Kinney, let's make a deal.

[kinney]

You switched teams yet again because nVidia is your cause at the moment. Aperently 6800 will run even better on nforce3-250. so to hell with intel go amd.

LOL I couldnt help myself here.
Ask any one of these guys how many times I've "switched sides" on NV.

I've ALWAYS been on NVs side, and have admitted that I do appreciate the R300 cored stuff.. my cousin who I recommended a $100 9600 Pro to is lovin it right now! I thoroughly enjoyed the performance my two 9800 NPs gave me.

I also appreciate the stability, cost and maturity the Intel platform offers at the moment.
As I've stated many times, but I'm sure you havent read because its apparant you do little actual READING in life.. when 939/NF3-250 and PCX are out I will be more than glad to buy that setup.. I stated that during that entire battle I had with you retards in the CPU forum.

I'm still on AMDs "team", and I'm a much wiser member of that team than you are.
You cant even grasp the market, what IT professionals like myself are centered on (platform maturity/cost).. your overall view is limited.

Much like those guys who think that the CPU that scores highest on the CPU performance bar charts gets defaulted the "best CPU in all cases", or in that threads case, best gaming CPU. Which is not true.
Typical benchmark obsessed kids..

That it for CPU talk in the GPU forum out of me.

This really is my last reply to your BS.

For anyone interested, here is the thread he brought <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=175469#175469" target="_new">up</A>.

You can clearly see me schooling those punk b*tches.
The best is the bottom part with the conversation between me and Endyen.. as he was the only one opposing me who has shown himself to think halfway clearly.

I let him get the last word, but I still disagree with his sentiment that max FPS= best gaming CPU.
I think that not being able to back up their conclusion that "Best gaming CPU choice= A64 Period." or elaborate on that idea is what truley shows the arguments (or lack of ones) flaws.

Nuff said.. the rest of your guys are smart enough to figure out this guy is a f'n idiot.

Go find someone your own IQ to argue with Darko, your outclassed here.
My advice? Get an education.
Then come back and try again.

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[darko21]

Re: You really are a waste of space. Everyone can see this.

Was it not me calling you a waste of space 2 days ago? Try thinking up something yourself.

Re: Oh really? He might think I'm a looser I dont know, I'll have to ask him. You illiterate tit.

Everyone KNOWS you are a looser this is not rocket science.

Re: First I'm not dragging anyone into it.

You brought him up trying to defend your weak argument. And that was really weak BTW.


Re: You just dont know what your talking about saying that I switched "sides" to piss off P4man.. so I had to inform you.


It's all explained in this
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=175779#175779" target="_new"> thread </A> but trust me I watched it play out so I know it's true. although I would not have started a thread to point something as obvious as that.

Re: You got schooled LB (thats LB for, LITTLE BITCH).

The show ain't over till the fat lady sings. and right now she's singing what a looser kinney is.


Re: You are much to far below me for me to waste my time with here. I wont be replying to you again.


We will see about that! and you WILL reply again cause I am going to make you.. cause I own you.


Re: Now walk on LB.


Please see above!





If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[kinney]

I think I've got a clearer picture of the situation now and in retrospect I probably shouldn't have backlashed at you like I did. My mistake, for what it's worth. In my defence, I was proceeding under an incorrect assumption.

I hope you believe that. You sounded pretty convicing that you thought otherwise before!

Don't get me wrong, I still think you're a subborn sonofabitch.

Thank you thank you.




I always thought like phial you were pretty clear on your posts and I was a bit troubled to see you call me out as a hypocrite...
I've seen you stand up to this forum on the 5900XT before people admitted it was a great option to the 9600s (I particularly remember you referring to it as a "bandwidth beast" or something to that extent).. of COURSE that kind of stuff is going to stick in my mind like my first time getting laid (well that might be a bit far, but 'sore thumb' just didnt fit any better).
I wish people referred to my posts as orgasmic experiences!

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[darko21]

Re: LOL I couldnt help myself here.
Ask any one of these guys how many times I've "switched sides" on NV.


That is one area you have been loyal no matter how crappy nVidia is was. BUT IDIOT if you read it properly you can clearly see I am talking intel amd.

Re: I've ALWAYS been on NVs side, and have admitted that I do appreciate the R300 cored stuff.. my cousin who I recommended a $100 9600 Pro to is lovin it right now! I thoroughly enjoyed the performance my two 9800 NPs gave me.

see above numb nuts.

Re: I also appreciate the stability, cost and maturity the Intel platform offers at the moment.
As I've stated many times, but I'm sure you havent read because its apparant you do little actual READING in life.. when 939/NF3-250 and PCX are out I will be more than glad to buy that setup.. I stated that during that entire battle I had with you retards in the CPU forum.

I don't want to get into a convesation with an idiot who dosent even have an opinion but name brand emotions. So STFU.

Re: I'm still on AMDs "team", and I'm a much wiser member of that team than you are.
You cant even grasp the market, what IT professionals like myself are centered on (platform maturity/cost).. your overall view is limited.

who cares what team you are on today. When I said the word team rarlier it was a joke. It's not a sports team you root for it's silicone nothging more don't get so personal with it.

Re: Much like those guys who think that the CPU that scores highest on the CPU performance bar charts gets defaulted the "best CPU in all cases", or in that threads case, best gaming CPU. Which is not true.
Typical benchmark obsessed kids..

Is there any point to that? at all..


Re: That it for CPU talk in the GPU forum out of me.


Thank god for that.

Re: This really is my last reply to your BS.


No its not! like I said earlier I am going to make you keep posting. Cause I own you.

Re: For anyone interested, here is the thread he brought up.

Why not show a link to the thread you brought up one week prior to that. You hypocrite.

Re: You can clearly see me schooling those punk b*tches.
The best is the bottom part with the conversation between me and Endyen.. as he was the only one opposing me who has shown himself to think halfway clearly.

The world is all wrong but I am right. except this one guy almosts agress with me so he is ok. BLAH BLAH BLAH


Re: I let him get the last word, but I still disagree with his sentiment that max FPS= best gaming CPU.
I think that not being able to back up their conclusion that "Best gaming CPU choice= A64 Period." or elaborate on that idea is what truley shows the arguments (or lack of ones) flaws.

That was nice of you seeing as you were wong again.

Re: Nuff said.. the rest of your guys are smart enough to figure out this guy is a f'n idiot.

What are you talking about? I have not even got warmed up yet. bring it on.


Re: Go find someone your own IQ to argue with Darko, your outclassed here.
My advice? Get an education.
Then come back and try again.

Do you even know what IQ means? outclassed? this comming from a guy who thought a ti4600 outclassed a 9700pro! get an education a child in kindergarten could outwit you! what does education have to do with it?

And like I said over and over. I aint going anywhere. But I will make you post again.










If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[Zoron]

I explained in my last post why. I've layed down the cash, I know more about ATI products than all the local ATI loyalists (and its clear who those people are) know about NV.

Hmmm... so you're telling me that despite dropping $500 on a vid card that I'm very happy with; I should drop another $500 on another vid card that I may or may not be happy with just to justify my opinion in your eyes?

That'll be the day, kinney.

You owned both. Congratulations. The only reason you owned both was because you weren't happy with the 9800 Pro you had. I bet if you had been happy with it, you wouldn't have purchased that nVidia card, now would you? Personally, I would have RMAed the card if it was defective and let ATi take care of the problem. After all, that's what warranty is for, right?

Why should your opinion be more valid than anyone else's? You base your opinion on personal experience... well HELLO, so do most of the rest of us. I'm not saying you didn't have issues, but since not EVERYONE has issues, you can't very well blame the manufacturer... as much as you love to. I have no qualms about recommeding ATi cards, as I haven't had any issues with them, and neither have my customers. If things change drastically with this new generation of cards, then I will also change my recommendations. However, since ATi's cards have yet to show up, I'll be holding off for a bit on making up my mind. Yes, the 6800 looks like a spectacular card... but I'm not ready to drop the kind of cash necessary to get one right now. If the R42x turns out to be a flop (which is highly unlikely), then I'll definately go with nVidia as my next card.

Am I loyal to ATi? Damn straight... and I will be for as long as they don't piss me off. One of the main reasons I started buying Matrox & ATi products was that they're Canadian companies... and I would like to see them succeed. That alone won't keep me from ever buying nVidia... but there has to be a very compelling reason for me to switch. Until I see ALL of the numbers... that won't be happening.


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[CaptainNemo]

Heh - so I'm a n00b/ATI fanboy/forum wrecker because I mock opinionated fanboys?

Yeah, right...

I don't post much (I lurk) because all I am interested in is the performance, reliability, and price of product X; If something is clearly better than something else, then I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it. I won't contribute to a Prescott bashing thread (no point), but I will recommend waiting for the revised version (or even a Northwood C) if someone has their heart set on a P4 (and posts/asks to that effect).

I have little patience with people who fly the flag for brand X, especially when they assume that their experience is universal. I've never had a GPU fail on me (and I've had several), but that doesn't mean I can attribute other people's failures to their incompetence.

I come to these forums for information about products and other people's experiences with products. Unfortunately, a recent plague of fanboys (especially in the CPU forum) has meant less information and more crap.

Until someone tests the 6800 & R42X, any opinions as to which is better are crap. The 6800 is great, but we won't know how good it is until it can compared to its competitors. Anyone with a brain knew that it was going to be better than what is currently available (R9800 etc.), so the performance of the 6800 is hardly a revelation.

You've already demonstrated that yer a numpty (kinney) by repeatedly succumbing to everyone else's flames. If you had any sense, you wouldn't post again until the 6800 is compared to the R42X. If the 6800 is better (and I suspect it will be), then you'll be able to rant and rave and no one will be able to disagree with you (even the supposed ATI fanboys). However, you have jumped the gun; therefore, you gain full membership of the AoS.


Axis of Stupid = coop, Kanavit, FUGGER, SoDNighthawk, and ninkey.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by captainnemo on 04/22/04 05:34 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[pauldh]

Wow, you guys are killing me here. Now I see what I miss when i'm too busy to keep up in the topics I've posted in. This topic started out fun, but IMO it sure deteriorated quickly.

I usually won't get involved in mud-fests, but I feel the need to respond here.

<I know paul thinks you are a looser but I will let him tell you that.>

Well, actually Kinney and I are friends. I do not think he is a loser. I also don't think you are a loser either, but right now this personally mud slinging between you two doesn't increase either of your status in my eyes. Now sure, I have argued with him even moreso than with you or P4Man(which you know is often ), but although he has frustrated me at times, we are actually on very good terms, which by the way started long before he came to realize P4's still have alot to offer, and not because he came to see that. Not sure why you assumed I was with you on that, but it isn't how I feel, despite the way we argue. And even though we are friends, we will still argue when we dissagree on a topic, but it isn't personal, it's just clashing views. I do think that his methods bring him grief here and I accept him as the forum warrior, a title I wouldn't enjoy holding myself. He comes in with two guns a-blazing, so it is expected that some people will feel threatened and shoot back at him. Anyway, I hope this make sense, I put it as briefly as I know how. LOL


<I have had a couple of pm's with paul myself. If he has a problem he should come out in the open and just say it because a couple of days ago he told me he has only every had 5 pm's in thgf's. **edit** 5 people>

Yeah, you corrected the number, it was 5 people and not 5 PM's total. Only reason I mentioned that number in the other post was to clarify that I don't turn to PM's often to carry on public discussions, and I don't use PM's to contradict (two face) what I say in public. Also, I wanted to put you at ease that no more PM's would come your way if that is what you wanted. Too bad, because I saw with Kinney common ground could be reached easier in PM's. In all though, Kinney and I took to argueing in private and over time came to understand where each other is coming from without subjecting everyone to read it and having to respond to everyone. So, Kinney is telling the truth, as him and I have PM'ed probably twice as much as I have with everyone else combined. I'm not sure about the part "if Paul has a problem" What was meant by that? Honestly beats me, but you are welcome to tell me why here or in PM. I don't have a problem that I can think of? It is a bit funny how Kinney, P4Man, and you clash so much, as you guys together account for almost all the arguements I have had here at THGC. What does that say about us? I guess we will meet again.

As you noticed, I didn't reply to you in that last post and therefore kept my word. I doubt I'll make that offer again as it wasn't easy to keep considering you sure took advantage of it (ya pain in the butt). No hard feelings on my side, I just didn't see it coming. doh. I was just a bit surprised you say 3 times that I NEVER recommend A64, when many times I have done just that. I don't wholeheartedly believe that they are the only great gaming option(Edit:like you guys do), and I am not thrilled by less than stellar reviews on the motherboards, but I have said if you want the fastest gaming system, A64 is the cpu to get if you can afford it. I hope you try to see what I am saying without taking any offense and jumping on the attack with a response. I meant it when I said we aren't that far apart. But it seems you still disagree. I'm ok with that if you are.

Anyway, I'll let you guys have your fun ripping on each other, but don't expect me to join in on either side. I am not here to trash people, but sure I do openely state opposing viewpoints when I feel it is appropriate, helpful, or necessary. I'm sure I'll meet both of you again in arguments someday, I just hope you guys know that I can dislike your point of view without dispising you guys as persons. After all, the fact that we all show up here in these forums leads me to think we share very similar interests. Why would I trash talk a fellow Geek just because he is clearly wrong? :lol:





ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 04/22/04 05:02 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[darko21]

Re: "if Paul has a problem" What was meant by that? Honestly beats me, but you are welcome to tell me why here or in PM. I don't have a problem that I can think of?

It was in regards to the very first thing I quoted kinney saying.
"""If you think that me realizing this, which actually was brought to me in an intelligent manor, something you are not capable of doing by Paul in PMs!"""

So kinney is under the impression or giving the impression that you think I cannot discuss things in an intelligent manor. Or did I miss something? I know I can get extremely hostile but it must be instigated by the other person for me to go there. I don't get hostile over differing opinions or if someone asks a question or makes a mistake. We are all here to learn.

The reason I asked no more PM's was because YOU took the first shot calling me and p4-man partial fanboys. Yet we consistantly recommend intel systems in the highend just not for a serious gamer. Your atitude for a serious gamer was buy the intel its good enough but if you absolutely must have a64 wait wait wait. I don't think you calling me a partial fanboy was reasonable nor do I think it was an intelligent manor in which to discuss things, considering I base my decision on what the user plans to do with the computer and don’t let personal preferences get in the way and cloud my decission just like anandtech. I think you know what I mean by that.



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In this forum, only kinney has no favorite sport.

Only he takes AMD/ATI/Intel/Nvidia as sports teams.

He's playing with us. Don't respond. Let him go back to his mom crying.

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[pauldh]

Actually, those were Kinney's words, not mine. I think he kind of gave me a compliment and slammed you in the same sentence. Our discussions had little if any talks of you in them. Anyway, hope that clarifies that misunderstanding. It explains alot to me since you think I said that. Not true though; So relax a bit.


The fact that you guys recommend P4's was news to me, because you seemed to enjoy talking them down and didn't agree with much of any of their strong points. I fully believed by the way you disregarded what I said and still went for the faster is better approach, that you are PARTIAL fanboys. But I will say, since our discussion ended, I have seen you and especially P4Man give some very fair advice both toward A64 and P4's. I was surprised by that because our runin's have usually been in the "I see no reason to buy intel forum" and in that other one where the guy was ready to buy a nice IS7/P4 until P4Man came in and convinced him A64 was the only way to go for games. That <font color=blue>if games then A64 else Intel fanboy</font color=blue> attitide ticks me off a bit as I feel performance and a few extra fps isn't the whole story at all. Of course it went south from there and the guy was ready to buy a IS7 and an A64 to get the both of both worlds.

Wow, that partial fanboy thing must have bugged you. Like I said, I call it like I see it, and based on what was said to me, that was a fair opinion. But, I again say, when talking to others not me, you seem more and more fair to Intels also. So I will try and pay more attention to all you say and not just what you say to attack P4's when games are mentioned. Again this shows we aren't that far apart. As for me saying A64 means defiantely wait wait wait, I think you blew that one out of proportion bigtime. Kinda like you took it as a persoanl attack. I do see waiting as being smart for people that can game fine now. But a few times I told people who want A64 now to go ahead and get one and they will be thrilled with the speed. If they want A64 I don't try to convince them not to go there. But you guys seem to push A64 to people who play games and want a P4C. I just also add I can't help them build one as I haven't yet tried a mobo/ram combo to be able to recommend them one. For that I leave it up to those who are steering people that direction as the clear best option.

I assume you and P4Man have had great success with A64 builds since you push them as being so great a platform and better than P4's for games. This is a correct assumption right? So once someone says they want an A64, there is no need for my advice anymore. AXP, P4C I can share loads of expereince to help them. A64 is up to you guys.


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[darko21]

Re: Actually, those were Kinney's words, not mine.

I should have known better.



Re: I think he kind of gave me a compliment and slammed you in the same sentence.

Maybe



Re: Our discussions had little if any talks of you in them. Anyway, hope that clarifies that misunderstanding.

Yes it does and thank you for clarifying.



Re: It explains a lot to me since you think I said that. Not true though; So relax a bit.

Personally I don't think I over reacted. If I had not reacted how many people would have read it as I did?



Re: The fact that you guys recommend P4's was news to me.

This is probably (you can check if you like) because every time we argued or disagreed the client wanted a gaming computer. If gamming is not a real issue why would I step in? you and many others are already recommending the p4 platform. The a64 has some advantages disadvantages outside of gamming but it's not enough to argue about and in many situations outside of gamming the p4 has a clear advantage. So I don't step in and ague about it. Even if a guy like kanavit wanted a gamming computer but just wanted Intel for the sake of it, that is ok by me. Nothing wrong with personal preference. BUT if a customer is not sure what is best and wants a gamming computer I step in (this is were we disagree)



Re: because you seemed to enjoy talking them down and didn't agree with much of any of their strong points.

I am not sure where you get this. Clearly Intel’s strong point is not gaming. No I don't enjoy putting Intel down. Intel has strengths a64 has strengths. and where Intel shines if that is the clients over all concern, Intel is the only way to go. I'll put it this way if someone was a casual gamer but also did lots of things like heavy mp3 conversion I would not really care what he bought. if he preferred Intel I'd say go for it. If he did not have a cpu preference I might say to convert a cd to mp3's will take 1.32 min's on an Intel cpu but 1.42 mins on the comparable (price) a64 cpu. But you will get an extra 4 fps in gamming on the a64. so judge by that.



Re: I fully believed by the way you disregarded what I said and still went for the faster is better approach, that you are PARTIAL fanboys.

Let s be clear on this point. I disagreed with you because I felt you were wrong. You have never built a64 system Correct? Most if not all review site like a64 over all and they have tested them extensively. I have pointed out many times that anandtech like a64 in the high-end gamming aside,, just a great high-end system. BUT in gamming you telling someone to wait for a64 to improve and I'd buy intel because the advantage of a64 not huge, reeks of fanboyism. but I do know how sensitive you are about being called a fanboy. So when you called me a partial fanboy for recommending a64 over Intel to a hardcore gamer I reacted.


Re: But I will say, since our discussion ended, I have seen you and especially P4Man give some very fair advice both toward A64 and P4's.


Yes go back and check we only argued in regards to a gamming computer.


Re: I was surprised by that because our runin's have usually been in the "I see no reason to buy intel forum"

That thread would be kinney it’s got his style all over it then 2 weeks later I see no reason to go amd cause p4man beat me up in the others thread. I may very well have argued with you in that thread... BUT I would never say I see no reason to go Intel.


Re: and in that other one where the guy was ready to buy a nice IS7/P4 until P4Man came in and convinced him A64 was the only way to go for games.


I am not sure of the exact thread but if the guy was a hardcore gamer then I'd say p4man did him a favor. If the guy had some kind of hard on for Intel then maybe p4man ruined his day but if he was looking for good advice I'd say p4man did him a solid.



Re: That if games then A64 else Intel fanboy attitide ticks me off a bit as I feel performance and a few extra fps isn't the whole story at all.


No its certainly not the whole story Intel don't support NX or cool and quite or future 64bit software. I do know review sites like anandtech think a64 is the best overall (in the high-end) performance stability price. Those are the most important issues performance stability and price. The fact a64 is clearly superior in games is huge to a hard core gamer.



Re: Of course it went south from there and the guy was ready to buy a IS7 and an A64 to get the both of both worlds.


So long as the guy is happy and was not mislead that is all I care about. and he was a hard core gamer was he not?



Re: Wow, that partial fanboy thing must have bugged you.


Yes it did I don't care for baseless accusations. Since you had previously explained how sensitive you are on the subject I took it even as a bigger insult. As you know full well what fanboy means.



Re: Like I said, I call it like I see it, and based on what was said to me, that was a fair opinion.


You might call it as you see it. BUT if you see it like that then you are blind. and even though I might believe you are a true fanboy I don't feel it's a fair thing to say as I believe you believe what you say. Unlike kinney the guy will lie to himself. EX: prior to 6800 all that matters is FPS PS 2.0 means nothing FPS is what matters. after 6800 rumor has it x800 pro will be faster (fps) then 6800 but will not support PS 3.0 ...at this news kinney now states all that matters is PS 3.0 fps is not a very big deal. That is a true fanboy deserving of the title.



Re: But, I again say, when talking to others not me,


Paul I to call it like I see it.



Re: you seem more and more fair to Intels also. So I will try and pay more attention to all you say and not just what you say to attack P4's when games are mentioned.


I don't attack p4's it's just silicone. BUT the benchies all seem to say a64 is the way to go for a hard core gamer.



Re: Again this shows we aren't that far apart.


If you still think I am a fanboy we are miles apart.



Re: As for me saying A64 means definitely wait wait wait, I think you blew that one out of proportion bigtime.


UMMMM... you always did as far as I know. I'm sure you only used the word wait once in a sentence but AFAIK you have always said wait or buy Intel for a gamer.



Re: Kinda like you took it as a persoanl attack.


Yeah I started reacting strongly, because I never ever saw you ever once recommend a64 to anyone for anything and the argument got tiring.



Re: I do see waiting as being smart for people that can game fine now.


I could not agree more if you do not need to upgrade then don't. Upgrade when you have to. Problem I had, was you were saying wait OR buy Intel now... when a64 is on the current platforms is better than what Intel has to offer a hard core gamer.


Re: But a few times I told people who want A64 now to go ahead and get one and they will be thrilled with the speed.


So what's better for a hard core gamer? AFAIK you only ever relented after p4man and I argued about it for 30 posts. Then you would try and convince a hard core gamer 2 days later to go Intel again.


If they want A64 I don't try to convince them not to go there.


Yes that is like me saying I don't try and convince someone who really wants Intel (because I would never do that). Even if a gamer and they want Intel let them have it. It's more us arguing among each other on whose advice is best.


Re: But you guys seem to push A64 to people who play games and want a P4C.


You gotta link I'd love to see that? Maybe he was thinking about Intel but wanted to know if he was making the right choice as a gamer I'd step in and voice an opinion. BUT if the guy pulled a kanavit and said I love Intel so can we deal with this brand of silicone I'd say so be it.


Re: I just also add I can't help them build one as I haven't yet tried a mobo/ram combo to be able to recommend them one.


Well that's really too bad. I have not built one either but I feel comfortable in review sites such as anandtech who test these things very extensively. So in going by reviews like that, I feel comfortable in recommending it.


Re: For that I leave it up to those who are steering people that direction as the clear best option.


Kind of like where anandtech recommended the a64 as the best in the high-end over the p4. Granted I don't feel its justified for all non hard core gamers but an option even if not a hard core gamer.


Re: I assume you and P4Man have had great success with A64 builds since you push them as being so great a platform and better than P4's for games.


I really can't speak for p4man. I don't really know him any better than you. I have never PMed him nor him me. Maybe he has built a64 maybe not you will have to ask him. BUT if he's like me the credible reviews are the way to judge a piece of silicone and it's platform.


Re: This is a correct assumption right?


I think the above explains it, I can not speak for p4man as I don't know.


Re: So once someone says they want an A64, there is no need for my advice anymore.


Not at all, I value you advice. I just strongly disagree with your gaming opinion. a64 as p4man and I support in hard core gaming is not for everyone.


Re: AXP, P4C I can share loads of expereince to help them. A64 is up to you guys.


a64 has its place the only cpu that should be banned would be the p4 celeron. Other than that they all have a place based on what the client intends to do with the computer.


Yes Paul I got my back up on the fanboy comment I thought it undeserved and unwarranted. BUT I am very willing to put it behind me.


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

To quote someone, type = [q u o t e ] paste text here [ / q u o t e ]
Without the spaces of course.

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[darko21]

I am all thumbs on a keyboard ((Re) should be good enough.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

Not that your typing to me, and I'm not trying to pick on you, but your post's are extremely difficult to read when you quote that way...

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[darko21]

personally I find it easier to read in that format. and way simpler to type. but then again I was looking for a joystick option in farcry so what do I know.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[darko21]

It took me like a half an hour to type all that BS out. If it's that hard to read I'll edit it and put all the qoute tags in. Just for you.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[pauldh]

Although I don't agree with everything you said, I must say that it was put together very well. I also seem to think you were very calm for this one. That was an arguement well worth reading; good job.

This isn't CPU's, so we should probably not keep this going here. But I have one quote for you. Like you I value what I read at Anandtech. But in the very last high-end system guide that you are refering to, did you read what was said about the Abit 875P mobo/P4C combo? It's a large quote, but I'll post it below. Note especially the part in red. SO why I don't argue A64 is the fastest gaming CPU, I still feel the P4C's make an excellent gaming system and is far superior in other areas. A few fps lower, but I honestly value the Intel 865pe/875p chipsets and mobos and to me they are worth more than a few extra fps. If A64 had a clean sweep in performance, not just some aps, I'd be more led to look at A64. And when the shortfalls of the current chipsets are worked out, I probably will build an A64 for anyone requesting the top gaming system. I even hear their is now finally an NF3-150 mobo with working AGP/PCI lock. That's a start. Now get it so they run flawlessly with Ram at SPD timings (not tweaked, but just SPD), and we are really talking.

Anandtech quotes:
"The highest-end version of Intel's Northwood core (the 3.4C) chosen here today came in a close second behind AMD's Athlon 64 3400+. Both offer virtually the same performance in today's applications depending on exactly which applications you use."

"Anyway, the ABIT IC7-G's mix of Gigabit Ethernet, SPDIF, 3 X IEEE 1394 FireWire ports, and Serial ATA RAID among other features, <font color=red>combined with the industry leading performance and stability of the Intel 875P chipset</font color=red> are the primary reasons why we choose ABIT's IC7-G. Another reason why we choose this motherboard for today's high end system is because we've tested virtually every high-end Pentium 4 motherboard in existence over the past 12 months, and to this day, we still can say confidently that the reliability and stability of this ABIT motherboard has been excellent. <font color=red>This exact motherboard is used in one of AnandTech's very own computer labs and I have personally built several high-end gaming systems centered on this motherboard. All in all, the performance, reliability and even the price are stellar."</font color=red>

Although yes, they pick A64 for games, does it sound like they think P4C is a bad choice? Neither do I. I hope you can read this without immediately thinking "but". I just wanted you to see that they praised the P4C bigtime too for many of the reasons I have stated. Max fps in 9 out of 10 games, you win with A64. But Intel still has alot to offer the enthusiast/overclocker/ and even gamer.

Yes Paul I got my back up on the fanboy comment I thought it undeserved and unwarranted. BUT I am very willing to put it behind me.

Ya, me too. That would be nice for now. I think our biggest arguements come down to is faster always better no matter what? Besides that again, it was a well written reply by you that deserved a line by line answer. But you know how long that would be coming from me. If you think that I owe you a line by line, I'll PM you one if you ask.



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[pauldh]

To GW and others, sorry that this off topic stuff got put into the graphics card forum. I would have PM'ed him instead if it were an option.

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[darko21]

Although I don't agree with everything you said, I must say that it was put together very well. I also seem to think you were very calm for this one. That was an arguement well worth reading; good job.

Thank you that was a lot of work and you know I hate long posts. And yes if someone is discussing something without calling me names or a liar or a fanboy I can be quite reasonable.

This isn't CPU's, so we should probably not keep this going here. But I have one quote for you. Like you I value what I read at Anandtech. But in the very last high-end system guide that you are refering to, did you read what was said about the Abit 875P mobo/P4C combo? It's a large quote, but I'll post it below. Note especially the part in red. SO why I don't argue A64 is the fastest gaming CPU, I still feel the P4C's make an excellent gaming system and is far superior in other areas. A few fps lower, but I honestly value the Intel 865pe/875p chipsets and mobos and to me they are worth more than a few extra fps. If A64 had a clean sweep in performance, not just some aps, I'd be more led to look at A64. And when the shortfalls of the current chipsets are worked out, I probably will build an A64 for anyone requesting the top gaming system. I even hear their is now finally an NF3-150 mobo with working AGP/PCI lock. That's a start. Now get it so they run flawlessly with Ram at SPD timings (not tweaked, but just SPD), and we are really talking.

Yes you are correct intel was their second pick in the high-end over all. Intel shines in many areas and that should not be over looked. but I will place a quote on their over all pick (gaming aside) and I am really glad to see you would now consider a64 for a gamer in the high-end. although personaly IMHO there are better choices out now than nforce150.. agp lock or not as agp lock is not a big issue as the a64 cpu don't really over clock very well to begin with unless you use vapochill or something like that.

anandtechs best over all pick in the high-end.
Anandtech quotes:
The ASUS K8V Deluxe offers several different advantages and features over other Socket 754 Athlon 64 motherboards that it makes it our recommendation today. First off, the K8V Deluxe's combined performance and price is superb; the K8T800 chipset's outstanding performance combined with features like Serial ATA (RAID), Gigabit Ethernet, IEEE 1394 FireWire, SPDIF, and IDE RAID, among other nice features makes the K8V Deluxe a great high end board for the price. Normally, we wouldn't place a great deal of emphasis on price for a high end system like this, assuming we're not talking over $200. However, for just under $140, it's truly amazing the number of cutting edge features that can fit on a motherboard these days. Of course, this is not to mention the renowned reliability of ASUS motherboards. Having tested the K8V Deluxe extensively, we can assure that you will indeed enjoy a reliable and trouble-free experience for the most part. Overclockers may be especially pleased with this motherboard if they delve into Athlon 64 territory.

Ya, me too. That would be nice for now. I think our biggest arguements come down to is faster always better no matter what? Besides that again, it was a well written reply by you that deserved a line by line answer. But you know how long that would be coming from me. If you think that I owe you a line by line, I'll PM you one if you ask.

Glad to see we are making some headway. and I don't agree faster is always better. I mean no matter how much you over clock a p4 it still don't have NX or cool and quite or future 64bit tech. But that stuff aint everything or the whole picture. Glad to see you liked the reply it was truly a ton of work. and yes I fully know you are capable of lengthy replies and I truly enjoy reading everyone of them, except maybe when you call me a fanboy. But I here by take back my don't ever pm me again, so long as we are not name calling.


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 04/23/04 02:13 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Vimp]

So close yet so far away. You just need to put a [ at the front of each quote, in addition to what you had, to make it work.

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[darko21]

You know what I fixed that like 20 secs after I posted it. And I did the whole quote thing just for GW 🙂

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

 

[pauldh]

anandtechs best over all pick in the high-end.

Agreed he spoke very highly about that motherboard and also said in games A64 is the one to get.

I am really glad to see you would now consider a64 for a gamer in the high-end. although personaly IMHO there are better choices out now than nforce150..

I have been considering one for ages. That's why I said I choose to wait on A64. I just have a hard time spending money on a system when the current motherboards have not been up to the standards that I value. I wouldn't buy an NF3-150, even the one that Anad just praised and says AGP/PCI lock works. It still bothers me that almost every A64 mobo that hits the review sites hands seem sto need a bios update or two right off the bat. K8T800 and NF#-150 have been our for way too long to still have all those issues. That's been my view.

Like I have said before the current A64's offer the most speed for gamers. But I still have wanted to see NF3-250 reviews on actual consumer mobos. That is where I would start considering A64 builds. Personally, I am waiting for socket 939 NF3-250gb because I think that is an advancement worth waiting for, and I have a P4-2.6C/IS7 and a Mobile XP2500+/NF7 system to game on, which to me are more than capable for some time to come.

Glad to see we are making some headway.

Yeah, me too. I am also glad that NF3-250 will soon be available in larger numbers. Give me the right customer and I'd be happy to try an A64 build if I see the experts fully recommend/praise an NF3-250 mobo as living upto expectations. If NF3-150 had been equal to NF3-250 like many review sites stated it should have been, you and I may never have argued at all about A64, as I would have probably agreed that they are the gamers best option.



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