you in a pretty exclusive club. I bought my Nexus 5 second hand in 2014 for $300 (Canadian), and it's still my phone and it had better be for years more.
The RTX series really has shed light on fanboy "publications" and quality sites.
*MAYBE* you could argue this for the 2070 since AMD is still there to keep them in check. But really, this whole thing reeks of Nvidia greatly overselling what is a very minor upgrade. Nvidia has avoided every chance to honestly compare performance to last gen cards and I don't believe that's a coincidence.
Sure, ray tracing will be big some day, but don't expect many games to be adopting this so quickly. Don't buy Nvidia's claim that this is "automatic". It still will take work to light scenes properly with ray tracing and don't forget, developers are still going to have to be lighting everything the "old" way still for the 99% of people who didn't sell their kidney to ride the Nvidia hype train.
*MAYBE* you could argue this for the 2070 since AMD is still there to keep them in check. But really, this whole thing reeks of Nvidia greatly overselling what is a very minor upgrade. Nvidia has avoided every chance to honestly compare performance to last gen cards and I don't believe that's a coincidence.
Sure, ray tracing will be big some day, but don't expect many games to be adopting this so quickly. Don't buy Nvidia's claim that this is "automatic". It still will take work to light scenes properly with ray tracing and don't forget, developers are still going to have to be lighting everything the "old" way still for the 99% of people who didn't sell their kidney to ride the Nvidia hype train.
disagree with this post. IMO we need to wait till the cards are released, benchmarked and compared with the 10 series. i personally it waiting for the 2070 and by all the info that is there so far its better than the 1070 ti and most probably beats 1080 while drawing less power.
Most gamers can live without rtx for now. When this becomes more mainstream, the 3080 generation will be out. There is also the serious possibility that we will see a 7 nm refresh by the end of 2019. The devs of the new metro are trying to make the game run at 60Hz at 1080p! I plan to get a 4k monitor next year so this won't cut it.
I demand Avram Piltch to be fired right now. He clearly does not know what he is talking about, nor does he seem to understand how this sites business model works. It would be a desperate attempt to save Tom’s Hardware’s reputation but it would still be better than doing nothing.
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