Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money

[Rogue Leader]

I demand Avram Piltch to be fired right now. He clearly does not know what he is talking about, nor does he seem to understand how this sites business model works. It would be a desperate attempt to save Tom’s Hardware’s reputation but it would still be better than doing nothing.

Hi welcome to the Tom's team. When were you hired? What is your position here? Hope we can have a great working relationship.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

If the author meant to say that the 2070 will give the same performance as the 1080ti for the same price as a 1080ti (~500), he should have said it in a better way. Which would support the news[again, speculating] that the 2080ti is the perfect match for 4k 144hz.

The 1070 outperforms the 980ti, so I guess there might be some truth to that, but saying 'just buy it right now' is pure lunacy.

By the time the 2070 comes out, the reviews for 2080ti and 2080 would have been released, showing us the performance gains of Turing and hence a ballpark for the 2070 performance. So that's a moot point I guess?

For all of you telling TH is dead, just days before Derek posted a sensible buying guide about rtx cards. Also, visit our forum and see if it's the same or the real thing.

 

[username.sebi]

YOU MR ADAM, editor in chief, you are so wrong and so manipulating people now, that you should not continue writing such reviews my dear . You should know, that NO ONE wants to play a game below 60 fps on high details !!! All us us wants past 60fps at 1440 at least, with no lag, and perfect beautiful environmental scenes. It counts so so much they are dynamic and no sign of lag! With ''your Ray Tracing'' fanatical blind direction, you will have just very lagy and poor image qualities. If you like this its up to you, we won't join you sorry. So please just stop manipulating newbies about new tech stuff, and guess what, I can't wait to boy the RTX 2070 of course, best performance price option, and there will be no need for Ray Tracing activation, its more than enough video card for upcoming games (for daily user).
Thank you

 

[kareefh]

I am curious if this also effects AMD processors. Some of the vulnerabilities that this is connected to are not on AMD, and I know their implementation of SMT is different, but it doesn't sound like they tested AMD at all, no mention of AMD at all in the article. So far, it's looking like AMD has a huge opportunity in the data center with so many vulnerabilities being found on Intel, in addition to the other issues with 10nm etc. Add hyperthreading to that and you suddenly see why AmD is going in strong with 7nm epyc.

 

[scottyv]

I have been looking for articles on this subject from trusted Toms Hardware and this is what we get? You actually advise us to just buy this card without any real data? I get the performance I want with my 1080 TI and 1440P monitor. Why would I want to spend that kind of money on anything unproven or even tested yet? I expect more from Toms Hardware!

 

[Martell1977]

I am curious if this also effects AMD processors. Some of the vulnerabilities that this is connected to are not on AMD, and I know their implementation of SMT is different, but it doesn't sound like they tested AMD at all, no mention of AMD at all in the article. So far, it's looking like AMD has a huge opportunity in the data center with so many vulnerabilities being found on Intel, in addition to the other issues with 10nm etc. Add hyperthreading to that and you suddenly see why AmD is going in strong with 7nm epyc.

I think you posted in the wrong article...

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Tldr : read this https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wait-to-buy-nvidia-geforce-rtx-gpus,37673.html

 

[penguinjoe]

What happened to this site? Back when it was owned and operated by Tom Pabst we would actually get real hardware news and informed recommendations. Now I see this site shilling an overpriced, under-utilized video card. "Just buy it"??!! Are you serious? How much did Nvidia pay you guys to do this fluff piece of misinformation?

 

[Loadedaxe]

Is this guy for real?

I dont get that he thinks we should preorder before Toms themselves do a review. defeats the point of Toms Hardware eh?

 

[mdamaged]

You went full Trump...never go full Trump.

 

[usernamist]

I lost 20 IQ points and had a stroke just from reading this, thanks Avram!

 

[georgi.djukelov]

Avram is completely delusional. This article is a disgrace and he should be ashamed of it.

 

[jankerson]

Funny article.

1st... Never buy anything before you know what it will really do compared to existing cards.

2nd … We can already play at 4K with our GTX 1080Ti's without any issues.

3rd... I seriously doubt we need raytracing just yet, have to wait until more games come out and drivers are developed for this. Could be over the next few years.

 

[dublinslave0]

This article is a paid advertisement for NVIDA?

I know its not April fools day!

 

[jankerson]

Hi All,

Thanks for all your feedback. I really appreciate the passionate discussion. I wanted to say a few things here.

First, this story and other articles labeled "opinion," do not represent the opinion of Tom's Hardware as a whole or our staff and writers as a whole . They represent only the writer's view.

As many of you noticed (and I linked to), we published an article with exactly the opposite view (wait to buy) by Derek Forrest earlier this week. My goal was to provide a counterpoint so that our readers can read both arguments and decide for themselves.

On top of that, I want to offer some context for my view. In short, what I'm saying is that, if you need a video card this fall, you should get the latest technology. Yes, it helps to read expert reviews like the one we will publish closer to the release date. However, let's keep in mind that, with driver updates, these cards could be much more powerful in 6 months than they are when we test them.

If you already own a powerful GPU (like a GTX 1080) and can bear to wait a few more months, then by all means, delay your purchase. However, if you were already planning to upgrade from an old card or are building a new system from scratch in 2018, then (I think) it would be a mistake to spend good money on a high-end 10-series card like the GTX 1080 Ti. Yes, prices are dropping, but if you invest $600 or $650 in last-gen technology and then you want to catch up and get ray tracing support in 2019, you'll be spending quite a bit to upgrade the second time, even if the price of the RTX cards has dropped by that time.

So, even if you buy an RTX 2070, it's more future-proof than a GTX 1080 Ti.

Or we can wait and see what these new cards can actually do compared to the GTX 1080 and GTX 1080Ti. You know real benchmarks and gameplay comparing the cards.

Then decide if they are worth it or not, that is the smartest thing to actually do.

Those of us who already own GTX 1080's and especially GTX 1080Ti's will be more than fine for a good while as MOST games won't be updated and or new games aren't out yet etc.

Bottom line is you gave bad advice as preordering anything without actually seeing real reviews is always a bad idea.


I seriously doubt an RTX 2070 is more future proof than a GTX 1080Ti. The GTX 1080Ti's are a completely different card than the GTX 1080's, much more powerful.

 

[shpankey]

Wow... just WOW. Hard to believe this article. Really lost a lot of credibility w/ me after this one.

 

[danaj525]

Avram, So it looks like your an Nvidia shill trying to protect you investment like a good little dog Jensen Huang. How dare you tell people to just go buy something that hasn't even been tested. All that tells me is your scared that the backlash is going to hurt your stock. Not only that but you also decided to sh*t on your own employee for telling people to hold off on these cards. This smells of Nvidia paying you! I'm sorry but Tom's hardware has turned into a shill website for nvidia and intel it seems, you push misinformation and have become a joke of a tech website. I'll no longer use your site and will laugh and tell people who use this site they're being fooled. I'm sure most who have see this article if you can even call it that feel the same or just might be starting to. Congratulations on becoming a shill and starting to destroy Tom's Hardware. Still can't believe you sh*t on your own employee just do make a couple bucks. You're a FU*KING disgrace to the tech world! I won't be buying any Nvidia card for years now. Sick of then playing dirty and paying for crappy shills like you.

 

[geekinchief]

Again, thanks for the passionate discussion. Because I think there's been some misunderstanding about what I said (and meant), I made a few clarifications to the article copy.

1. Clarified that this is an op-ed (which is why it was always labeled as "opinion") and not the advice of Tom's Hardware as a whole. This article was intended as the counterpoint to Derrek Forrest's article, giving the opposite advice. It goes without saying that people will make up their own minds.

2. Clarified (graphs 2 + 3) my view that it is always best to wait for reviews before buying a product. However, for those who pre-order things sight unseen (and there are many), I wouldn't wait based on an expectation of price dropping. For others, if the final results are even half as good as promised,this is worth the premium.

Here's the TLDR;

* Nvidia RTX Cards appear to deliver a game-changing experience
* If you were planning to buy a new video card this fall, don't get a 10-series. It will be outdated when you buy it. Get an RTX instead.

* It's good to be an early adopter of new technology and that's part of what you're paying for.

*If you can't afford the upgrade or weren't planning to buy a video card anyway, maybe this isn't for you right now.

As a tech enthusiast, I will always come out on the side of adopting new platforms and architectures, whether that favors Nvidia, AMD, Intel or whomever.

 

[jankerson]

Again, thanks for the passionate discussion. Because I think there's been some misunderstanding about what I said (and meant), I made a few clarifications to the article copy.

1. Clarified that this is an op-ed (which is why it was always labeled as "opinion") and not the advice of Tom's Hardware as a whole. This article was intended as the counterpoint to Derrek Forrest's article, giving the opposite advice. It goes without saying that people will make up their own minds.

2. Clarified (graphs 2 + 3) my view that it is always best to wait for reviews before buying a product. However, for those who pre-order things sight unseen (and there are many), I wouldn't wait based on an expectation of price dropping. For others, if the final results are even half as good as promised,this is worth the premium.

Here's the TLDR;

* Nvidia RTX Cards appear to deliver a game-changing experience
* If you were planning to buy a new video card this fall, don't get a 10-series. It will be outdated when you buy it. Get an RTX instead.

* It's good to be an early adopter of new technology and that's part of what you're paying for.

*If you can't afford the upgrade or weren't planning to buy a video card anyway, maybe this isn't for you right now.

As a tech enthusiast, I will always come out on the side of adopting new platforms and architectures, whether that favors Nvidia, AMD, Intel or whomever.

Well the problem is nobody knows what the new cards will actually do compared to the current ones or if they are actually worth the upgrade.... Yet.

And if these new cards don't do what some think they will the GTX 1080Ti's will skyrocket in price almost overnight.

And those of us who own EVGA GTX 1080's and GTX 1080Ti's have the option to upgrade with their step up program if they aren't 3 months old yet. And they will get a partner card with better cooling etc.


So that is also something to think about.

 

[danaj525]

* Nvidia RTX Cards appear to deliver a game-changing experience - No it does not. So more lighting and shadows to kill performance. Maybe in a few years but not now.

* If you were planning to buy a new video card this fall, don't get a 10-series. It will be outdated when you buy it. Get an RTX instead. WRONG! People should take a 1080ti over these any day of the week. Around the same performance as the 2080 RTX and way cheaper. Get real!

* It's good to be an early adopter of new technology and that's part of what you're paying for. LOL, tell that to the the original xbox one owners.

*If you can't afford the upgrade or weren't planning to buy a video card anyway, maybe this isn't for you right now. Nice back pedal bro!

As a tech enthusiast, I will always come out on the side of adopting new platforms and architectures, whether that favors Nvidia, AMD, Intel or whomever. Pfff seen you guys back the fake CTS labs that was trying to tank AMD stock.

Not sure how you got your job and this article/opinion peace is garbage and smell like Nvidia money made its way over to your pocket. This site is now a joke to me and I'll no longer refer to it.

 

[scarfaceale]

Wow... Good thing I trust the forums a lot more than the main site. This article is not helpful at ALL for consumers

 

[robmel85]

I saw this article pop up in my google news feed...saw the title and didn't even bother clicking on it because the title alone is bad enough.

Then, the Gamers Nexus response video showed up in my news feed so I watched that. I'm glad I did because now I know that I will never visit this website for review information based solely on this article. While that may seem extreme, the utter stupidity, nonsensical, and contradictory tone of this article is equally, if not more, extreme.

I have to agree with Gamers Nexus that everyone should just buy components without your/Tom's Hardware's review/testing of components because your opinion is now, in my eyes, invalid. Please everyone, get your review information from somewhere else!

Why would you tell your user base to just buy things without them being tested/reviewed? That's EXACTLY what you do and how you make money...utter insanity.

That is, unless, you are being compensated so substantially from Nvidia to post something like this, that you don't care how many people no longer visit your site. I think this may have backfired by the comments section though.

While I have visited this website hundreds of times over the years, this is my 1st and last comment that will be made here. So long tom's hardware ?? (not even worthy of capitalization). Just another reason to primarily rely on awesome unbiased information from Gamer's Nexus.

 

[jeremymurphy2787]

This is a review site. You're making the argument to NOT wait for YOUR review and buy a product that hasn't proven to be worth the money. YOU counter and insult YOUR own employee by saying he doesn't understand the "value" of early adopting. This has got to be one of the weirdest articles I've ever seen from a tech site. Arguing for people to buy something without an unbiased performance review. Have to ask, what's in it for you? Do you have a lot of Nvidia stock? Why do you care whether I preorder something or not?

 

[jankerson]

I saw this article pop up in my google news feed...saw the title and didn't even bother clicking on it because the title alone is bad enough.

Then, the Gamers Nexus response video showed up in my news feed so I watched that. I'm glad I did because now I know that I will never visit this website for review information based solely on this article. While that may seem extreme, the utter stupidity, nonsensical, and contradictory tone of this article is equally, if not more, extreme.

I have to agree with Gamers Nexus that everyone should just buy components without your/Tom's Hardware's review/testing of components because your opinion is now, in my eyes, invalid. Please everyone, get your review information from somewhere else!

Why would you tell your user base to just buy things without them being tested/reviewed? That's EXACTLY what you do and how you make money...utter insanity.

That is, unless, you are being compensated so substantially from Nvidia to post something like this, that you don't care how many people no longer visit your site. I think this may have backfired by the comments section though.

While I have visited this website hundreds of times over the years, this is my 1st and last comment that will be made here. So long tom's hardware ?? (not even worthy of capitalization). Just another reason to primarily rely on awesome unbiased information from Gamer's Nexus.

NONE of the reviewers are actually completely unbiased, they all get paid.

Some are more honest than others and don't cook their results to show what they need them to show. Some others... Well not so much.

 

[jeremymurphy2787]

This is one of the weirdest articles I've ever read. A tech review site telling you to NOT WAIT for their unbiased performance review, go out and buy it now. Avram is literally arguing FOR preordering an unproven piece of new tech. ON a tech review site. Why? What's in it for him? Does he have Nvidia stock? I don't get it. You even call you OWN employee a "price-panicked pundit" and argue he doesn't understand the "value" of early adopting. Invalidating your own employees,kind of <removed> thing to do as boss.

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